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08-12-2022, 02:32 PM
QuadrupleOption

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, Dolla ain't Charles Cross but he's not getting pushed around a lot either.

I'm not as worried about that. He can still be pretty good and not be at Cross' level. Not many OL are.
08-12-2022, 02:36 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by QuadrupleOption

I'm not as worried about that. He can still be pretty good and not be at Cross' level. Not many OL are.

Exactly. Leach has always had pretty good OLs. He puts lot of emphasis on the OL position.
08-12-2022, 02:40 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, Dolla ain't Charles Cross but he's not getting pushed around a lot either.

Not worrired about DOlla getting pushed around. Just worried about people going around him. I thought he was on the interior precisely because he was not quick enough to handle OT.
08-12-2022, 02:44 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Not worrired about DOlla getting pushed around. Just worried about people going around him. I thought he was on the interior precisely because he was not quick enough to handle OT.

Evidently he's improved and it shows.
08-12-2022, 03:03 PM
confucius say

Either he has made the biggest one year jump we've seen from an OL in a while, or we are going to really struggle at LT.
08-12-2022, 03:17 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I didnt get alot of info- just said he was told the starting OL is set and its clear cut. Dolla Bill is the LT.

As a coach- that tells me our 6-8 guys needs reps and playing time for experience because they have got to develop and get better.

Did the person telling you this gush about how much better Dolla Bill has gotten?
08-12-2022, 09:26 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Did the person telling you this gush about how much better Dolla Bill has gotten?

Said they are seeing definite improvement but are still in "wait and see" mode. Part of the deal is that we are also worried about our pass rush from our front without having to bring to extra pressure. We do a good job of bringing pressure with extra people- but our front getting pressure without is suspect.

Bottom line- Dolla Bill is our guy. He worked hard and made improvement to be the guy. We shall see if he can handle it. He wont be Cross. Thats an unrealistic expectation. But we need him to be a solid LT. We'll see how much he has improved. It's a big factor for us in 2022
08-12-2022, 09:53 PM
Cowbell

I'm ready to see Jordan Davis healthy
08-12-2022, 09:55 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Said they are seeing definite improvement but are still in "wait and see" mode. Part of the deal is that we are also worried about our pass rush from our front without having to bring to extra pressure. We do a good job of bringing pressure with extra people- but our front getting pressure without is suspect.

Bottom line- Dolla Bill is our guy. He worked hard and made improvement to be the guy. We shall see if he can handle it. He wont be Cross. Thats an unrealistic expectation. But we need him to be a solid LT. We'll see how much he has improved. It's a big factor for us in 2022

My biggest question about this team is the depth for our O-Line. Very questionable.
08-13-2022, 06:23 AM
Dawgfan77

Dolla has been the most impressive OL at camp. From consistency to completely changed his body. Looks like an NFL guy.
Kam is gonna play RT and big Albert sliding to RG. Kam is just a good Olinemen.
I am Actually hearing that our pass rush has been improved, one thing is certain not many teams are gonna be able to run the ball on our front.
Again look forward us to be more comfortable running the ball this year
08-13-2022, 10:45 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Dolla has been the most impressive OL at camp. From consistency to completely changed his body. Looks like an NFL guy.
Kam is gonna play RT and big Albert sliding to RG. Kam is just a good Olinemen.
I am Actually hearing that our pass rush has been improved, one thing is certain not many teams are gonna be able to run the ball on our front.
Again look forward us to be more comfortable running the ball this year

Just having Jordan Davis back should help our pass rush immensely
08-13-2022, 11:14 AM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Either he has made the biggest one year jump we've seen from an OL in a while, or we are going to really struggle at LT.

We had a great LT last year and we still threw mostly 4-8 yard passes. Seems like Will should still have time for those even with a lesser talented LT. 😎
08-15-2022, 08:08 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Did the person telling you this gush about how much better Dolla Bill has gotten?

I remember giving up on Blaine Clausell but he eventually turned into a fairly decent tackle ... hold onto hope Dawg
08-15-2022, 08:59 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Yeah, Dolla ain't Charles Cross but he's not getting pushed around a lot either.

