Hugh Freeze

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Originally Posted by SailingDawg

In addition to his salary, he gets to hold retreats where he embarasses his wife by professing his sins then bring everyone to tears with their reconciliation. Money flows.

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Makes me feel sorry his wife and kids.

Make a movie "bout DAT Hollywood Biches.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

That's just it. Those "co-eds" these recruits meet are hired escorts posing as very friendly sorority girls. I believe Chris Jones got caught up in this sort of thing.

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Bbbbbingo. One day I?ll tell the entire CJ story, but this is part of it.

removed because it has been discussed. Hookers.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Bbbbbingo. One day I?ll tell the entire CJ story, but this is part of it.

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???... Lame.

So what determines when you finally decide to up and spill the beans? Whether what you know is the truth or not.

What could possibly go wrong if you shared your story today? This very second?!

I'm not privy to all the CJ info but I was told by an old frat buddy that the person who drove CJ to Oxford on the evening in question was offered the same services that the recruits received. He politely declined and stayed in the car. The Gin is no longer with us.

Say what you want but I was always envious that from day one HF’s om teams absolutely took the field taking the fight to Bama.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

The NCAA knew exactly what was going on. It didn't take an in depth investigation to find out the hookers were for recruits. Going down that rabbit hole would have not only destroyed ole miss (which ain't a bad thing) but would have given college football more than just a black eye. I'm sure there were other schools involved with some of the same escorts in sports other than football. It would have been the biggest scandal of college athletics. So, instead the NCAA gives a heads up to any school thinking about giving Freeze another shot. They tell the ADs the truth about the whole thing and that's why they drop Freeze like a hot nail from the conversation.

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He wasn't the first guy to get busted for getting hookers for recruits and those other schools caught came out so it can't be just that

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Arranging sex workers for minors is a pretty big ask of a relatively lowly paid assistant. I wouldn't do that for a few hundred thousand dollars, and I certainly wouldn't do it so the guy making $4M wouldn't have to. To the extent that was happening, I'm guessing Freeze had to be involved with it.

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Louisville basketball hooker scandal- director of player personnel was in charge of getting hookers. Of course they hand it off to someone else

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

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Agree. Just another subject ole Miss fans put out there and a lot of our fans believed it blindly because it was terrible enough.

Just like corral not making Heisman trip, we fall for their smoke.
(Yes if second half of season went like first, he'd have been invited)

So when is someone going to quit being elite and tell us the Tony Bahou story

They nipped it in the bud too fast for it to have bean just individual misconduct. They squelched the prostitution for croots FAST. Freezus made the calls but network money and knowledge played a role too.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

IM sure plenty of Ole Miss players had all the hookers they wanted I just think it was facilitated by someone on staff besides Freeze. I am sure he knew it was going on I just dont think he personally called the hookers to set it up. That is almost inconceivable.

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He would text certain girls when recruits would come to town to "show them a good time " this is a fact. The girls would know when the recruits would be getting to the library, for example, and the girls would be all over them. This is fact.

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Makes me feel sorry his wife and kids.

Make a movie "bout DAT Hollywood Biches.

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Why. She stayed with him so it's obviously about the money. Now kids, certainly.

The fact of the matter is Freeze is radioactive at this point. His best bet is to stay where he is and hope no one blows up what really happened.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact of the matter is Freeze is radioactive at this point. His best bet is to stay where he is and hope no one blows up what really happened.

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At 4 million a year, he's sitting pretty good.

2-3 more years at Liberty and 2-3 more years of Texas sucking or Florida striking out with Napier. You may be surprised what desperate blue bloods can manifest.

Hugh will have major issues putting together a staff at a big job. He?s one of the least well-liked guys in the coaching fraternity.

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

I just find it hard to believe Freeze was personally getting hookers for recruits when there is 2000 other people that would be doing that part of the job. I am sure Freeze got hookers for himself and that was brought to light. So what happened in the parking lot and with special olympics? I hate when people act like they know something and then dont say anything, no one gives a shit. Spill the beans

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The escort services and hooker numbers were on Hugh's phone. That goes beyond lack of control by the coach to facilitating escorts for recruits. If he actually helped arrange transportation from out of state, that's trafficking and I've thought there was some information of that variety that the NCAA, he and the university never wanted that revealed, obviously.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

Not just Saban, the preacher at Pinelake in Flowood, by far the most successful preacher in Mississippi (and MSU alum), is still in Freeze's corner.

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Dude seriously? You are calling a preacher a low life scum? What exactly is a preacher to do with his flock? If a preacher can?t be friendly and offer advice and spiritual assistance to someone at their low point then they are failing their job. For you to attack a preacher for doing what he supposed to be doing with his flock just proves that you don?t know the mission of a preacher. What if Jesus Christ didn?t talk to people at their lowest? Would he have made disciples out of who he did? You are way off base here and have lost my respect because when you attack a preacher for doing his job it just shows how weak of a person you personally really are. That was pathetic.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Dude seriously? You are calling a preacher a low life scum? What exactly is a preacher to do with his flock? If a preacher can?t be friendly and offer advice and spiritual assistance to someone at their low point then they are failing their job. For you to attack a preacher for doing what he supposed to be doing with his flock just proves that you don?t know the mission of a preacher. What if Jesus Christ didn?t talk to people at their lowest? Would he have made disciples out of who he did? You are way off base here and have lost my respect because when you attack a preacher for doing his job it just shows how weak of a person you personally really are. That was pathetic.

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Pretty sure he is not criticizing the Pinelake preacher for being friendly and offering spiritual assistance. The Pinelake guy gave Freeze a platform without Freeze ever really taking responsibility or accountability for his sins or even acknowledging what they were. Freeze was still openly denying that he did what was claimed while also taking "responsibility" for some unspecified mistakes. I think a lot of people would probably feel like it's legitimate to criticize him over that. I am not sure what Pinelakes belief's are, but certainly in some churches that would be seen as improper.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Pretty sure he is not criticizing the Pinelake preacher for being friendly and offering spiritual assistance. The Pinelake guy gave Freeze a platform without Freeze ever really taking responsibility or accountability for his sins or even acknowledging what they were. Freeze was still openly denying that he did what was claimed while also taking "responsibility" for some unspecified mistakes. I think a lot of people would probably feel like it's legitimate to criticize him over that. I am not sure what Pinelakes belief's are, but certainly in some churches that would be seen as improper.

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Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.

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While I do agree with forgiveness and extending grace to those who fall short. There are sins that do disqualify us for further service in the endeavor we were undertaking. Freeze violated the trust with parents and the school and should be disqualified for holding such a position. Let him go sell used cars but keep him away from a position of trust of this type.

And yes, this view is biblical as the apostle Paul mentions his fear of being disqualified to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:27).

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

While I do agree with forgiveness and extending grace to those who fall short. There are sins that do disqualify us for further service in the endeavor we were undertaking. Freeze violated the trust with parents and the school and should be disqualified for holding such a position. Let him go sell used cars but keep him away from a position of trust of this type.

And yes, this view is biblical as the apostle Paul mentions his fear of being disqualified to preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:27).

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You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone…

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

preacher whom was doing what he is paid

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How much money did Jesus get paid?

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

How much money did Jesus get paid?

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It could be debated that Jesus is the currency. That was clearly meant to be a joke but was it?

Plus Jesus was paid by peoples belief in him and faith in him.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone…

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You're taking a lot of liberty with my statement, in no way was I criticizing Chip (whom I've known for more than two decades), I was just making the point that others of high standing, beside's Saban (where did I infer he was a "low life"?) were standing by Freeze. I've always had a uneasy feeling about Freeze, but I'm not judging what he has done nor his spirituality (I have no reason to judge him, but a major peeve of mine is hypocrisy which I think he is full of). My gut is there was more to what he has done than publicly known, else he would have gotten a major job by now, but I don't know that.

As an aside, Chip is a good guy and great preacher, but as a whole don't put too much faith in religious leaders. I know of other lay leaders in several different churches who did much less than Freeze was accused of, but were asked to "step away" and focus on themselves after a transgression.

I took no such liberties. Post #17 in this thread speaks for itself. You quoted a previous quote calling Saban a low life. You said not just Saban but the preacher at Pinelake. It implies that Chip is in same category as Saban. If that was not your intent, then it should have been worded differently.

As far as freeze goes, yes I think he does forfeit himself from public office or HC jobs. Lucky for him that doesn’t keep him from salvation which as you well know is Chips concern and not sports jobs.

I am all for extending graces to others, Lord knows I need it as well.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

I took no such liberties. Post #17 in this thread speaks for itself. You quoted a previous quote calling Saban a low life. You said not just Saban but the preacher at Pinelake. It implies that Chip is in same category as Saban. If that was not your intent, then it should have been worded differently.

As far as freeze goes, yes I think he does forfeit himself from public office or HC jobs. Lucky for him that doesn’t keep him from salvation which as you well know is Chips concern and not sports jobs.

I am all for extending graces to others, Lord knows I need it as well.

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I do apologize to you, Saban and Chip about that, I didn't mean to infer either were low lifes, just that Saban was not the only well known person standing by Freeze. I edited my quote.

I was always taught to never discuss religion or politics in public.

Haha. Well played on the edit. Well played. Good day sir

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

You sir, are 100% correct.

The issue was the poster was calling a preacher whom was doing what he is paid and called to do a low life. The poster was responding and quoted someone saying Saban was a low life. The poster then said not only Saban but the preacher at Pinelake too. That is my point of contention.

Chip (Pinelake Rez pastor) never once said that Freeze should be coaching or in a position as such. He was talking on a personal level. He was defending the man from onslaughts on his person(which he did deserve.) Chip even referenced Paul who as you well know killed Christians prior to becoming a disciple of Christ. Do I believe Freeze screwed up, YES. As does Chip at Pinelake, but that still does not give us the right to judge him. How does it go? Those without sin cast the first stone?

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The difference is Paul repented and was sorry for the things he did. There's a question whether Freeze is sorry for what he did or sorry for getting caught. I believe the latter because there's numerous instances of Freeze getting caught in lies and pulling the "forgive me I have sinned" card.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Well I attend Pinelake and not one of the satellites. I was in the sanctuary when he referenced Freeze. Granted he did not use his name, nor should he have, he spoke very directly about accusations whether or not they are factual or not. He was talking about personal growth and forgiveness. How like him or not, it is not our place to judge but to offer assistance and to extend grace. Chip never once said it was being blown out of proportion or that he was innocent in the charges, but we as Christians are to extend grace because that is what Christ does.

He referenced Freeze several sermons, again not by name but you know who he was speaking of. He was doing his job and leading his church by being the example of extending grace. I was there, this is not second, third or fourth hand information. I had several talks with my wife about it as well and we both came to the conclusion that it was not a pro-Freeze sermon but one of forgiveness and extending grace. People have faults, Freeze certainly has his and he has to live with his actions, but Chip was doing his job and leading by example by extending grace.

If anyone still hates Freeze that is your opinion, but without getting philosophical in an anonymous forum, if you believe in Christ and his mission, then you believe in extending grace to others who are guilty of transgressions against others. I for one truly hope that is the case, because without Jesus being able to do that very thing, I am screwed.

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My bad. I thought pinelake was where Freeze actually spoke. Not sure why I thought that was Pinelake. I guess maybe I remembered people criticizing the Pinelake preacher and thought it was for Freeze speaking at Pinelake.

As long as Freeze won't admit what he did (beyond some generic "I didn't honor my wife BS") and continues to grift gullible evangelicals by speaking at conferences and lining his own pockets with his vague story of "redemption," I'm just not going to believe he's repented.

Ultimately of course, it doesn't matter whether I believe him, but that's where I am.

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Originally Posted by viverlibre

I do apologize to you, Saban and Chip about that, I didn't mean to infer either were low lifes, just that Saban was not the only well known person standing by Freeze. I edited my quote.

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Saban is kind of a low life, but that is for another time.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

My bad. I thought pinelake was where Freeze actually spoke. Not sure why I thought that was Pinelake. I guess maybe I remembered people criticizing the Pinelake preacher and thought it was for Freeze speaking at Pinelake.

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He did speak at Pinelake but it was before all of this came to light and it was only for the 11:00 service.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

As long as Freeze won't admit what he did (beyond some generic "I didn't honor my wife BS") and continues to grift gullible evangelicals by speaking at conferences and lining his own pockets with his vague story of "redemption," I'm just not going to believe he's repented.

Ultimately of course, it doesn't matter whether I believe him, but that's where I am.

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Well, some would believe that a person doesn't have to repent in public for redemption. Others could argue that any religion is mumbo jumbo.

To me it is this clear, should a person deserve forgiveness in the public for transgressions they have made, without coming clean about those transgressions? I say no. Freeze does not get a free pass. Freeze does not get to stand up and talk about his personal redemption without being clear about the facts. A person like him should demand any an all that know something about him to come on out with it. At that point, he can work to better himself in public. Not before. The full story of that situation has not come out, he has admitted nothing, and therefore the public has no responsibility to forgive him.

Can I forgive him personally, sure. I hold not ill will towards Freeze or anyone else for that matter. So he may have cheated on his wife, well shit happens. So he may have hired hookers for a 16-18 year old high school student, it is not like these guys are 7 years old. Either way, until he comes out publicly with his exact role, he should be black balled. At the point that he does come out with it, depending on what it is, he still should be black balled.

Either way, I am not losing a moment's thought about Hugh Freeze and his redemption. That is between him and God, and then "as a public figure" between him and the public.

Didn't he also baptize Laquon Treadwell at Pinelake? So classic

At least we can all agree everything Ole Miss needs to Go to Hell and 17'd to death.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Well, some would believe that a person doesn't have to repent in public for redemption. Others could argue that any religion is mumbo jumbo.

To me it is this clear, should a person deserve forgiveness in the public for transgressions they have made, without coming clean about those transgressions? I say no. Freeze does not get a free pass. Freeze does not get to stand up and talk about his personal redemption without being clear about the facts. A person like him should demand any an all that know something about him to come on out with it. At that point, he can work to better himself in public. Not before. The full story of that situation has not come out, he has admitted nothing, and therefore the public has no responsibility to forgive him.

Can I forgive him personally, sure. I hold not ill will towards Freeze or anyone else for that matter. So he may have cheated on his wife, well shit happens. So he may have hired hookers for a 16-18 year old high school student, it is not like these guys are 7 years old. Either way, until he comes out publicly with his exact role, he should be black balled. At the point that he does come out with it, depending on what it is, he still should be black balled.

Either way, I am not losing a moment's thought about Hugh Freeze and his redemption. That is between him and God, and then "as a public figure" between him and the public.

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Im not sure the families of those high school girls have forgiven him nor ever will.

The thing with Bucky is more than just him are to blame. The plantation enablers set all of this in motion many year ago by covering up his illegal acts with underage girls. Sometimes winning is more important than illegal and immoral acts to some people. The KlanSharts epitomize this mantra. More than any blue blood program. The fact that no one has made them pay is also troubling. You would think at some point that someone would make the little fish pay for such acts and enabling to make an example and throw the public a bone, but it has not happened.

Are y'all saying OM was not doing this before Freeze and stopped doing it after Freeze?