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Dan was “allowed” to build his program because he built a ton of good will by being extremely competitive with a Tyson Lee lead team in year 1 and winning 9 games and beating Michigan in year 2. Mullen built this program. Leach is the beneficiary of that program and has done nothing to elevate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We lost to LSU and Kentucky because we refused to run the ball. So those “supposed” people were right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I don’t want us to be a run first team. Just run the damn ball 35% of the time and I’m good. When we do that, our offense is lights out.
To the defense of the "D" but our offense kept them on the field the whole second half and they were gassed......Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
This. It?s football not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
I think we can run anywhere between 0 and 100% as long as we are winning more than we lose. I place no arbitrary demandsQuote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Good. We know you’re okay with mediocrity as long as we are in a bowl game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Did you want Dan Mullen fired ever? I sure as hell didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
Some of you are over looking a historical fact. State doesn't have the same level of players the big boys do. Example isn't our total NIL less than what Bama's QB is getting. Correct me if I am wrong on that.
The same crew bitched about Mullen the entire time he was here too:Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
"Can't beat anyone not named Ole Miss" - 2009-2013
"Can't recruit" - entire tenure
Trust me, it doesn't matter who we get. When we don't win every game by 30 points they'll bitch about the next guy too.
Talent is a big issue. How many of our players start for another West team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Leach didn?t inherit Mullen?s program, he inherited the charred remains after Moorehead crashed the damn car and burned everything down, you remember it was basically inmates running an asylum for 2 years right? Leach had to clean that up and purge the problems?hence we have what we have, that was always going to effect us for a few years. I?m frustrated as hell with how things are but it?s much better than it could be, let the season play out and see where the chips fall. Leach can surprise and shock in both good and bad ways?maybe last night was a ?leach? game we somehow won?we are still due for the upset win that he tends to have?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
For those that think we should be more competitive with the top teams in our conference, please do the following:
Name some things that we do that compare well to the top teams in the conference.
Salaries, revenue, recruiting, things like that.
I have always been on the we overachieve currently with our resources. And I will always believe that. People come on here and say "We should be better"! But then they say well we suck and are inconsistent so I'm not coming. We are one of 3 or 4 teams in the conference not selling out home games when we are sitting at 6-3.
It took our AD leaving to get people to rally around NIL even though the website had been around for well over a month and was pinned at the top of this board. A bunch of folks bitch about not being better while we sit here and don't fill our stadium, don't donate more than $10-$15 a month to NIL, shit on every win we have; try to fire every head coach almost every year,
This fan base would make any sane person go crazy. We claim we want to be better while not doing things that make us better. Shut up and maybe try to enjoy this.
Plus this is year 2 for Leach since most of us agreed year 1 under Covid with all the ridiculousness wasn't actually a real year. So look at this through Year 2 glasses and not year 3 glasses. Lot of folks have moved that goalpost and forgot all about what happened to this program roughly 2 years ago.
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Originally Posted by CoachT14
We lost those games because Rogers had his head up his arse and the receivers didnt want to play. It has nothing to do with running the ball.
Conversely, you can't compare how absolutely abysmal the SEC east was during that time ..Mullen's success was predicated on winning non conference games against much weaker competition...(he wasn't required to schedule a power 5 non conference team like Leach does) and going 14-4 against the east during his tenure. So before you go singing Mullen's praises ....yeah the SEC west was great during his tenure...but how many of those great teams did he beat? During Mullen's tenure...he only won 3 games against teams that finished the season ranked....Leach did that last year aloneQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Here was the best one from the Mullen haters, most of whom love him now. "He wins 4 cream puff out of conference games, Vandy, Kentucky and occasionally Ole Miss. Loses to anyone with a pulse."Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption
Leach and Will. No need to separate blame here. Leach needs to coach better to get Will prepared. Will needs to get the lead out of his ass and help his OLine out here and there.
Also, it is becoming crystal flippin clear Will does not have what is required to win big in this or any system in the SEC. That is on Leach to get someone in there that can stretch the field a bit. 30 yard prayers down the sideline to RARA isn?t going to cut it. Not when all other teams we play have guys that can throw it 60. Imagine the amount of area teams would have to cover if our QB could uncork one 60 yards.
2009 we played ranked #13 Georgia Tech and East winner #3 Florida and a 7-6 KentuckyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
2010 we played and beat Georgia, Florida and Kentucky in the East.
2011 we played #19 Georgia (10 win team) and #9 South Carolina (11 win team)
It wasn't like we only had the cream puffs of the East those years either. 2009 we the most difficult schedule in the country. Again, especially 2010-3011, that was historically difficult in college football for 1 division.
What I am about to say , is the truth. This truth will hurt, some of you will not agree but many of you honestly will agree with this statement
The reason we are mad is not because we lost to kentucky
The reason we are mad is not because we lost to LSU
The reason we are mad is not because we lost to Alabama
The reason we are mad is not because we almost lost to a Auburn team that had about10+ coaches fired less than 7 days ago
The reason 99.9% of us are mad is because Miss State is 6-3 and Ole Miss is 8-1
We have lost back to back egg bowls and there is a 75% chance it becomes 3 in a row on thanksgiving
Ole Miss is the media darling and the come to the sip shit is annoying and we are also getting are ass handed to us in recruiting and on the field.
