Columbia sucks ... trust me on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Columbia sucks ... trust me on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If you weren't a state grad, how would you describe Starkville? Columbia is about 2 hours from Charlotte and Charleston. Starkville is 2 hours from JacksonQuote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Florida may be that bigger fish too. I suspect you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Golden sponsored by Golden FlakeQuote:
Originally Posted by CovertDawg
Almost 100% certain he is referring to Columbia, MizzouQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Columbia SC is 300 times the city of starkville. Not even close.. however the one in Mizzou is a DUMPSTER FIRE
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Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
Actually I'm not a State grad .... I went to Lipscomb in Nashville. I spent 6 months in Columbia, SC while in the military and can attest that it sucks as far as crime & entertainment. My experience with Starkville is limited to visiting campus several times and the obvious trips for games there but I have seen and experienced the town.... I say that with the caveat that I'm a country boy at heart and prefer a smaller town atmosphere. My main point was that Columbia would be one of my LAST choices of places to live.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You can attest nothing. but thank you for your service.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I think Missouri, Kansas State and Florida would all be more attractive jobs than us, but I think we have a better program than South Carolina. I would rate it Florida, Kstate, Missouri, Miss State, South Carolina, LSU. I only put LSU last because of the sanctions and getting someone who wants to deal with that at a football first school is not going to be easy. Maryland might still be open I?m not sure but they will be trying to get a power 6 coach like Florida. I don?t know if any other coaching jobs are open at the power 6 level that would be a threat to us. I?m glad Louisville got Payne because that might give us a better chance with McMahon, but if UF or Maryland calls him we don?t have much of a chance
I don't have to attest ... A friend of mine in my same platoon had his throat cut while downtown - and while I was there two more service members were robbed and killed. Not to mention my own personal experiences there. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings or insult you but I know what I know..... What I don't know that I will admit to is that was in 1979 and maybe things have changed since then but I still remain skeptical about the city .... I'm sure things might be different in the suburbs or rural areas and I have seen other parts of the state that are absolutely charming but for the city of Colombia itself - you will never change my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by CarolinaDawgs
Look I love Mississippi but living in South Carolina is way better. It's not even close. It's not about just living in Columbia- it's having a beach house about 2 hours away. Great golf. Plus all the other advantages not just for the coach- but his family. Hell, I've heard complaints by coaches about how their wife hates Sville because its over an hour just to go to a Best Buy. Simple things like that
KSU? Is it really desirable to be in Manhatten Kansas? You're 2 hours from Kansas City, which I guess is nice. But otherwise it seems like you've got all the same downsides of living in small towns in the Southeast but with the additional drawback you're not near anything of interest. Have to fly to get to decent water. Can at least drive to snow sking but still a freaking haul. I have probably not spent enough time in the midwest to be a fair judge, but the little time I spent there made me think it was god awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
That stretch of the east coast, where you are easy driving distance to the beach and mountains and a some decent cities is a pretty good location. Also not too cold and has milder summers (although I'll gladly take the hotter summers for less cold weather). Not the best beaches or snow skiing, but mediocre and accessible is as good or better than great that you fly to once a year or every few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You mean nobody's ever skied Mississippi?***
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We have had conversations with multiple candidates. While I do not think we have met with all of them directly we have met with representation from all of them and an offer is on the table for our top guy already.
I?m not saying Kstate is a great job, but their basketball success overall is greater than ours has been. I would put our football job more desirable than theirs but not hoops. Unfortunately, Jans is from Iowa so I could see him choosing Kstate or Mizzou over Miss State. We might have a better chance with McMahon thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
If we cut ties with Howland without a replacement having a deal in principel, this close in time to the Rick Ray fiasco and also after Cohen personally got suckered on the baseball hire by agents "showing interest", then it is a fireable offense for cohen. I really don't think that's going to happen or else we'd already have an announcement on Howland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Maybe Rick Ray has a brother coaching at some directional school. Just keeping our options open. ***
Sterlingarcher says most likely Jans by as early as Tuesday. If we pull that off, I think the move was warranted. He's won at 5 stops.
Outstanding hire if it's him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's a total coin flip between any of these mid major coaches whether they pan out or not. Personally would rather have McMahan because of the Ja morant connection but again it's all a coin flip.
Bring on Coach Jans!