Getting pushed around doesn't worry me. What worries me is not getting left in the dust by somebody on their way to the QB.
08-15-2022, 09:44 AM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Getting pushed around doesn't worry me. What worries me is not getting left in the dust by somebody on their way to the QB.

That's why he's trimmed up and got an OL consultant in the off season. As long as we have an average LT we'll be okay.
08-15-2022, 09:55 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

I remember giving up on Blaine Clausell but he eventually turned into a fairly decent tackle ... hold onto hope Dawg

Yea, but Blaine showed pretty steady improvement each year and was pretty good by the time he was a RS Jr. If he hadn't had to play to early, people would have never thought of him as anything but a solid OT. Granted Dolla Bill wasn't bad as a guard last year, just seems like a big jump to go to LT. Maybe not as big of a jump for Leach's system than for most others.
08-15-2022, 10:06 AM
dawgman15

Wasn't Dolla Bill a high 4* recruit coming out of highschool? If so why would it be so hard for him to mature into what he was projected as
08-15-2022, 11:18 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

Wasn't Dolla Bill a high 4* recruit coming out of highschool? If so why would it be so hard for him to mature into what he was projected as

It's just late in the game for him to make a big jump. Usually, you see OL make a big jump after their first or second year on campus (and less often after three years) depending on what kind of shape they are in when they get here. Especially with some of the projects we take, it takes a couple or even three years on a college level S&C program along with better nutrition to either put on muscle if they are thin, or drop fat if they are overweight. (Dolla Bill came in needing to replace fat with muscle if I remember correctly.). But usually, if somebody has been on campus for four years, they don't make a big jump after that fourth year.

I'm also pessimistic because we had trouble at RT last year. If Dollar Bill was close to being able to be an SEC LT, you'd think that sometime after the 17th false start by Lashley in the first three games they would have tried something else at RT if we had anybody close to being serviceable. That's why I was hoping Reese would be a starting OT, because he was young enough that it was feasible he would be too bad to unseat Lashley last year but make a big enough jump in the off season to still be decent.

That said, if Dolla Bill's main problem was that he wasn't committed to conditioning the way he needed to be and that kept him from being quick enough to play OT, then it is possible that he matured late and made the commitment to get in better shape. But it's still not the norm to see that type of change coming after a RS JR year.
08-15-2022, 12:15 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

It's just late in the game for him to make a big jump. Usually, you see OL make a big jump after their first or second year on campus (and less often after three years) depending on what kind of shape they are in when they get here. Especially with some of the projects we take, it takes a couple or even three years on a college level S&C program along with better nutrition to either put on muscle if they are thin, or drop fat if they are overweight. (Dolla Bill came in needing to replace fat with muscle if I remember correctly.). But usually, if somebody has been on campus for four years, they don't make a big jump after that fourth year.

I'm also pessimistic because we had trouble at RT last year. If Dollar Bill was close to being able to be an SEC LT, you'd think that sometime after the 17th false start by Lashley in the first three games they would have tried something else at RT if we had anybody close to being serviceable. That's why I was hoping Reese would be a starting OT, because he was young enough that it was feasible he would be too bad to unseat Lashley last year but make a big enough jump in the off season to still be decent.

That said, if Dolla Bill's main problem was that he wasn't committed to conditioning the way he needed to be and that kept him from being quick enough to play OT, then it is possible that he matured late and made the commitment to get in better shape. But it's still not the norm to see that type of change coming after a RS JR year.

Dolla did fine in the first scrimmage. He will be a decent LT.
08-15-2022, 12:22 PM
Goldendawg

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Dolla did fine in the first scrimmage. He will be a decent LT.

"Decent" won't get it in our pass happy offense against fast SEC DE's. They will tee off with little respect for the run. Decent will mean an increased sack count and QB hurries. We kick off soon and time will. Hail State!
08-15-2022, 12:44 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

"Decent" won't get it in our pass happy offense against fast SEC DE's. They will tee off with little respect for the run. Decent will mean an increased sack count and QB hurries. We kick off soon and time will. Hail State!

