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09-25-2021, 08:52 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

We don't have the QB right now to carve up a drop 8 zone. Maybe Will gets there but I doubt it. Leach needs to help out Will and have a run game to mix in. As long as they are rushing 3 we run the ball.

I agree we don't have the right QB. Not going to debate that
09-25-2021, 08:52 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Are we not scoring against prevent Ds in the 4th quarters?

I'll talk more about this tomorrow but actually no. LSU since they were up 18 in the 4th started trying some other shit and got burned doing it
09-25-2021, 08:54 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

LSU went to a 4 man rush because we kept running the ball.

They spend the 4th quarter rushing 4

I'm just as frustrated as you, but I do think we're getting better fast, even if it's not being converted into big points yet

LSU played more 4-1 in the 4th but they still played some 3-8. They were trying some other shit because the DC was bored out of his mind
09-25-2021, 08:54 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'll talk more about this tomorrow but actually no. LSU since they were up 18 in the 4th started trying some other shit and got burned doing it

Looks like they started rushing 4

From what I see, the offense works well between the 20 but we need some red zone adjustments
09-25-2021, 08:55 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

LSU played more 4-1 in the 4th but they still played some 3-8. They were trying some other shit because the DC was bored out of his mind

Did La Tech & Memphis do the same in the 4th because the DC got bored?
09-25-2021, 08:56 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

This bud how I measure improvement and direction of the program.... pay attention

W=wins Anything else is bull shit. If I pay a coach 5MM a year his ass better win in year 2.

5 million a year is just the price to play poker. Tired of hearing everyone mention this. It's the cost of doing business in the sec now a days.
09-25-2021, 08:56 PM
Dieharddawg

And how many games did y’all win? Playing against how many quality teams? And how far did y’all go in the playoffs?
09-25-2021, 08:56 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Did La Tech & Memphis do the same in the 4th because the DC got bored?

Yes. Why teams get away from the 2 high late in games puzzles me
09-25-2021, 08:57 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Dieharddawg

And how many games did y’all win? Playing against how many quality teams? And how far did y’all go in the playoffs?

my job was to score and control the clock when asked. Thats what I controlled
09-25-2021, 08:59 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes. Why teams get away from the 2 high late in games puzzles me

So teams play prevent the entire game against us cause we cant move the ball against it. But when we do move the ball its because the defense went to prevent? Im not following the logic.
09-25-2021, 09:03 PM
Boya

I’m back in on Leach for now.

While his offense goes against everything I think about offensive scheme and play calling, I like the way his team plays hard.

We are sloppy and undisciplined right now and maybe that is a function of youth.

All this yap about he won’t change and this offense is shit is in my opinion premature and just the talk of upset fans.

With that being said, this is a QB driven Offense and we better coach up the current dude or find a new one quick.
09-25-2021, 09:04 PM
Matt3467
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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yes, it sucks really, really bad that we lost the game, especially after playing well enough to win except on a couple of breakdown plays, but I'm not seeing all the negativity here as warranted. It seems like today was a step in the right direction.

Offensively we played well enough to win, racking up 486 yards and 29 first downs on a much more talented defense than we've seen all season. That's the most yards we've had during the Leach Era, other than Costello's 623 yard stomping of LSU in game 1.
More importantly, we threw it down the field more than we've been doing. Austin Williams is figuring out how to get open in the drop 8 and make plays, and Makai Polk is establishing himself as a reliable go-to guy. We haven't clicked yet, but we may go way beyond 486 once we do - we certainly could have today with better execution.
We ran the ball more today, by both attempts and yardage. This offense will be even better when we're running for 100 yards each game.
Both the OL and DL played better.
The defense ... was mostly solid, but had not 1, not 2, but 3 absolute disasters that all led to TDs. Clean that up, and the game resembles our 2017 game with them.

Anyway, I'm in a bad mood that we should have won and blew it, but given the strength of opponent, and how last year + the first 3 games of this year went, I don't think a meltdown is warranted, at least not from a perspective of "I told you the Air Raid can't win SEC games!!!" since the offense was more than good enough to get the win and we're moving in the direction that the same people have clamored to move.

