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09-02-2021, 11:04 PM
starkvegasdawg

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

That, I do not know. We have 100 deals. Ranging from 3.50 yes three dollars and 50 cents to 3600.

Imma need about tree fiddy.
09-02-2021, 11:05 PM
msstate7

Elitedawgs can sponsor the back up qb. Six pack can sponsor #17 every year
09-02-2021, 11:19 PM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I could see Arkansas, UK, Ole Miss, Tenn, all moving ahead of us. Once UT and OU joing the conference, we could find ourselves in the 14-15 range in the conference ahead of only Vandy and maybe Mizzou. We sort of had our glory years under Mullen. We better step it up.

Even with OU and TX, we all share the money evenly regardless of where we finish. Keep the register ringing and upgrading facilities and we'll get quality athletes. Guarantee you there is no "new" booster money flowing into college football that wasn't already there.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Elitedawgs can sponsor the back up qb. Six pack can sponsor #17 every year

Would rather see it put into baseball here. Why expend resources in an area where even at your best you'll be average or below. Might as well throw into an area where we know we can compete and win.
09-02-2021, 11:23 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Even with OU and TX, we all share the money evenly regardless of where we finish. Keep the register ringing and upgrading facilities and we'll get quality athletes. Guarantee you there is no "new" booster money flowing into college football that wasn't already there.

Would rather see it put into baseball here. Why expend resources in an area where even at your best you'll be average or below. Might as well throw into an area where we know we can compete and win.

It appears we talking about $5-20 dollars
09-02-2021, 11:27 PM
HoopsDawg

baseball: goal should be for all 35 roster players to have full rides. Anything above that is gravy

basketball: continue to do it the old fashioned way, under the table payments.

football: not sure. it's probably a losing proposition for a business. have some autograph signings maybe. the way we are recruiting high school players, i would focus on becoming transfer U. make it known as clear as we can that if you come to MSU thru the transfer portal there will be some NIL deals waiting for you. paying x amount of dollars to our QB won't accomplish much. but paying every transfer player 10K seems doable.
09-03-2021, 03:47 AM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I laugh at these comments. Why don't you pony up then?? Easy to spend everyone else's money isn't it.

you are not getting it
09-03-2021, 05:12 AM
bulldawg28

The University should take 1 million from the athletic fund for each Big 4 sport and use for NIL. Or take $5 from each ticket sold and put towards NIL. We just have to help ourselves.
09-03-2021, 05:46 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

What are you talking about. I literally just saw a video of them painting a Hail State in one of the end zones

People are giving our grounds guy shit on Twitter because we aren't painting the end zones maroon and we are only using simple white everywhere except the MState logo. He's tried to explain that we have Thursday practice in the stadium so they have limited time and only 4 guys, and that maroon kills the grass in the heat of September - and our typical shithead know it all fans are blasting a pro whose athletic fields win national awards every year.
09-03-2021, 06:21 AM
Maroonthirteen

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

The University should take 1 million from the athletic fund for each Big 4 sport and use for NIL. Or take $5 from each ticket sold and put towards NIL. We just have to help ourselves.

You do realize, by rule, the university can't do that.

Unless you are suggesting they create a false expense on the books and move money to a private individual who manages the bank account, hiring players and payments etc. Now, I'm certain another school would do that....but State isn't.
09-03-2021, 07:09 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

That's a fair point. But it's all relative. Obviously we're not going to compete with a Bama, Georgia, OSU, Texas, etc. in this NIL deal. But we weren't with the previous system either. So what's changed?

What we have to do, is compete with the other fish our size in the pond (e.g., OM, Ark, SC, KY, etc.). I guarantee you OM is already 10 steps ahead of us in this game, for a number of reasons. The fact we have never really taken recruiting seriously, however, will likely prove to be a symptomatic to why we don't succeed in this new system. Its up to the schools to go out and facilitate these relationships. They can do it any number of ways. Tax write offs. Perks. Box seats. Booster access. Etc.

