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09-05-2021, 05:36 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

First place holder in MSU history to throw for 370 yards 83 percent completions and 3 tds with one pick

Houston Baptist put 38 on them last year. Will has plenty of opportunity ahead of him this season.
09-05-2021, 05:38 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

The ol problem on twist and stunts is the spacing. Mason has been very vocal about this with Leach and told him it had to change. He?s told myself and others in private meetings that the speed and strength across the d front isn?t something they?ve had to deal with week in and week out before.

I agree with this.
09-05-2021, 05:42 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

The ol problem on twist and stunts is the spacing. Mason has been very vocal about this with Leach and told him it had to change. He?s told myself and others in private meetings that the speed and strength across the d front isn?t something they?ve had to deal with week in and week out before.

They have seen plenty of La Techs in their day. This is more than a talent on defense being too much issue, even though they were not as bad as some are trying to make them seem because we have to protect Will Rogers image at all costs apparently.
09-05-2021, 06:10 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

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Originally Posted by Jarius

They have seen plenty of La Techs in their day. This is more than a talent on defense being too much issue, even though they were not as bad as some are trying to make them seem because we have to protect Will Rogers image at all costs apparently.

Seriously all these "sec is too fast!" Or "we need more talent!" Posts are idiotic because we just played LOUISIANA TECH! They don't have SEC anything. Wazzou beat teams better than LT with recruiting classes in the 70s.

So no, the issue isn't with SEC anything. We have far far far more basic issues with getting this system working. When we beat bad teams like Leach teams of old, THEN we can evaluate the Air Raid, wide splits, etc. Till we can block a 3 man rush with a twist by LT, we can't say the system doesn't work in the SEC
09-05-2021, 07:09 PM
msstate7

Not sure we'll ever be good enough at tackle to handle sec DEs on an island

ETA... now as much as I hate our blocking scheme, yesterday, we shoulda been talented enough to handle them
09-05-2021, 07:23 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Houston Baptist put 38 on them last year. Will has plenty of opportunity ahead of him this season.

Yeah before 19 transfers. You know as well as I do shit happens sometimes
09-05-2021, 07:24 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Not sure we'll ever be good enough at tackle to handle sec DEs on an island

ETA... now as much as I hate our blocking scheme, yesterday, we shoulda been talented enough to handle them

I agree but Lashley has never played really in college, Dolla Bill never played really. Cross was good for most of the day but got beat one time and allowed the strip sack. They will get better. We are huge up front they will figure it out. We should be much better at zone this year
09-05-2021, 07:39 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I agree but Lashley has never played really in college, Dolla Bill never played really. Cross was good for most of the day but got beat one time and allowed the strip sack. They will get better. We are huge up front they will figure it out. We should be much better at zone this year

Which gets back to what Wyatt was taking about on his pod earlier this week - the talent is there, but it has little experience. It's going to take some time for it to gel.
09-05-2021, 07:49 PM
R2Dawg

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I think a lot of it has to do with our recruiting of OL and DL players. Every time I see a commitment mentioned I'm hoping that it is a DL or OL player. Most of the time, however, it is a W/R or D/B. Seems like that has been our problem forever, and if you can't get quality linemen, you are not going to be a great team.

Totally agree here. This is a bigger issue to MSU long term. We have always gotten these guys. Leach isn't interested. He only wants to recruit a few positions - QB and WR.

In the SEC, we gotta get the trenches, best available especially in Miss. Just seems like that isn't happening anymore. That could do way more damage long term than his air raid stuff he has brought in here.
09-05-2021, 08:21 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Which gets back to what Wyatt was taking about on his pod earlier this week - the talent is there, but it has little experience. It's going to take some time for it to gel.

Yes and they really did play well in the 4th quarter. Now let's hope we can carry that forward.
09-05-2021, 08:30 PM
OLJWales

Seems forever since we've had a Chris Jones...j Simmons....montez sweat and that bad ass from zoo town playin in Philly.. Now I remember. Fletcher Cox
09-05-2021, 08:38 PM
Bass Chaser

C34 - Reality check. State will never hire who you want in any sport. Give it up.
09-05-2021, 09:38 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Bass Chaser

C34 - Reality check. State will never hire who you want in any sport. Give it up.

