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It doesn't matter if he's catholic or not. SCOTUS has been clear that your request for a religious exception does not have to be founded upon any tenant of any recognized religion. I can invent my own religion and be the only person who subscribes to it and it is valid so long as it is my sincerely held belief. The EEOC has cautioned employers about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And this is one of the reasons there's gonna be litigation out the wazoo on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Already is. A vaccine mandated law passed by a state legislature has been upheld, as Liverpool referred to on the previous page. But a vaccine mandate via executive order or via an emergency temporary standard through OSHA (which is what Biden is doing) has never been ruled upon by SCOTUS. Is it legal? We will see, but I have my reservations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Even if it is legal though (or if a state mandates it), federal law is clear that you are exempted from it if a sincerely held religious belief prevents you from taking the vaccine and a reasonable accommodation (like working remote, working alone, or daily testing) exists that doesn't cause your employer an undue hardship.
Appreciate the info. Good stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Some good articles on how it breaks down out there if you google religious exemption to vaccine mandate. Or I can send you my power point if you're a nerd who really is interested, 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
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Originally Posted by Todd4State
You are not required to have beliefs that align 100% with a particular denomination. I'd say most people in any kind of church don't all agree on everything. All you need to do in requesting a religious exemption is to be sincere with your beliefs. Federal, state and local entities are required by the Constitution to not discriminate against religious people and the Supreme Court has said that religious rights remain intact even during a pandemic. I know many people who are opposed to the vaccines purely due to their use of aborted fetal cells in either use or testing. A very large hospital near me has started requiring those that seek a religious exemption based on that to also sign another form stating that they will refuse to take Tylenol, Ibuprofen, Claritin, Zoloft, etc as those were developed using aborted fetal cells as well (it was big news story around here).Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
This:
"It doesn't matter if he's catholic or not. SCOTUS has been clear that your request for a religious exception does not have to be founded upon any tenant of any recognized religion. I can invent my own religion and be the only person who subscribes to it and it is valid so long as it is my sincerely held belief. The EEOC has cautioned employers about this." Confucius Say
I'm gonna go do some research on it and I may take you up on the PowerPoint. I'm always interested in learning and especially about this that's affecting so many people. Appreciate the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
The mandate is gonna look really silly when we look back in about 5 years. Anyone with common sense knows this will be like the flu and be with us for eternity due to it having animal hosts. Its all a power play and some people take it hook line and sinker.
There's an easy solution for this. Take the tin foil hat off and just get the damn vaccine.
you might not get officially fired, you'll just not officially get paid. eazy peazyQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Can't I just self identify as "vaccinated"...? Surely that should count, right?
I can't give you anymore rep! Nice one!Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Amazing this time last year it was all those on the left that had the tin foil hat on. They didn't take it off until early November last year. I'm trying to put my finger on exactly what happened around that time that changed their minds almost immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by skadoosh14
Yes everyone that wants to take the shot should and everyone that does not should be able to make that choice. Government mandating it is just going to make more people hesitant anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by skadoosh14
Apparently not. Every other story in the news these days is about how yet again 99% of employees of whatever company got vaccinated after a mandate was put into place.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
Yeah. After the fired all of the unvaccinated ones. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
No, that's the point. Even when you see a story about how some huge corporation or hospital fired a few hundred employees, it turns out to be less than 1% of the workforce almost every time. The vaccine mandates work, regardless of how people feel about them theoretically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
People have got to stop looking at it through that right v left lens. I can guarantee you 95% of physicians were not changing their stance as pro vaccine based on the election result.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
People should also stop arguing in bad faith and recognize the clear difference in "I wouldn't take the vaccine on the orders of X politician - it would have to be approved by scientists" and "I'm not taking the vaccine period" rather than dishonestly trying to draw an equivalence between the two. But of course people often don't do what they should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
I agree. But politicians did. Including our VP, admittedly. They all suck and most are evil. They work for us, not the other way around. Our republic is built on that rock. At some point that's been lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
The only thing that will get them in trouble is if they have real discrepancies in how they handle exemptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
No, it doesn't. Even if he were Catholic, it wouldn't do it. There are times that the Pope speaks for the Church, but not every stupid thing the Pope says become doctrine thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Really doesn't matter if they are applying the law correctly. All that matters on that part of the test is that it is a sincere religious belief. The entire point of religious exemptions is to protect those outside of mainstream. Until recently, you didn't really need a religious exemption for mainstream positions because there weren't really places beyond the municipal level that an animus towards religion was actually a winning political message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
That's probably not what Biden is doing. As soon as the ETS is put in place, it will be challenged and should be enjoined. The announcement of the ETS is just to give employers cover to put mandates in place. The longer it drags out between the announcement and actually doing something that can be legally challenged, the better for the employers trying to use it as an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Those are the two that most often object to things like vaccines. If they approve then a religious objection should be almost impossible to get approved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
You have it exactly backwards. Now you are correct the best is having covid first and then getting the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Desantis can't get into the WH soon enough
Actually I think people should stop pretending like what our disaster of a Vice President was doing was anything other than playing politics with people's lives. She didn't want Trump to get credit for the vaccine, so she sowed doubt and hesitancy in people's minds. Period. To suggest anything else is just mind-numbingly ignorant. If her doing that killed a few hundred or thousand people, she could care less. And anyone defending it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
There have been vaccine mandates for generations in order to attend public school. Why is everyone so pissed off over this one?
I think it is because of the internet and social media. There is misinformation ranging from bold faced lies to partial truths that has created a divide between groups.
If you have a stance, there is a place you can go to reinforce your beliefs on the internet. We aren't living in the information age but the misinformation age.
Among the major news sources the worst offenders are FOX, CNN and MSNBC. I find ABC & CBS are much less biased and I prefer BBC. I find BBC the least biased. I see them reporting US News from an outsiders view point which I find refreshing.
Oh well, this pandemic surely is coming to a close. We should be getting closer to that herd immunity thingy at some point. At least that's my story and I am sticking to it.
Well unfortunately covid chose me after I was vaccinated, lol. but have also had the antibody test after covid and my levels are higher than with just the vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Gee I wonder why? Maybe its because it stems from a virus that was created in a lab by a country that has their hand in manipulating everything in this world to benefit them, through corporations, paying off politicians, pharma. And at a time a certain political party went batshit crazy cause a certain someone was elected president a few years back and decided to turn the world upside down to not have him re-elected. And then use every tactic imaginable to divide the country by creating all these lockdowns and mandates, with using a vaccine that was created in record time without testing, for something that is just as beatable without the vax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Nah, that can't be it. Probably people just scared of needles.
Nailed itQuote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Some employers require the flu shot. This one is deadlier and more debilitating than the flu. It causes way more missed work time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg
That too but it's better the other way around. What you had backwards is natural immunity being better than the vaccine. Most reputable studies show exactly the opposite. There have been a few that have been seized on by certain media outlets that show the other way, but the preponderance of the evidence so far says the vaccines do better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
You need to take off the tinfoil hat.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Actually you can't all of a sudden adopt a "sincere religious belief" to get around something you don't like. It has to be a previously held belief that you have evidence of. It also generally has to be consistent with a known religious sect and you must have had a previous and current association with that sect. You can't just make up your own religion to get out of something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
And thats fine if a private company wants to mandate a shot but the government mandating it will only make things worse and more divided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Why? You had to take government mandated vaccines when you were a kid. Government vaccine mandates have been around, and legal, since vaccines have. George Washington even mandated small pox inoculation for the Continental Army. It helped us win our independence because the British didn't and their army here suffered terribly from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BayouDawg