What's depressing, though, is we have the potential to succeed in this system...but we still have too much "ole mississippi state" in us, and we refuse to change with the times.

We're afraid to pay money in fear that we'll just drive up the price & still get outbid by blue bloods

The longer I live the more I realize why our state is close to 50 in everything.
09-03-2021, 07:12 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Elitedawgs can sponsor the back up qb. Six pack can sponsor #17 every year

I like this idea. Individually we cant make much of a difference but collectively as a whole this board could sponsor one player to endorse the site and ALL or most of us together pitching in could get well above $3.50 I'm certain.
I know your quote has an element of sarcasm but whoever the player was could be determined. I just don't know how or even if it's legal to reach out to a recruit to offer this
09-03-2021, 07:15 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen

OHSt defeats Minnesota for the 46th time in 53 games. OHSt has won 12 in a row and 28 of last 29 v Minnesota. College football needs a reorganization anyways.

The sport does need reorganization, but the reorganization shouldn't be to separate Ohio State from Minnesota. Minnesota has a great fan base, a great stadium, & a ton of fan potential. The reorganization needs to give Minnesota a chance so their fan base can grow.

The only way for college football to grow is for more teams to have hope. People in Minnesota are never going to be Ohio State or Michigan fans. If Minnesota sucks, they'll just follow the Vikings or Twins more. The only way for the market share of college to increase is for parity rules that help give more teams a chance to compete
09-03-2021, 07:17 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Even with OU and TX, we all share the money evenly regardless of where we finish. Keep the register ringing and upgrading facilities and we'll get quality athletes. Guarantee you there is no "new" booster money flowing into college football that wasn't already there.

Would rather see it put into baseball here. Why expend resources in an area where even at your best you'll be average or below. Might as well throw into an area where we know we can compete and win.

College football is king & most important to our university. Taking resources away from football to give to baseball is a grave grave mistake.
09-03-2021, 07:18 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

People are giving our grounds guy shit on Twitter because we aren't painting the end zones maroon and we are only using simple white everywhere except the MState logo. He's tried to explain that we have Thursday practice in the stadium so they have limited time and only 4 guys, and that maroon kills the grass in the heat of September - and our typical shithead know it all fans are blasting a pro whose athletic fields win national awards every year.

Then why can most other schools pain their field? I think the guy is just lazy
09-03-2021, 07:56 AM
StateDawg44

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Then why can most other schools pain their field? I think the guy is just lazy

How would painting it maroon instead of white require him putting forth more effort or be less lazy?
09-03-2021, 08:05 AM
Todd4State

If we were smart and proactive MSU would give a business some money from the profit we receive and then the business "gives" that money back to the players.

Too often in football we find reasons why we can't and not enough solutions to reach our maximum. If we did that in baseball we would not have a National Championship. It's like we're afraid to try because we may fail and it's just easier to fail if we expect it and have an excuse like "why don't you give money then to fix it."

Think about it- most everyone agrees that we're going to find a way to pay our baseball players way but we can't find a way to supplement our football players?
09-03-2021, 08:40 AM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If we were smart and proactive MSU would give a business some money from the profit we receive and then the business "gives" that money back to the players.

Too often in football we find reasons why we can't and not enough solutions to reach our maximum. If we did that in baseball we would not have a National Championship. It's like we're afraid to try because we may fail and it's just easier to fail if we expect it and have an excuse like "why don't you give money then to fix it."

Think about it- most everyone agrees that we're going to find a way to pay our baseball players way but we can't find a way to supplement our football players?

Seems logical. But OP would rather a professor step up and sponsor a player. Lolz. OM will have no problem finding a business to sponsor a player we want, even though it won't help their ROI, and said business will write it off as a business expense.
09-03-2021, 08:46 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

People are giving our grounds guy shit on Twitter because we aren't painting the end zones maroon and we are only using simple white everywhere except the MState logo. He's tried to explain that we have Thursday practice in the stadium so they have limited time and only 4 guys, and that maroon kills the grass in the heat of September - and our typical shithead know it all fans are blasting a pro whose athletic fields win national awards every year.