Unless they hired c34 himself
09-05-2021, 09:41 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Unless they hired c34 himself

You're kidding right?
09-05-2021, 09:44 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Catfish

You're kidding right?

I thought that was understood 😂

Although I'm sure it would make him happy.
09-05-2021, 09:44 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Bass Chaser

C34 - Reality check. State will never hire who you want in any sport. Give it up.

Not even remotely true

We made the perfect hire in Mullen. Loved him. Only problems I had with him was not spending the money on Cam, giving up too easy on out of state 4 stars, and his constant job shopping. I wasnt against the Jovester hiring but he showed quickly he wasnt the guy for the job. I like Leach alot as a person. He is funny, smartass, and a conservative. Not to mention I love the beach as well. I just hate his offense. He will adjust or the SEC will teach him that lesson. I thought they already had in match-ups prior to coming to the SEC.

I loved the Howland hire. I was surprised it happened but underestimated how much Adidas wanted their guy back in college basketball. Been good for us and this year looks like it could be very exciting.

Lemon has proven to be a good hire. I dont agree with the extreme dependence on analytics and the pitching decisions drive me crazy at times but he recruits his ass off. His teams are tough. He is our guy for the next 15 years unless he ****s it up somehow.
09-05-2021, 09:57 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

agreed. RB's caught over 100 passes last season. Had 12 catches yesterday. It's hard to watch

Let me ask this, what's the difference in short passes that gain 5 yds or short runs? Because if we ran it for 5 yds/carry we would say we shoved it up their a**! But if we hit short passes for the same yardage, the O sucks and is hard to watch. I don't care if we run it 50 times a game or pass it 50 times a game as long as it's affective and we win.
09-05-2021, 10:05 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Let me ask this, what's the difference in short passes that gain 5 yds or short runs? Because if we ran it for 5 yds/carry we would say we shoved it up their a**! But if we hit short passes for the same yardage, the O sucks and is hard to watch. I don't care if we run it 50 times a game or pass it 50 times a game as long as it's affective and we win.

It’s a lot easier to get holding penalties that kill drives when you throw it every down and if you dink and dunk all day you can’t afford to get those penalties.
09-05-2021, 10:17 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It’s a lot easier to get holding penalties that kill drives when you throw it every down and if you dink and dunk all day you can’t afford to get those penalties.

You can be disciplined and not commit penalties then. But you never answered any of my questions.
09-05-2021, 10:23 PM
Bothrops

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

Seems forever since we've had a Chris Jones...j Simmons....montez sweat and that bad ass from zoo town playin in Philly

Yep, and it doesn't look like we'll be getting those type guys again.
09-05-2021, 10:53 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

You can be disciplined and not commit penalties then. But you never answered any of my questions.

I mean if we start doing that then there is no difference but we have not done that so far and it is much easier to be disciplined and not commit penalties run blocking 60 % of the time against future first round draft picks on SEC DL’s. This offense has a higher ceiling if we can actually run it. Hopefully we can get the right athletes at the right spots to do just that.
09-05-2021, 11:04 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It?s a lot easier to get holding penalties that kill drives when you throw it every down and if you dink and dunk all day you can?t afford to get those penalties.

Umm...this isn't true at all. I know from experience

7 yards per attempt is not dink and dunk
09-05-2021, 11:07 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I mean if we start doing that then there is no difference but we have not done that so far and it is much easier to be disciplined and not commit penalties run blocking 60 % of the time against future first round draft picks on SEC DL’s. This offense has a higher ceiling if we can actually run it. Hopefully we can get the right athletes at the right spots to do just that.

