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03-23-2022, 02:34 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Tater

Ideally who would you have liked to see us recruit for this team with 5 scholarships left? I haven't seen many more DBs / OL worth pursuing. WR is always a need. Not sure though what could have been done better except delaying when we got our transfer commits?

An OL, CB, S, WR, & Rush End. We’ve offered less than 5 kids in the last 3 months. Kids have been signing & committing but we haven’t been aggressive enough. Corey Rucker WR from Arkansas St originally from MS is a perfect example.
03-23-2022, 02:35 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

That assumes we don't have anyone else transfer out before the first game - i think every SEC program should expect to lose 2-4 guys in August.

5 is still the max we can sign even if we lost 10 kids after spring.
03-23-2022, 02:35 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Does having 5 schollies left dictate portal work or lack thereof?

The lack of offers dictate lack of work.
03-23-2022, 02:36 PM
BayouDawg

Its not apples to apples comparing our transfer recruiting to ole miss. They are being very aggressive because they have no choice. They lost a lot of players and are going all in on the portal. It may pan out and yet it may not. Although I wish we would be more aggressive on the portal. But we dont have near the room they had. I expect it to pick back up after spring.
03-23-2022, 02:37 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I don't get how 8 regular season wins is too much to ask for next year in year 3 with especially with LSU having a complete rebuild, AU is in damn shambles and Arkansas lost a ton as well. Throw in the fact that the bears lost Corral who was responsible for at least 3 of their wins last year, I don't see how 8 wins is some type of miracle.

We should be favored against AU and Arkansas and I bet we will be under a 6 point dog against LSU, and my guess a pick em against Ole Miss. This is also making A&M a free shot for Leach at home. I'm not expecting that one, which is pretty generous.

8 regular season wins with everything we have returning is a good season. I think we should expect a good season in year 3 after dealing with some pretty shitty games the last two years.

8 regular season is certainly doable.
9 is possible.

But 9 regular season being the expectation is crazy talk.

7-5 is the baseline at a place that spends less than everybody in our division, if not the conference. ESpecially when our schedule is rated the toughest in America.
03-23-2022, 02:38 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I think fans get too caught up in number of wins. That's fine at Bama I guess. But one of my favorite years was Mullen's 1st year. We only went 5-7. But you could tell the brand of football and style of offense was going to work at MSU. We played hard every game. Nearly beat LSU. Beat Ole Miss by double digits. And didn't embarrass ourselves in any game. You could tell with a couple of good recruiting classes, we could have a special year. And of course we ended up having 3 or 4 special years including Mullen's 2nd season.

Dan averaged 7.1-4.9 here. Leach can do the same.
03-23-2022, 02:41 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

No one forgets that. Literally no one. But what we do see is that Lane and Ole Miss are working their asses off in recruiting the portal to do everything they can to set themselves up for success. Can you say the same about Leach and our staff?

Lane ain't working crap. Just shows up for the photo op and posts a rented Porsche on Twitter. He's open about that too. He hates recruiting about like Hevesy. Talk to HS coaches.

He has a GM running that side of things. Same way leach does. And I'm fine with it honestly.
03-23-2022, 02:43 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

It seems that we sloughed off sometime after getting the CB from Bama in the boat. We got out worked on the OT from W Kentucky that ended up at Ole Miss.

We signed Lewis.
Though i think I'd rather have the OT from western ky
03-23-2022, 02:48 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dan averaged 7.1-4.9 here. Leach can do the same.

Again, I don't get caught up in number of wins. There are too many variables such as non-conference SOS, East opponent, how good are the West teams in any given year. Leach is never going to totally shit the bed in a season. We run a ball control offense. And he reps the hell out of the same plays over and over. I can live with a 6-6 season every now and then if I have confidence that 9-3 is right around the corner. I always felt Jackie Sherrill was one good QB or one good recruiting class away from winning the West. (which he eventually did)

I don't feel that way with Leach. In today's world, you have to embrace the portal. You have to embrace NIL. You have to support your players (such as not playing in a bowl game). You have to get to know your players on a personal level.You have to be passionate about recruiting . (see Nick Saban, but also Shane Beamer, Josh Heupel, and Sam Pittman) These are all off the field things that Leach just doesn't do. On the field, there are a number of issues as well.
03-23-2022, 02:53 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The lack of offers dictate lack of work.

^^^^^^^^
03-23-2022, 02:57 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg

Who is in there at positions of need that we could get?

There are legitimate things to criticize Leach about, like not attending pro day, I just don't think his use of the portal is one of them.