I think a lot of people just never liked Leach and are eager to complain about him any time we lose, regardless of how the game actually went.
Thank goodness for a rational post.
09-25-2021, 09:05 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

So teams play prevent the entire game against us cause we cant move the ball against it. .

Teams play Prevent against us to avoid the big plays like LSU did against us today. They know we wont exploit it by running the ball. They know we will move the ball against the Prevent. They expect us to turn the ball over, get penalties, or stop us before we score on them. And they are usually right playing us that way
09-25-2021, 09:05 PM
Dieharddawg

I’m sure you are a good coach. But don’t be a me guy.
09-25-2021, 09:06 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Yes. Why teams get away from the 2 high late in games puzzles me

Gotcha.
09-25-2021, 09:07 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Teams play Prevent against us to avoid the big plays like LSU did against us today. They know we wont exploit it by running the ball. They know we will move the ball against the Prevent. They expect us to turn the ball over, get penalties, or stop us before we score on them. And they are usually right playing us that way

What happens when we clean up the mistakes though? Teams content with us scoring every drive? Not saying Im in love with the scheme but I see a team that mostly beats itself.
09-25-2021, 09:07 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

So teams play prevent the entire game against us cause we cant move the ball against it. But when we do move the ball its because the defense went to prevent? Im not following the logic.

The entire deal is confusing
09-25-2021, 09:08 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Boya

I’m back in on Leach for now.

While his offense goes against everything I think about offensive scheme and play calling, I like the way his team plays hard.

We are sloppy and undisciplined right now and maybe that is a function of youth.

All this yap about he won’t change and this offense is shit is in my opinion premature and just the talk of upset fans.

With that being said, this is a QB driven Offense and we better coach up the current dude or find a new one quick.

Great post
09-25-2021, 09:10 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Teams play Prevent against us to avoid the big plays like LSU did against us today. They know we wont exploit it by running the ball. They know we will move the ball against the Prevent. They expect us to turn the ball over, get penalties, or stop us before we score on them. And they are usually right playing us that way

You’d think we would get better at this as our QB and WRs get more experience in this scheme.

I’d be curious if DCs played Leach the exact same way at Wazzou and Tech until the team showed they could beat it. Then the offense took off because defenses had to do different things.
09-25-2021, 09:12 PM
memsu06

We had more rushing yards than LSU today.

Take away the defense sleeping on 2 of their plays and the dumb special teams penalty and we win.

Take away the awful punt return against Memphis and we're 4-0.

The only thing keeping this team from progressing is them.
09-25-2021, 09:12 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

What happens when we clean up the mistakes though? Teams content with us scoring every drive? Not saying Im in love with the scheme but I see a team that mostly beats itself.

This is what happens as Leach is at a school for a while. The prevent works until the program masters the offense and then all hell breaks loose because they can’t just sit back in that defense. They’re forced to blitz and then get burned.
09-25-2021, 09:16 PM
memsu06

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Originally Posted by Boya

I’m back in on Leach for now.

While his offense goes against everything I think about offensive scheme and play calling, I like the way his team plays hard.

We are sloppy and undisciplined right now and maybe that is a function of youth.

All this yap about he won’t change and this offense is shit is in my opinion premature and just the talk of upset fans.

With that being said, this is a QB driven Offense and we better coach up the current dude or find a new one quick.

Good points.

Also, all the people complaining about Will not hitting open receivers. Well, that also tells me this offense is working if you got open receivers everywhere. The trick is getting the ball to them. We got to figure that out, and when we do I think we're in for some good times.
09-25-2021, 09:19 PM
Coach34

Thats the thing- we dont have have WR's open errywhere
09-25-2021, 09:23 PM
Dak Holliday

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Thats the thing- we dont have have WR's open errywhere

How is it that so many arm chair quarterbacks want their observations respected, but completely disregard/doubt football scheme with an actual coach? 34, I haven?t always agreed with your posts, but I think you?ve been spot on for a while concerning Leach.
09-25-2021, 09:27 PM
Matt3467

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

You play to win the game. If we had had 120 yards passing and 60 yards rushing and win the game. People would feel better. Yea, there would have been the usual complaining about offensive production stat wise. But like Auburn fans right now, most of them are delirious even though they trailed to G5 Georgia State for 59 minutes and 15 seconds today.