This!
09-03-2021, 08:49 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If we were smart and proactive MSU would give a business some money from the profit we receive and then the business "gives" that money back to the players.

Too often in football we find reasons why we can't and not enough solutions to reach our maximum. If we did that in baseball we would not have a National Championship. It's like we're afraid to try because we may fail and it's just easier to fail if we expect it and have an excuse like "why don't you give money then to fix it."

Think about it- most everyone agrees that we're going to find a way to pay our baseball players way but we can't find a way to supplement our football players?

Yep.
09-03-2021, 09:16 AM
Gutter Cobreh

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

College football is king & most important to our university. Taking resources away from football to give to baseball is a grave grave mistake.

What resources are you talking about? The thread is about NIL, so how would allocating NIL deals to baseball instead of football hurt us? We'll still get our cut of SEC revenue, so those resources can still be allocated as they always have to upgrading facilities, etc.. I still don't think there is any new money being put into the sport, it's simply more visible today than it was before.
09-03-2021, 09:33 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Seems logical. But OP would rather a professor step up and sponsor a player. Lolz. OM will have no problem finding a business to sponsor a player we want, even though it won't help their ROI, and said business will write it off as a business expense.

No the OP would rather the professor not act like everyone is being lazy and cheap, while he doesn't do anything himself. But I'm sure you are sponsoring someone too, huh??? Birds of a feather.......................
09-03-2021, 09:40 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Then why can most other schools pain their field? I think the guy is just lazy

I think it is possible Leach having Thursday practice in the stadium is unusual in today's game (I could be wrong). And, I would assume COVID budget cutbacks and staffing shortages has probably left them short of people.
Frankly, I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt because he has helped us have the best playing surfaces in the country - hands down. I'll trade having field paint for having a top notch field in November so we don't spend a month playing in slop. Half the universities in the country can't even grow grass.
09-03-2021, 10:41 AM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

No the OP would rather the professor not act like everyone is being lazy and cheap, while he doesn't do anything himself. But I'm sure you are sponsoring someone too, huh??? Birds of a feather.......................

Don't try so hard to be a c^nt, please.
09-03-2021, 10:58 AM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

Don't try so hard to be a c^nt, please.

touchy , huh.....nice touch with the please after the name calling though, typical.
09-03-2021, 11:17 AM
OLJWales

$3600? At this rate, we won't be able to beat Jackson State in a few years.
09-03-2021, 11:25 AM
OLJWales

This is the bulshit I figured when I first heard about it. Unless there's some major changes we are so f****** football; I knew it was going to f*** us but I didn't think we were also going to be this retarded and lazy, looks like the f*** is going to come a lot quicker than I thought
09-03-2021, 11:32 AM
ScoobaDawg

All I know is I'm watching Surly fund $10k per TE in less than a month. I bring the idea over here and to 6pack and all I can say is everyone just complains we cant do that..we poorh.

When the Hell is Mississippi GONNA STOP Mississippi'ng and figure out we can do what others do. Do we start with pledging a total of 70k? Not likely. But Someone needs to get this sh!t setup and going for next year.
Hell as others said. Let's start it off with baseball because something can likely get going in time for the spring.
09-03-2021, 12:26 PM
bulldawg28

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

The University should take 1 million from the athletic fund for each Big 4 sport and use for NIL. Or take $5 from each ticket sold and put towards NIL. We just have to help ourselves.

If I'm paying for a ticket why couldn't I say a portion go towards NIL? Do I need to start an LLC and have fans donate $5 and then utilize for NIL?
09-03-2021, 12:33 PM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

If I'm paying for a ticket why couldn't I say a portion go towards NIL? Do I need to start an LLC and have fans donate $5 and then utilize for NIL?

You shouldn't have to. We're about to see if IB has what it takes. Any AD not on top of this needs replacing immediately.
09-03-2021, 01:14 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

If I'm paying for a ticket why couldn't I say a portion go towards NIL? Do I need to start an LLC and have fans donate $5 and then utilize for NIL?