Maybe we have the right athletes, it's just that they are all true sophomores
09-06-2021, 08:33 AM
chef dixon

One of the main problems with using the short passing game as your running game is a tipped pass or drop is just killer for the drive.
09-06-2021, 08:53 AM
Dolphus Raymond

Next Saturday will tell the tale. We win by 2 touchdowns.
09-06-2021, 08:57 AM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Umm...this isn't true at all. I know from experience

7 yards per attempt is not dink and dunk

You do realize that 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 25 = 40.....40 divided by 6 = 7 yds per attempt. But anybody with a brain would say just bc we had one 25 yard gain in those 6 passes, we still dinked and dunked bc the other 5 were 3 yard plays.

My point is, you're making it out like we literally threw 7 yard passes every play, but we didn't. It's an average that can be greatly skewed by a few big gains. I want Leach to win, but cherry picking numbers to try and polish the turd of an offense we've seen a majority of his tenure so far here, isn't helping defend him.
09-06-2021, 09:25 AM
Dawgface

I believe a 4-5 win season is very possible. Hell at the start of the 4th qtr a one win season looked possible. Need another game to see how the season shakes out. If we somehow put it together Saturday and win then a 7 win season is possible. I'm not overly optimistic but I'm always a pessimist. Ha
09-06-2021, 09:26 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You do realize that 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 25 = 40.....40 divided by 6 = 7 yds per attempt. But anybody with a brain would say just bc we had one 25 yard gain in those 6 passes, we still dinked and dunked bc the other 5 were 3 yard plays.

My point is, you're making it out like we literally threw 7 yard passes every play, but we didn't. It's an average that can be greatly skewed by a few big gains. I want Leach to win, but cherry picking numbers to try and polish the turd of an offense we've seen a majority of his tenure so far here, isn't helping defend him.

Yea but still.
09-06-2021, 09:28 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Maybe we have the right athletes, it's just that they are all true sophomores

I sure hope so.
09-07-2021, 09:17 AM
Dolphus Raymond

We?ll know a lot more about this team Saturday. Is the sky falling or is it growing pains? As I said previously, coming from behind by three scores in the 4th quarter was impressive as I had already given up any hope of winning. However, the fact that we trailed La Tech and had to come from behind is most definitely concerning.
09-08-2021, 02:42 AM
ScoobaDawg

It was a most frustrating win. I believe in dropping my win prediction from 7 to 6.
09-08-2021, 09:49 AM
dawgman15

Why are people mad that we are averaging 7.9 yards per attempt. We're gaining almost 8 yards every time we attempt to throw the ball, not just catch it. When was the last time we averaged 7.9 per rush for all of you saying to RTGDF every game
09-08-2021, 09:53 AM
QuadrupleOption

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

Totally agree here. This is a bigger issue to MSU long term. We have always gotten these guys. Leach isn't interested. He only wants to recruit a few positions - QB and WR.

In the SEC, we gotta get the trenches, best available especially in Miss. Just seems like that isn't happening anymore. That could do way more damage long term than his air raid stuff he has brought in here.

Leach was quoted the other day saying the o line was the most important unit in the offense. You think he's going to say that and then NOT get offensive linemen?
09-08-2021, 10:00 AM
QuadrupleOption

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

You do realize that 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 25 = 40.....40 divided by 6 = 7 yds per attempt. But anybody with a brain would say just bc we had one 25 yard gain in those 6 passes, we still dinked and dunked bc the other 5 were 3 yard plays.

My point is, you're making it out like we literally threw 7 yard passes every play, but we didn't. It's an average that can be greatly skewed by a few big gains. I want Leach to win, but cherry picking numbers to try and polish the turd of an offense we've seen a majority of his tenure so far here, isn't helping defend him.

One exercise for me would be to remove throws to the RB position from the calculations. Those are basically hand-offs in any other offense. Even the dump-offs are a result of Will not seeing open WRs, or there not being any open WRs downfield and just trying to get something before moving on to the next play.

In any event, just looking at the completions to the WR position, everyone but Polk had >10 yards per reception. I'd like more of those but the only issue with our Offense Saturday was sloppy O line play. If that gets cleaned up we'll be okay. We aren't winning the SEC but we'll be okay.
09-08-2021, 09:52 PM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

One of the main problems with using the short passing game as your running game is a tipped pass or drop is just killer for the drive.

What's difference in a drop for no gain or a run for no gain?

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