They had to completely rebuild their team from the ground up after losing the most starters in the SEC last year and they are 8-1 and there is a shot they will have a back to back 10 win season while we have back to back liberty bowl losses
I gurantee that half of us would not be as mad if ole miss was struggling to make a bowl game this year.
At the end of the , this is the most toxic rivalry in all of sports and it is not even close. We despise them AND ( yes you rebel landshark blackbears creeping) you despise us too.
I know what will happen if we lose on Thanksgiving again this year.
Do I think that is the best decision to do ? I honestly dont know but I know what will happen.
And thats all i gotta say about that
I think there's a lot of truth in this, and I just don't get it. Like, I don't want Ole Miss to be good, I want them to suck, but it's not really going to make a difference in my life if they are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
People sometimes post about how Ole Miss fans are going to give them hell about football and how hard that is, and I'm like, "A - grow thicker skin. And B - are you still in high school or something?" I know some Ole Miss fans, but no one is going to talk trash to me about the Egg Bowl, and I'm not going to talk trash if we win. And I've had a stranger come up to me unprompted to talk football like twice in my whole adult life, even when I wear MSU shirts out in public a lot.
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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I had a cookout yesterday with OM fans there, Yes those people are unbearable.
Talking about going to the effing playoff, destroying state etc etc
Im 28 so it gets a little wild in this age group .
This. This is that mentality that holds us back. I thought this offense gives us a chance? It doesn't. Its terrible. Most of us wanted the Mullen years to be a stepping stone in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
But another thing true is , both programs cant be great at the same time, one of them has to suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Putting 2 sec schools in the poorest state in America with A small size of USM and Jackson state alum not helping either out and the sizeable LSU and Alabama fanbases in our state makes it even worse
LSU on the other hand gets to dominate a state that is richer than Mississippi all by themselves.
I'm 55. The ole miss fans I know, they all know better. They know they aren't making playoffs or winning the SEC. And they know they "should" win the egg this year but nothing would surprise them.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
My buddies drunk OM fan neighbor got in my face yesterday when Auburn scored that touchdown lateQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I also returned the favor at the end of the game
Maybe I'm just a weird antisocial kind of guy (my real life personality doesn't really match my message board persona at all), but I just can't imagine that ever happening to me at age 35 in either direction. Like I went to the LSU game with a friend who cheers for them, but neither of us talked any smack before, during, or after the game, and he knew to just let me scowl and stew at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
However, if your experience is more typical, maybe that explains why I just don't put the same emphasis on the Egg Bowl as a lot of our posters do. I want to win it, probably the most of any game, but it's only a little more than "just another game" if we lose to me.
It hurts to lose that more than it feels good to win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
I'm 67 and my two best friends from boyhood are OM and we still live in the same town except when I moved away for work for 10 years. They hate State and know I feel the same about OM, (and I even have a second degree from there- confession made!). We talk sports and about both teams. They acknowledge their easy, early schedule and have been waiting for their bubble to burst beginning with the LSU game. Don't how they feel with the bama game yet with bama having issues. I don't care as much as I did in years past on how they do, just want us to be better. I think much of our fans' disgust is on how poorly we looked against LSU, KY, and now even AU in the second half, although a win. Most State fans I know have given up on a competitive game with bama.
And yet Ole Miss did it in 1 year. That is the difference. Lane Kiffen did it and is set to win 10 games two years in a row, playing almost the same schedule as US with an entirely new team via the transfer portal.
Apparently Leach just can?t coach.
I think OM with Matt Luke was like MSU with Croom - they had talent on the roster with a coach who had no clue how to use it. That can make a turn around much easier. Kiffin is benefitting from having NFL guys already on the roster just like Mullen benefited in 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
That being said - we know Cohen was holding us back on NIL. Did he have the same opinion on the portal as he did on NIL? At a bare minimum, our lack of NIL has kept us from getting players we need from the portal.
There is some truth into this but to counterQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Ole Miss lost the most Starters in the entire sec coming into this year
Thats why last year even after the egg bowl I was sure that We would be better than them because they simply lost both running backs, matt corral, multiple receivers, sam williams, 2 coordinators, a couple defensive backs.
They replaced all of that and seem to be better than we are, that is an amazing job by Lane Kiffin and not good for us
The main thing that is killing me outside of the actual games is the recruiting, Leach is getting whipped in in state recruiting where we use to do better than them in the state in that department.
We have 1 of the top 5 players in Mississippi Committed, 3 of the top 5 are committed to OM and another is a 50/50 game between us and OM
You can not win at Mississippi State without doing great in that department.
Well statistically it's been better than most of Dan's offenses and it's comparable to when Dak was here as far as PPG. So if Leach's offense is "terrible" you tell me what that made Dan's?Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
It helps having an easy schedule and Vanderbilt instead of Georgia.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikeDawg15
We'll see what happens as far as "Mississippi recruiting" goes.