If we have 180yds of offense but still won this board would continue to be in an uproar.
09-25-2021, 09:29 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by Dak Holliday

How is it that so many arm chair quarterbacks want their observations respected, but completely disregard/doubt football scheme with an actual coach? 34, I haven?t always agreed with your posts, but I think you?ve been spot on for a while concerning Leach.

To be fair he also wanted Mullen gone and nicknamed Dak check down Charlie. I generally like his input but to act like hes bear Bryant is a bit of a stretch.
09-25-2021, 09:34 PM
Dak Holliday

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This is what happens as Leach is at a school for a while. The prevent works until the program masters the offense and then all hell breaks loose because they can’t just sit back in that defense. They’re forced to blitz and then get burned.

Please remind me, how many Big 12/ PAC 10 Championships did he win during the seasons on mastery? I?d honestly like to know, because it seems more like that the mastery only happens once every 5-6 yrs or it?s not quite as magical as the picture you?re painting. I?m not the looking to fuss, but don?t piss on my head and tell me it?s raining.
09-25-2021, 09:38 PM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by memsu06

We had more rushing yards than LSU today.

Take away the defense sleeping on 2 of their plays and the dumb special teams penalty and we win.

Take away the awful punt return against Memphis and we're 4-0.

The only thing keeping this team from progressing is them.

Take away all the times I failed a test in college and I would have had a 4.0. 17 playing the what if game. That's what losers do and right now that's what we are. We've played 4 games. Lost 2 of them and almost lost 3...all to what should have been inferior opponents. There is no sugar coating that. No glossing it over. No moral victories. No golly gee we'll get em next time. If the only thing keeping us from progressing is ourselves then maybe the guys we're paying millions of dollars to need to figure some things the 17 out.
09-25-2021, 09:39 PM
Dak Holliday

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

To be fair he also wanted Mullen gone and nicknamed Dak check down Charlie. I generally like his input but to act like hes bear Bryant is a bit of a stretch.

No, I get that. I dislike much of his opinion, but his talk about actual game strategy is typically pretty spot on. I guess I better pull it back a bit. He will get the big head. I guess it?s easy to agree with him on this for me.
On a separate note, this forum would be much easier if there was a like button Vs having to make a post to agree.
09-25-2021, 09:41 PM
MoreCowbell

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This game was never in doubt for LSU today

Thats what Im saying?what were these fools watching. The score was not indicative of that ass kicking at all. We suck
09-25-2021, 09:52 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

If you reject "pulling stats," how else are you measuring whether we're getting better or worse? Does it mean nothing to you that in SEC games 3-6 we averaged 220 YPG and then in SEC games 7-11 we improved to 400? Yeah, I wish we were better than 3-8 in SEC games, but stats can tell us if we're going in the right direction way better than feelings, eye test, etc.

And stats tell us that we ran more, like people have been wanting. And stats tell us that we didn't have as many 1-yard dumpoffs to the RBs, like people have been wanting.

It is simple. There is a very simple eye test that works with every single team in the nation. I am going to quickly go through which teams are playing good football and which are not.

UF- Good team
GA- Good Team
UK - Good Team
Mizzu- getting better
Tenn - Looking Better Today
Bama Good
Auburn not good
LSU not good
aTm not good
Ark Good
MSU not good
UM good.

Simple. No stats needed.
09-25-2021, 09:59 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by MoreCowbell

Thats what Im saying?what were these fools watching. The score was not indicative of that ass kicking at all. We suck

Agreed. At no time did it seem like we could win after the first fumble. And at no time did it look like we were going to stop them.
09-25-2021, 10:19 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by Coach34

This game was never in doubt for LSU today

It was never in doubt after the fumble.

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