He's not going to be a problem on the OL.
08-15-2022, 12:47 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

"Decent" won't get it in our pass happy offense against fast SEC DE's. They will tee off with little respect for the run. Decent will mean an increased sack count and QB hurries. We kick off soon and time will. Hail State!

Why the Pirate doesn't have a fullback and even a TE for certain situations is crazy IMO. It would at least make the defensive staff for our opponents have to spend a "minute or two" for preparing.
But too each their own! I sure hope 7 wins and anything above is gravy!
08-15-2022, 12:53 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

"Decent" won't get it in our pass happy offense against fast SEC DE's. They will tee off with little respect for the run. Decent will mean an increased sack count and QB hurries. We kick off soon and time will. Hail State!

So we gotta have a first rounder as a LT every season?

C'mon, guys.
08-15-2022, 01:32 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by basedog

Why the Pirate doesn't have a fullback and even a TE for certain situations is crazy IMO. It would at least make the defensive staff for our opponents have to spend a "minute or two" for preparing.
But too each their own! I sure hope 7 wins and anything above is gravy!

This is where I'm at. It's why any Tackle in this system that doesn't look bad is gonna be drafted high. They are on an island every single down. It's a handicap of the upmost proportions.
08-15-2022, 01:54 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

So we gotta have a first rounder as a LT every season?

C'mon, guys.

Definitely don't have to have a first rounder but I think any time our LT isn't at least on the NFL's radar, we are going to struggle. Just too many NFL quality DE's in the SEC that we're going to see a couple each year.

In 2021, we played 3 that got drafted in the 2022 draft (UK and Ole Miss each had a 2nd round DE, and then A&M had one in the 4th) and Will Anderson Jr. is getting hyped as a top ten draft pick in 2023 (although I guess he's technically a LB) and BJ Ojulari is a projected first rounder for 2023 and Derick Hall a projected 2nd rounder. Not sure if that's an outlier, but I suspect we're always going to play at least one or two teams with a game changer at DE. If those game changes are at Bama or UGA, it may not make a difference, but it could definitely swing an otherwise winnable game like at Ole Miss last year.
08-15-2022, 02:09 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

This is where I'm at. It's why any Tackle in this system that doesn't look bad is gonna be drafted high. They are on an island every single down. It's a handicap of the upmost proportions.

The Air Raid isn't built for the short yardage needed say 3rd and 4th down. It can be argued his Air Raid in the Red Zone playing in the Big 12 and Pac 12 was good (I have no idea). But the defenses in the Sec can be brutal to say the least. Good Coaches adjust and put wrinkles in, haven't seen this in the Air Raid. But I'm hopefully because many say we have the talent to win 9 games on ED anyway.
I don't dislike the Pirate, I just wish we would run the ball a little more and use a damn TE and fullback some!
08-15-2022, 03:12 PM
MrCoachKlein

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Definitely don't have to have a first rounder but I think any time our LT isn't at least on the NFL's radar, we are going to struggle. Just too many NFL quality DE's in the SEC that we're going to see a couple each year.

In 2021, we played 3 that got drafted in the 2022 draft (UK and Ole Miss each had a 2nd round DE, and then A&M had one in the 4th) and Will Anderson Jr. is getting hyped as a top ten draft pick in 2023 (although I guess he's technically a LB) and BJ Ojulari is a projected first rounder for 2023 and Derick Hall a projected 2nd rounder. Not sure if that's an outlier, but I suspect we're always going to play at least one or two teams with a game changer at DE. If those game changes are at Bama or UGA, it may not make a difference, but it could definitely swing an otherwise winnable game like at Ole Miss last year.

Give me 2 decent tackles over 1 top 10 pick and one turnstyle. Rebearsharks and Bama just had their best DE kill Lashley all game. I don't think Sam Williams went against Cross once in the battle for the golden egg. Will Anderson may have for a handful of snaps.
08-15-2022, 03:27 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

It's just late in the game for him to make a big jump. Usually, you see OL make a big jump after their first or second year on campus (and less often after three years) depending on what kind of shape they are in when they get here. Especially with some of the projects we take, it takes a couple or even three years on a college level S&C program along with better nutrition to either put on muscle if they are thin, or drop fat if they are overweight. (Dolla Bill came in needing to replace fat with muscle if I remember correctly.). But usually, if somebody has been on campus for four years, they don't make a big jump after that fourth year.