It seems that we sloughed off sometime after getting the CB from Bama in the boat. We got out worked on the OT from W Kentucky that ended up at Ole Miss.
03-23-2022, 02:59 PM
calidawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Lane ain't working crap. Just shows up for the photo op and posts a rented Porsche on Twitter. He's open about that too. He hates recruiting about like Hevesy. Talk to HS coaches.

He has a GM running that side of things. Same way leach does. And I'm fine with it honestly.

What you're saying makes sense in theory, but it doesn't work that way in reality. When the guy at the top is lackadaisical or uncaring about a particular area of the business (in this case recruiting) it trickles down to the rest. OM has a much stronger foundation in recruiting within their culture, but eventually Lane's lack of effort toward it will come to hurt them too.
03-23-2022, 03:20 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by calidawg

What you're saying makes sense in theory, but it doesn't work that way in reality. When the guy at the top is lackadaisical or uncaring about a particular area of the business (in this case recruiting) it trickles down to the rest. OM has a much stronger foundation in recruiting within their culture, but eventually Lane's lack of effort toward it will come to hurt them too.

Lane's lazy. He hated all the meetings and check ins they had at Bama. Lane has a general manager under him that deals with a lot of day to day shit. Bo Bounds covered this on his show a couple of weeks ago. Lane is about as hands on as Mike Leach. But this is modern college football now. The days of head coaches grinding it 18 hours a day are over. A lot of that is due to social media.
03-23-2022, 03:40 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by calidawg

What you're saying makes sense in theory, but it doesn't work that way in reality. When the guy at the top is lackadaisical or uncaring about a particular area of the business (in this case recruiting) it trickles down to the rest. OM has a much stronger foundation in recruiting within their culture, but eventually Lane's lack of effort toward it will come to hurt them too.

It very well may. He is entirely dependent on transfer portal kids this year or he is staring 5-7 in the face.

We beat them head to head on Clayton, Lewis, Nicholson, Williams in December. Went 4-0 in kids we were head to head to them with. Clean sweep. But this thread read as though they are dominating us in recruiting.
03-23-2022, 03:54 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Dan averaged 7.1-4.9 here. Leach can do the same.

Mullen last 4 years he avg 8.5 wins & we had 3 9 win seasons in those 4. That’s what we need from Leach & what we were sold with Leach. That’s why this season is so important. We return more production than any SEC school. We return like 17 starters. If he doesn’t win 8-9 games this season he won’t for a while. 2023 we’ll be replacing the entire defense. 2024 we’ll be replacing damn near the entire offense. It’s now or maybe never this season. He needs to get it done.
03-23-2022, 03:55 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The lack of offers dictate lack of work.

So we are set and no need to improve. Good to know. Ever thought about running for office? You'd be good.
03-23-2022, 04:03 PM
Eric Nies Grind Time

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen last 4 years he avg 8.5 wins & we had 3 9 win seasons in those 4. That’s what we need from Leach & what we were sold with Leach. That’s why this season is so important. We return more production than any SEC school. We return like 17 starters. If he doesn’t win 8-9 games this season he won’t for a while. 2023 we’ll be replacing the entire defense. 2024 we’ll be replacing damn near the entire offense. It’s now or maybe never this season. He needs to get it done.

Don't worry baw. We are winning the west this season.
03-23-2022, 04:07 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen last 4 years he avg 8.5 wins & we had 3 9 win seasons in those 4. That’s what we need from Leach & what we were sold with Leach. That’s why this season is so important. We return more production than any SEC school. We return like 17 starters. If he doesn’t win 8-9 games this season he won’t for a while. 2023 we’ll be replacing the entire defense. 2024 we’ll be replacing damn near the entire offense. It’s now or maybe never this season. He needs to get it done.

I've been patient with Leach. My patience will run out if we win less than 8 games. Year three I want to see a well oiled offense w/ a salty defense.
03-23-2022, 04:37 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen last 4 years he avg 8.5 wins & we had 3 9 win seasons in those 4. That’s what we need from Leach & what we were sold with Leach. That’s why this season is so important. We return more production than any SEC school. We return like 17 starters. If he doesn’t win 8-9 games this season he won’t for a while. 2023 we’ll be replacing the entire defense. 2024 we’ll be replacing damn near the entire offense. It’s now or maybe never this season. He needs to get it done.

Imagine the talk if we get off on a slow or bad start. 8 to 9 wins is gonna be tough, hopefully our special teams are vastly improved.
03-23-2022, 04:48 PM
Bothrops

Judging from the last game I'm not expecting a well oiled offense, at least not right away. I expect a rollercoaster with the offense.
03-23-2022, 05:49 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Judging from the last game I'm not expecting a well oiled offense, at least not right away. I expect a rollercoaster with the offense.