Agreed. I'd prefer Jans just because he's won at more stops, but I haven't done any research into how any of these coaches win. Ideally you'd see a coach win with scouting and player development, not, say, executing a complex offense really well. An MSU coach (and most SEC coaches not named Kentucky) are going to have to make tradeoffs between athleticism, skill, and basketball smarts. You may not be able to keep a seven team rotation that can execute a complex offense at a very high level without having to make too much of a tradeoff on the athleticism side.Quote:
Originally Posted by calidawg
No guarantees whoever we hire will win big, but I like Jans the most out of the names being mentioned. I feel like he would be about as much of a "homerun" as we could hope for
I don't know about a fireable offense. Let's ask Leeshouldveflanked for his opinion. ***Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Looking at Chris Jans analytics. His teams play slow (adjusted tempo is similar to Howland) and they excel at Offensive Rebounding (also similar to Howland.) The one key difference between Jans and Howland is that the 3pt rate (% of FG attempts that are 3s) is much higher for Jans than Howland. This year New Mexico State is around 100th in 3pt rate but in the three years prior they were top 25 in the nation in 3pt rate. It tells me that Jans at least has a clue about analytics and how long 2pt shots are garbage. Mississippi State has been 330th+ in the nation the last two years in 3pt rate. I think Howland did a better job than most but when you shoot that few # of 3 pointers you are just making your life so much more difficult in modern basketball.
We dont shoot many 3's because we cant make them. We were 336th in the country in percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovertDawg
Fault Howland for not recruiting shooters- but his offense was tailored to the strength of the team.
My problem with Howland is that we NEVER changed defenses. EVER. 167th in the country in FG D. No imagination at all. Nothing to help confuse teams or anything. Ridiculous
Great. More slow boring basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovertDawg
I agree Howland played the way he had to this year and yes I fault him for not recruiting shooters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well to be fair, his defensive strategy was the same as a Coach of a 5 year old soccer team. Everybody chase the ball! Don?t worry about that guy standing in the corner wide open. His defense wasn?t man to man. It was 10 eyes on the man with the ball!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Huge difference between being "slow" because you run an offense and make defenses work versus being "slow" because you walk the ball up the court and routinely run another few seconds off the clock dribbling just past half court waiting on your offense to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No clue which describes Jans's teams, but it is not boring to me to see offenses work and reverse the ball several times, if you hustle up the floor, take advantage of secondary fast breaks when they are there, and can efficiently transition from a secondary break into your offense.
Tell me you don’t know basketball without saying you don’t know basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
NM State plays in a little while. Might learn something about Jans.
We shot 3's at .343 last season, which was among sec leaders. I'm sure howland expected Molinar to at least stay at his 43% from last year; certainly didn't expect him to drop to 26%.Quote:
Originally Posted by CovertDawg
Howland said watts was a really good shooter in practice. Im sure he planned on having him this season. Not sure I agree about watts being a good shooter though.
Jeffries shot 39% his freshman year, and 35% his soph years. He then shot 29% this season.
This season really was cursed. Perhaps the stars aligned to give us jans as he looks like a good coach.
Don't know anything about Jans and I hope he's a home run if he is the hire. I will say that New Mexico State has been a good program for a while. Reggie Theus did well in a short tenure, then Marvin Menzies took over and really built them into a consistent winner. Menzies was meh at UNLV and was fired after 3 years. Paul Weir took over for 1 year, did well, then has been bad at New Mexico and was fired after 4 years. Jans has had success more or less in line with them, up maybe a notch, so we'll see. The one thing I know about basketball hires, you literally have absolutely no clue what you're getting until they show up. Some seeming home runs are complete duds and some retread 'Huh?' hires end up being really good.
Yeah, they're playing UConn so almost certainly will lose. 12 seed vs 5. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfish
https://barttorvik.com/coach-history...h=Chris%20Jans
Here are some of the metrics for Jans. I would say he is pretty balanced on both sides of the ball. Had 3 years (18-20) in a row where his teams were absolute monsters at rebounding the ball on Offense and Defense. Shoots a lot of 3s but 34.6% is the best one of his teams has averaged from there. Not sure why his team is turning the ball over so much this year.
And to be fair, Howland's numbers look pretty solid too. The one thing that did Howland in is that his teams at MSU ALWAYS turned the ball over a lot. (251, 317,291, 228, 226, 216, 174) were our national ranks in Offensive Turnover % for each of Howland's years.
Jans is from New Mexico? We sure he's gonna leave? If he does, hope he brings teddy Allen with him
He’s not from New MexicoQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I didn't think so, but thought I heard announcer say that. I could've misheardQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew