Will Rogers

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Wow.

Yeah, I'd take young, either of Georgia's, or corral without a second thought.

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I wouldn't take Corral, GA's are getting better but they weren't that good early on. GA was struggling early in season to score some points and that's with GA talent, not our talent.

ETA: I have watched Young too and not impressed. Not keeping up with CFB like I usually do and names ain't sticking with me. For some reason I was thinking he was an OSU QB. Young ... he's a true soph with Bama talent. He ain't playing lights out with their talent IMO. His excuse could be "Well, Bama receivers aren't fully developed yet" or something like that. Really??? Will's playing with our Oline and WRs, not Bama's. Bama QBs are really good when they have 3 top-notch NFL WRs and 3 or so NFL Olinemen too.

The throws Will has made on the move lately especially going to his left ... not many can make those throws much less as accurately as he's making them.

ETA: Arky is a very good team and had 2 weeks to get ready for us. Our D needs some more talent and depth in at DL and S. We gave up way too many rushing yds last night. And then ... we need a damn kicker too.

"Qbr is all that matters. It defines a qb entirely."

Will top qbr in wk 9 and then 2nd in wk 10.

"Its the system, Katie Perry could have the same qbr."

You guys must have miserable lives with everyday being an underwhelming x on the calender.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Oh, and Buck, just use your regular account. You?re better than a burner account to talk on here. Save that for Twitter.

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You're one of the inherently stupid ones.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

I like you intentionally swapping accounts back to back on my account, Bucky, in an attempt to put Batman and Bruce Wayne in the same room at the same time. 😂
Will?s numbers in this system have him ranked at number 2. That?s awesome, but he?s not even in a top QB conversation. Maybe he will be next year, but you don?t have to push him so hard on us like he?s your kid. I know you can?t stand criticism, but you?re so far gone that you can?t even stand a complementary statement that doesn?t claim that he?s better than Dak.

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I hope you are enjoying yourself. Bc you couldnt be more wrong or make a bigger ass of yourself if you tried.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Just so's you know ... I wouldn't trade Will for any QB in conference right now. Hell probably in the country but then I haven't watched all the QBs in the country either.

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The kids on the team would agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Oh, and Buck, just use your regular account. You?re better than a burner account to talk on here. Save that for Twitter.

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Im a lot better than you rn for sure

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Here's the passer rating leader nationally since 2012
2021: McCall
2020: mac Jones
2019: burrow
2018: tua
2017: mayfield
2016: mayfield
2015: Vernon Adams
2014: mariota
2013: Winston
2012: Winston

I'd say there's a strong correlation between great passer rating and great ability

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I think like all stats it is a measurement of production - and it can be influenced by the system, team talent, and competition on your schedule just like any other stat. Am I surprised that QBs on NC caliber teams lead the country in passer rating almost every year? No. They typically have the best players around them which weighs things in their favor from the start. Look at a kid like Stetson Bennett. He's 3rd in the country in QBR - there is no way he is the 3rd most talented QB in the country. He may not even be the 3rd most talented on the UGA roster. But, he has become a very good game manager - and he has the best talent in the country around him and he has learned to rely on it instead of his arm. Unlike last season when he was 90th in the country in QBR. And UGA's coaches have adjusted their play calling to his abilities and set him up well for success.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If you include Daniels (and I would), then you have to include Bennett. Bennett leads the sec in passer rating, and he starts over Daniels.

Since this isn't a dual threat offense, I agree hooker snd kj wouldn't work as a pocket passer. I do think both are better college qbs at this point though.

I think bazelak is every bit as good as will and more talented.

Corral is a far superior qb, and pretty ridiculous to not include him. He's gonna be starting in the nfl soon

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In this system... no. Corral isn't built for this system. It's predicated on out smarting and being more accurate / execute better than your opponent. Will now does better than 2014 Dak would have in this system. 2015 Dak on the other hand would have been phenomenal. Will has actually shown a similar mental leap as Dak did from 14' to 15'. Given the same amount of time in the system and over a year worth of game reps then yea, there's other guys who would be better. But you can't plug in Corral today and say we'd be better.

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Originally Posted by basedog

In the second half was really good. Actually he has improved so much and is getting so much better every week. Biggest thing I saw against Arkansas was his ability to move out of the pocket and not get sacked as much as in the past. This comes from experience as well as him seeing the field better and finding his second or third receiver.
Fact is he is going to break many passing records that will be held for a long long time in this offense. He is still a young man maturing and showing much better arm strength. I have seen many (and even a good friend) saying he will face competition or we need a better QB, I say it ain't gonna happen. Dude may have 3 years from a Covid year, his future is bright and he is starting to show more leadership. Seems to me he and the Pirate have a good relationship and understanding about his ability.

Btw yes the offense has improved, I'm on board as I had doubts, but we gotta recruit and get some speed on both side of the ball. Special teams have been talked about and all I can say is it needs work.

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Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Im a lot better than you rn for sure

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Buck, answer me this. Are you Blair, the mortgage guy? Multiple accounts. Complete infatuation with a great guy that will be a great player for us, but ultimately probably isn?t that special outside of our little world. Were you completely in love with Jake like you are Will, almost to an embarrassing degree for an adult man? You fit the bill in a lot of areas.

Bucky, at what point will you see that complementing others doesn?t take away from Will? That not anointing him the greatest player ever at MSU doesn?t mean others hate him? We are just not as infatuated with him as you and your MaybeBuckyDawg601 account are. Relax, bud. 😉

I will let you do you. I have no idea what you are even talking about. I can promise you, this place would miss me a lot more than it would you. Even 7 would agree with that. But carry on.

Wow, a lot of man love in here. Looks like he wants to be your huckleberry Bucky. Maybe even see your huckleberry. What is it the kids say these days? Hashtag Obsessed

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wow, a lot of man love in here. Looks like he wants to be your huckleberry Bucky. Maybe even see your huckleberry. What is it the kids say these days? Hashtag Obsessed

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Idk apparently I have multiple accounts and run a mortgage company while also being Batman and Bruce Wayne. All while still finding the time to follow Will and Mangum around like a groupie

Bucky is a B****. I?ll give you that one, B. You were honest there.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Wow, a lot of man love in here. Looks like he wants to be your huckleberry Bucky. Maybe even see your huckleberry. What is it the kids say these days? Hashtag Obsessed

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You can cower down when he says dumb stuff. Couldn?t be me.

Will is balling and has turned the corner there is no doubting it. His decision making, checking into good plays, and playmaking is top 5 in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Will is balling and has turned the corner there is no doubting it. His decision making, checking into good plays, and playmaking is top 5 in the SEC.

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Right.

Anyone complaining about Will now is just an insufferable douche.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

You can cower down when he says dumb stuff. Couldn?t be me.

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Are you drunk?

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

You can cower down when he says dumb stuff. Couldn?t be me.

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Yours is truly the greater will

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Bucky is a B****. I?ll give you that one, B. You were honest there.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Well, if high level playing experience is a pre req for being able to talk football, this place should shut down today. Where?d you play QB in college? Pros?

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I played it, you would be surprised, I also understand the position and many don't. Nothing wrong for folks to be critical of ones play, just saying.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I played it, you would be surprised, I also understand the position and many don't. Nothing wrong for folks to be critical of ones play, just saying.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If he starts every game through the 2024 season, he'll own every NCAA passing record. Mark it down.

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This. SEC and NCAA recorded all.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I played it, you would be surprised, I also understand the position and many don't. Nothing wrong for folks to be critical of ones play, just saying.

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Rep given my man! Always respect your takes because I know you know what you're taking about!

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Originally Posted by basedog

I played it, you would be surprised, I also understand the position and many don't. Nothing wrong for folks to be critical of ones play, just saying.

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Most people don’t get it, but ED is actually represented well by former people who were paid to play sports.. i know of 4 very active posters who have made a living in sports.. a lot of people on here are lifelong fans but there are several that bring way more than an opinion to the table. You would be very surprised by who does read these posts. That is why we don’t need to be overly negative on players. Just embrace them and support them because college sports is not easy, and it is very irritating to be down trodden by people who can’t tie your cleats.

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Most people don’t get it, but ED is actually represented well by former people who were paid to play sports.. i know of 4 very active posters who have made a living in sports.. a lot of people on here are lifelong fans but there are several that bring way more than an opinion to the table. You would be very surprised by who does read these posts. That is why we don’t need to be overly negative on players. Just embrace them and support them because college sports is not easy, and it is very irritating to be down trodden by people who can’t tie your cleats.

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Spot on as always!

And for the record I am NOT one of the four I was referencing …

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

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Like button push 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼
Don?t forget to use the pointers. 😉

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Originally Posted by SilentSteel16

Most people don’t get it, but ED is actually represented well by former people who were paid to play sports.. i know of 4 very active posters who have made a living in sports.. a lot of people on here are lifelong fans but there are several that bring way more than an opinion to the table. You would be very surprised by who does read these posts. That is why we don’t need to be overly negative on players. Just embrace them and support them because college sports is not easy, and it is very irritating to be down trodden by people who can’t tie your cleats.

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No one should reach out to players to disparage them in any way. Message boards are places to voice concerns, sing praises, and bring the sunshine pumpers and negative fans back towards center while solving all MSU?s issues even though they?ve never once asked our opinion. 😂

Will Rogers has some big steel
balls! He's a gamer! We've never had a qb who has been able to bring us back like Will, not even Dak. Now I wish he would get off to faster starts but there's no quit in the kid and the team seems to believe In him and the play hard for him. Some folks act like you have to be a potential first round draft pick to be a great college qb and that's simply not the case(the list is to long to even go into). Will is becoming a great college qb and
leader and barring some injury will
leave here with a busload of school, SEC and NCAA records. I love the way the kid plays and I'm glad we got him. We need to enjoy watching this young man while he's here. He has some things to clean up for sure but dang he's growing up right before our eyes! I knew when we got the ball back he would get us in a position to tie it, I just knew it. He gives me that kind of belief. Shame we couldn't get it done but I believe our future is in good hands.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Will Rogers has some big steel
balls! He's a gamer! We've never had a qb who has been able to bring us back like Will, not even Dak. Now I wish he would get off to faster starts but there's no quit in the kid and the team seems to believe In him and the play hard for him. Some folks act like you have to be a potential first round draft pick to be a great college qb and that's simply not the case(the list is to long to even go into). Will is becoming a great college qb and
leader and barring some injury will
leave here with a busload of school, SEC and NCAA records. I love the way the kid plays and I'm glad we got him. We need to enjoy watching this young man while he's here. He has some things to clean up for sure but dang he's growing up right before our eyes! I knew when we got the ball back he would get us in a position to tie it, I just knew it. He gives me that kind of belief. Shame we couldn't get it done but I believe our future is in good hands.

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Good post ... as usual. Moving from our 25 to their 23 in :21 secs ... pretty darn impressive. While I love Dak ... the 2 min drill wasn't his forte'.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Will Rogers has some big steel
balls! He's a gamer! We've never had a qb who has been able to bring us back like Will, not even Dak. Now I wish he would get off to faster starts but there's no quit in the kid and the team seems to believe In him and the play hard for him. Some folks act like you have to be a potential first round draft pick to be a great college qb and that's simply not the case(the list is to long to even go into). Will is becoming a great college qb and
leader and barring some injury will
leave here with a busload of school, SEC and NCAA records. I love the way the kid plays and I'm glad we got him. We need to enjoy watching this young man while he's here. He has some things to clean up for sure but dang he's growing up right before our eyes! I knew when we got the ball back he would get us in a position to tie it, I just knew it. He gives me that kind of belief. Shame we couldn't get it done but I believe our future is in good hands.

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And it's not just about "system". Do y'all realize it is likely that in the AU game he will become the all-time NCAA leader in career completion percentage. That record is based on a minimum of 875 career attempts. He will hit that career number next week. His career completion percentage is at 72.6% currently. If he matches that pace next week he will be a full 2.2 points ahead of Colt Brennan the current record holder. It's 2.7 points ahead of the best Leach QB - Graham Harrell. That is insane.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Good post ... as usual. Moving from our 25 to their 23 in :21 secs ... pretty darn impressive. While I love Dak ... the 2 min drill wasn't his forte'.

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Thanks. Dak is a special player and is an MSU legend. It's still early but I believe by the time Will leaves here(barring injury) we will feel the same way about him. He really has some of that "IT" to him. I'm enjoying watching the young man ball. Enjoy him while he's here we've never had a passer quite like him.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And it's not just about "system". Do y'all realize it is likely that in the AU game he will become the all-time NCAA leader in career completion percentage. That record is based on a minimum of 875 career attempts. He will hit that career number next week. His career completion percentage is at 72.6% currently. If he matches that pace next week he will be a full 2.2 points ahead of Colt Brennan the current record holder. It's 2.7 points ahead of the best Leach QB - Graham Harrell. That is insane.

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Yeah if it was just the "system" you could pretty much plug and play any average 3 star qb and have success. It's way more than just the system it's who's driving. Heck you could put me in Earnhardt juniors car and I'd kill myself and not win a race. Put him in there and different story. I heard for years Tom Brady was a "system" qb too, lol. Turns out he IS the system.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

You're one of the inherently stupid ones.

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Thanks for playing, but you?re not even worth arguing with. Nothing I?ve ever seen you post is of consequence.

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

Thanks for playing, but you?re not even worth arguing with. Nothing I?ve ever seen you post is of consequence.

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Back at you x10.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Thanks. Dak is a special player and is an MSU legend. It's still early but I believe by the time Will leaves here(barring injury) we will feel the same way about him. He really has some of that "IT" to him. I'm enjoying watching the young man ball. Enjoy him while he's here we've never had a passer quite like him.

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I know it's still early and Will has a long ways to go but being a true soph ... he's progressing real well. Has to keep at it and improving tho.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I know it's still early and Will has a long ways to go but being a true soph ... he's progressing real well. Has to keep at it and improving tho.

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Actually Will is a RS freshman because of Covid.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Actually Will is a RS freshman because of Covid.

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Even better then. I tend to forget about that.