The majority of the offense this is their 3rd year starting or playing a ton. Not being good right away won’t fly. You have a 3rd year starter at QB. Both RB’s are basically 3rd year starters. Williams & Walley 3rd year starters. Calvin knows the offense better than anybody on the team. This is Tulu 3rd year in the system & he started half the season last year. RaRa was a Freshman All SEC. Cole Smith, Kam Jones, Dollar, & Sharp all have a ton of starts. There are literally no excuses. Nobody in the SEC is returning that much experience. The defense is exactly the same. We lost 2 & a half defensive starters. Emerson, Green, & the half is Brule.

Tell me again why we shouldn’t expect 8-9 wins this season?
03-23-2022, 05:59 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The majority of the offense this is their 3rd year starting or playing a ton. Not being good right away won’t fly. You have a 3rd year starter at QB. Both RB’s are basically 3rd year starters. Williams & Walley 3rd year starters. Calvin knows the offense better than anybody on the team. This is Tulu 3rd year in the system & he started half the season last year. RaRa was a Freshman All SEC. Cole Smith, Kam Jones, Dollar, & Sharp all have a ton of starts. There are literally no excuses. Nobody in the SEC is returning that much experience. The defense is exactly the same. We lost 2 & a half defensive starters. Emerson, Green, & the half is Brule.

Tell me again why we shouldn’t expect 8-9 wins this season?

Because T Tech shut us down
03-23-2022, 07:32 PM
Coach34

UPig will likely be ranked in the top 20 to start 2022. People thinking they are rebuilding are mistaken
03-23-2022, 09:44 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Judging from the last game I'm not expecting a well oiled offense, at least not right away. I expect a rollercoaster with the offense.

A lot of truth there. The offense looked like a Brand new Italian sports car against A&M. Bye week the next week then it ran like a 1976 AMC Gremlin that was missing a spark plug against Bama.
03-23-2022, 09:44 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Because T Tech shut us down

You have a point but so does IYOK. Something definitely collapsed the last 2 games and I ain't football smart enough to explain in detail as to why. But overall we had some quality wins mixed with some shoulda couldas. Based on that and what's coming back gives creedence to IYOK's Take. It seems its a more overall encompassing assessment. I like seeing someone with good connections letting it be known Leach ain't riding the good ship lollipop this year and he needs to do better than mediocre things or else he may get it in the ear.
03-23-2022, 09:47 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Does having 5 schollies left dictate portal work or lack thereof?

My opinion they are waiting until after all the spring training to see what they lose and what comes available in the portal.
03-23-2022, 10:55 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

My opinion they are waiting until after all the spring training to see what they lose and what comes available in the portal.

Hopefully somebody's working the phones and ain't lolligagging till the last moment.
03-24-2022, 03:15 AM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

My opinion they are waiting until after all the spring training to see what they lose and what comes available in the portal.

Just about the only thing coming available after spring is guys not on the 2 deep. The OL recruit and DB are exceptions. I think they got in the portal late. But there's nobody out there that's going to blow us away. Props for getting a couple guys early, but we needed more.
03-24-2022, 12:20 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mullen last 4 years he avg 8.5 wins & we had 3 9 win seasons in those 4. That’s what we need from Leach & what we were sold with Leach. That’s why this season is so important. We return more production than any SEC school. We return like 17 starters. If he doesn’t win 8-9 games this season he won’t for a while. 2023 we’ll be replacing the entire defense. 2024 we’ll be replacing damn near the entire offense. It’s now or maybe never this season. He needs to get it done.

You're counting bowl games that Dan didn't even coach. Bowl games are a toss up and half the teams don't even show up. We were without 16 players in our last one.

Dans last 4 years, 2014-2017, we averaged 7.75 wins and 4.25 losses per year in the regular season. That was dans best 4 year run. Exceptional for a school like ours honestly.
I think leach can match dans 7.1-4.9 average.
We'll see.
03-24-2022, 12:24 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I've been patient with Leach. My patience will run out if we win less than 8 games. Year three I want to see a well oiled offense w/ a salty defense.

The worst job in the division playing the toughest schedule in the country and we are done with our coach if anything less than 8-4? Tough crowd.
03-24-2022, 12:29 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The majority of the offense this is their 3rd year starting or playing a ton. Not being good right away won’t fly. You have a 3rd year starter at QB. Both RB’s are basically 3rd year starters. Williams & Walley 3rd year starters. Calvin knows the offense better than anybody on the team. This is Tulu 3rd year in the system & he started half the season last year. RaRa was a Freshman All SEC. Cole Smith, Kam Jones, Dollar, & Sharp all have a ton of starts. There are literally no excuses. Nobody in the SEC is returning that much experience. The defense is exactly the same. We lost 2 & a half defensive starters. Emerson, Green, & the half is Brule.