I'm also pessimistic because we had trouble at RT last year. If Dollar Bill was close to being able to be an SEC LT, you'd think that sometime after the 17th false start by Lashley in the first three games they would have tried something else at RT if we had anybody close to being serviceable. That's why I was hoping Reese would be a starting OT, because he was young enough that it was feasible he would be too bad to unseat Lashley last year but make a big enough jump in the off season to still be decent.

That said, if Dolla Bill's main problem was that he wasn't committed to conditioning the way he needed to be and that kept him from being quick enough to play OT, then it is possible that he matured late and made the commitment to get in better shape. But it's still not the norm to see that type of change coming after a RS JR year.

I think you have to factor in that he spent his first 2 years in the JoMo Lack of Accountability Club.
08-15-2022, 03:36 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think you have to factor in that he spent his first 2 years in the JoMo Lack of Accountability Club.

That's definitely a solid point. Boobie was in much better shape his last year because of getting in a competent S&C program. Wasn't really a maturity issue with him I don't think as much as just not knowing that him doing what was asked of him was insufficient.

Still feel like we should have seen a bigger difference last year after having 2020 with a real S&C program, but maybe 2020 screwed up their ability to really change the culture around S&C until spring 2021.
08-15-2022, 03:43 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

That's definitely a solid point. Boobie was in much better shape his last year because of getting in a competent S&C program. Wasn't really a maturity issue with him I don't think as much as just not knowing that him doing what was asked of him was insufficient.

Still feel like we should have seen a bigger difference last year after having 2020 with a real S&C program, but maybe 2020 screwed up their ability to really change the culture around S&C until spring 2021.

COVID screwed all of that up. Some of that shit was via Zoom.
08-15-2022, 04:16 PM
deltadawg63

Not defending this Leach or this offensive scheme but I recall Leach using more 2 split back sets later in the season. Hopefully, we will see more of that if certain OTs are struggling against good DEs...getting help from Johnson in the backfield.
08-15-2022, 06:02 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by basedog

The Air Raid isn't built for the short yardage needed say 3rd and 4th down. It can be argued his Air Raid in the Red Zone playing in the Big 12 and Pac 12 was good (I have no idea). But the defenses in the Sec can be brutal to say the least. Good Coaches adjust and put wrinkles in, haven't seen this in the Air Raid. But I'm hopefully because many say we have the talent to win 9 games on ED anyway.
I don't dislike the Pirate, I just wish we would run the ball a little more and use a damn TE and fullback some!

A top 10 tight end in this offense would make it deadly
08-15-2022, 06:20 PM
WhiskeyPirate

Leach did use a tight end one year at Tech, Bristol Olomua a 6-5 Samoan and he was pretty effective.

He likes to tinker, I wouldn’t be surprised if adds some wrinkles this year.
08-15-2022, 06:37 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate

Leach did use a tight end one year at Tech, Bristol Olomua a 6-5 Samoan and he was pretty effective.

He likes to tinker, I wouldn’t be surprised if adds some wrinkles this year.

he cut all of our TE's soon after arriving.
08-15-2022, 06:56 PM
BuckyIsAB****

Davis Wheat and Charlton are the best pass rushers with the most experience. They will get there. We are gonna bring the funk anyway so its not like it matters. Just our philosophy
08-15-2022, 07:22 PM
WhiskeyPirate

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

he cut all of our TE's soon after arriving.

So what

His offense doesn’t use a tight end.
08-16-2022, 12:51 AM
TaleofTwoDogs

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

So we gotta have a first rounder as a LT every season?

C'mon, guys.

No, but an All-SEC type is mandatory in the SEC West for success.
08-16-2022, 10:33 AM
Maroonthirteen

Leach uses some 20 personnel but it is never for the purpose of blocking. The backs always have a route to run. Doesn't matter if the other team has Lawrence Taylor... it's on the OT to block him.
08-16-2022, 11:20 AM
Maroonthirteen

It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.
08-16-2022, 01:23 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.

Yelp.

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