The first part no. The second, yeah I think that's legal.
09-03-2021, 01:15 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

You shouldn't have to. We're about to see if IB has what it takes. Any AD not on top of this needs replacing immediately.

How is he supposed to do it?? He can't have anything to do with it.
09-03-2021, 01:43 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Honestly, from a football perspective only what kind of roi would a business get from using one of our current players?? Dak would have done well but we don't have a dak. I never thought this was a good idea for us.

Alumni would support a business that supported our school. If you are a starkville business that is dependent on the university and activity created by the university (which is going to be most businesses), you should probably be willing to put a decent amount into this, as the football team tanking is most likely going to hit your business pretty hard.
09-03-2021, 01:53 PM
chef dixon

This doesn't really change anything. If we don't have anyone currently on our roster more marketable/big time than that, it means we aren't getting better players anyway. We will keep getting the same quality, as will Bama.
09-03-2021, 02:28 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Alumni would support a business that supported our school. If you are a starkville business that is dependent on the university and activity created by the university (which is going to be most businesses), you should probably be willing to put a decent amount into this, as the football team tanking is most likely going to hit your business pretty hard.

Sure. But the ones they would use wouldn't be gaining anything. And certainly not any large amount of money. I'll use two examples, little dooey they wouldn't sell 1000k worrh of more food if they had NIL deal w will Rogers. The lodge, same way. There has to be a net gain for the business or at worst a draw unless you just like to throw your money away. And obviously, most well run businesses don't.
09-03-2021, 02:39 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

How is he supposed to do it?? He can't have anything to do with it.

I don't think a lot of folks understand the NIL money doesn't come from the school. This is setup so the player can get his own endorsements and be paid for it(i.e. cards, images, ads,whatever). The school isn't going to be paying the players.
09-03-2021, 02:43 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I get this mentality, but it doesn't have to be like that.

If we tried....just tried!....a little bit more...just a little...we could absolutely move up a peg or two. Taking what scraps are given to you and accepting the status quo is such a Larry Templeton move. Hell, for MSU it goes decades before him. How many years did we sell our home games to play in Jackson instead? How many decades did we accept having to play Bama, Georgia, LSU, while OM campaigned to have their schedule as lean as possible? Considering how old our football program is, and the fact we really only started giving a **** since the 1990's, it's a wonder we've accomplished what we have in such a short time, lol.

We just don?t have an administration that wants to make this a priority.
09-03-2021, 02:46 PM
IMissJack

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I don't think a lot of folks understand the NIL money doesn't come from the school. This is setup so the player can get his own endorsements and be paid for it(i.e. cards, images, ads,whatever). The school isn't going to be paying the players.

Agree, but I doubt Cohen has reached out to many donors to do something. Someone has to organize. If each alumni chapter raised $5,000, that would be better than we are currently.
09-03-2021, 02:48 PM
AROB44

This may be ancient news to some on here, but we DID have a pretty good network in the Tyler era. I know because I was in it. So to say we can't is just not true. It requires organization and people keeping their mouth shut (which seems to be a big problem with message boards and such).
09-03-2021, 03:01 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Sure. But the ones they would use wouldn't be gaining anything. And certainly not any large amount of money. I'll use two examples, little dooey they wouldn't sell 1000k worrh of more food if they had NIL deal w will Rogers. The lodge, same way. There has to be a net gain for the business or at worst a draw unless you just like to throw your money away. And obviously, most well run businesses don't.

It may not make a big different to lil dooey's, but for restaurants in general in Starkville, there is a big difference between averaging 7 wins over five years and 5 wins over five years. Same thing for the hotels. Same thing for developers doing condos and multiuse buidlings. Landlords, etc. Doesn't mean they need to pony up $10k a year, but they should be ponying up some unless they are in every SEC town and view it as pretty much zero sum.
09-03-2021, 03:15 PM
OLJWales

So what's stopping a cigar boy from going to a restaurant owner with a $20K check and asks if he'll use it for advertising. After T.V. station is paid, rest goes to our players in the commercial. Is it that simple?

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