Tell me again why we shouldn’t expect 8-9 wins this season?

Bc we will have less talent than 8 of our 12 opponents (Unless you don't believe in the accuracy of recruiting rankings). Much less than 5.
03-24-2022, 12:31 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

This staff looks like they've damn near quit recruiting. It's getting ridiculous.

It's not going to be too good if we lose to the University of Mississippi Rebels 3 years in a row. A lot of fans may be a little upset.
03-24-2022, 01:12 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by confucius say

The worst job in the division playing the toughest schedule in the country and we are done with our coach if anything less than 8-4? Tough crowd.

3rd year, Chief. Gotta see something. Tough schedule be damned. This the SEC it's always tough. I'll pump some sunshine but I ain't pumping bullshit.
03-24-2022, 01:29 PM
MedDawg

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

The majority of the offense this is their 3rd year starting or playing a ton. Not being good right away won?t fly. You have a 3rd year starter at QB. Both RB?s are basically 3rd year starters. Williams & Walley 3rd year starters. Calvin knows the offense better than anybody on the team. This is Tulu 3rd year in the system & he started half the season last year. RaRa was a Freshman All SEC. Cole Smith, Kam Jones, Dollar, & Sharp all have a ton of starts. There are literally no excuses. Nobody in the SEC is returning that much experience. The defense is exactly the same. We lost 2 & a half defensive starters. Emerson, Green, & the half is Brule.

As much as I'm a sunshine pumper and Leach apologist, I agree with that. We should be ready for the early season as much as anyone. We finally have some experience, and it's returning experience and not a team full of unknown portal guys.
03-24-2022, 01:31 PM
gtowndawg

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

It's not going to be too good if we lose to the University of Mississippi Rebels 3 years in a row. A lot of fans may be a little upset.

A little upset?
03-24-2022, 01:37 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

As much as I'm a sunshine pumper and Leach apologist, I agree with that. We should be ready for the early season as much as anyone. We finally have some experience, and it's returning experience and not a team full of unknown portal guys.

Exactly.

I'm all for giving Leach time.

It's year three.

It's time.
03-24-2022, 01:59 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Exactly.

I'm all for giving Leach time.

It's year three.

It's time.

I like Leach a lot but he needs to beat om this year and we need to have a good year. A good year to me would be 7 wins(regular season) and beating om, a very good year would be 8 and beating om, more than 8 wins I would consider a great year. We have to play well and hard and look competent. We definitely have to beat om this year or he's gonna lose just about everyone and at that point he's dead in the water.
03-24-2022, 02:18 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by confucius say

You're counting bowl games that Dan didn't even coach. Bowl games are a toss up and half the teams don't even show up. We were without 16 players in our last one.

Dans last 4 years, 2014-2017, we averaged 7.75 wins and 4.25 losses per year in the regular season. That was dans best 4 year run. Exceptional for a school like ours honestly.
I think leach can match dans 7.1-4.9 average.
We'll see.

Bowl games? Or 1 game?

Since when do bowl games not count?

Ok by that logic Leach has avg 5 wins his 2 seasons. He better get to winning if he’s going to avg 7.1 regular season wins.

Bottom line Mullen & his program had 3 9 win or more seasons his last 4 seasons. Those are facts without any ifs, ands, or buts. Leach need to hit that this year because if he doesn’t in 2022 he’s not going to at MSU.
03-24-2022, 02:19 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Bc we will have less talent than 8 of our 12 opponents (Unless you don't believe in the accuracy of recruiting rankings). Much less than 5.

I’m not saying you’re making a lot of excuses but if someone said this sounds like an excuse I would agree with that person.
03-24-2022, 02:20 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I like Leach a lot but he needs to beat om this year and we need to have a good year. A good year to me would be 7 wins(regular season) and beating om, a very good year would be 8 and beating om, more than 8 wins I would consider a great year. We have to play well and hard and look competent. We definitely have to beat om this year or he's gonna lose just about everyone and at that point he's dead in the water.

This team is built for a decent year. We have more returning experience than just about any SEC team. This needs to be at least an 8 win season, including a win over OM, for me to continue my patient support of Leach. If we **** around and only win 6 games and lose to OM again I'm all for Cohen pulling the trigger on the experiment.

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