Bulldogs were is our humanity. First time in my lifetime I am

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Not entirely correct. As of late last week, 3 of the ICU patients at UMC were FULLY VACCINATED.

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A couple of number comparisons...

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Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder

Not entirely correct. As of late last week, 3 of the ICU patients at UMC were FULLY VACCINATED.

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Also to add...

https://www.axios.com/unvaccinated-h...a22b9f214.html

https://www.wsfa.com/2021/08/23/94-a...-unvaccinated/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/vast-major...ry?id=79128401

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-vaccines.html

Vaccines? Na, don't trust 'em.....but give me that equine de-wormer purchased from the local co-op.**

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/he...a-e8618b35d9fd

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/10302...misinformation

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...ovid-fda-urges

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I had to get vaccines to attend MSU. Not sure how this is different if they require students to get the vaccine to attend.

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It's different because those vaccines you took back in the day went through YEARS of clinical trials. This one has not.

Ivermectin is recommended by a large number of physicians with studies to back it up

https://c19ivermectin.com/

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

At UMMC, out of 131 inpatients with Covid, 68% are unvaccinated. What was that number months ago? Closer to 90%? Hmmm...

There are also anti-body treatments for unvaccinated that are showing great results and keep people out of the hospital. From the medical people I know, whether people are vaccinated or not, people are not seeking treatment because they think the vaccine will save them or they don't know about the treatments mentioned above.

Where's the scientific data on vaccine immunity vs natural immunity and the length of time you are protected? It seems to be changing with the minute and now discussions of a 6 month booster are needed.

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This. The vaccine was built up like a cure but the narrative has constantly changed. What happened to get the vaccine to save other people?s lives. Get the vaccine and you don?t have to wear as mask anymore. Get the vaccine so you won?t get Covid. Fact is nobody knew. So expect the unexpected.

From the last outbreak until the new outbreak?why were we blindsided? Why weren?t hospitals fully staffed anticipating another surge? Why wasn?t there a bigger focus on equipping family practitioners to treat it? Why are people still leaving the doctors office covid positive with no plan of treatment. Focus should have been on treatment. Everybody should have access to the antibody treatment by now.

You can take a diet pill to lose weight but actually treating it with diet and exercise is more effective in the long run. But we can push this diet pill and make a lot more money.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ivermectin is recommended by a large number of physicians with studies to back it up

https://c19ivermectin.com/

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Where in that link does it say get your dosages, packaged as a horse de-wormer, from the local tractor supply store?

Hydroxy studies:

https://c19hcq.com/

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

https://i.imgur.com/Nd1rwFm.gif?noredirect

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Mississippi gonna Mississippi.

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

This. The vaccine was built up like a cure but the narrative has constantly changed. What happened to get the vaccine to save other people?s lives. Get the vaccine and you don?t have to wear as mask anymore. Get the vaccine so you won?t get Covid. Fact is nobody knew. So expect the unexpected.

From the last outbreak until the new outbreak?why were we blindsided? Why weren?t hospitals fully staffed anticipating another surge? Why wasn?t there a bigger focus on equipping family practitioners to treat it? Why are people still leaving the doctors office covid positive with no plan of treatment. Focus should have been on treatment. Everybody should have access to the antibody treatment by now.

You can take a diet pill to lose weight but actually treating it with diet and exercise is more effective in the long run. But we can push this diet pill and make a lot more money.

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BINGO.

I felt like I had gotten COVID. I got the test. I was positive. The CLINIC got their positive test and I was sent home with no meds or treatment. They didn't care. Were they told not to care to help push the vaccine? We are all test subjects.

Well it's obvious that what's going on in Afghanistan is the result of the unvaccinated. If you would just get your shot, Biden wouldn't have been distracted and maybe not botched our exit...

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

https://i.imgur.com/Nd1rwFm.gif?noredirect

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https://www.jpost.com/health-science...er-1day-675612

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8101859/

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

saddened and disappointed in My University. My family is 3 generations of Bulldogs. Got one daughter there now and another probably on the way unless this continues to spiral.

MSU has lost it's care for people. Freshmen in the dorm that get Covid are kicked out in the streets and out of class with no way to do school. In some majors that could fail you for the semester. Not only that but many will be homeless and living out of their cars. Heck let Rice Hall be opened for a Covid ward if that is what it takes.

Where is our humanity? Do we really treat our fellow brothers and sisters like this? A freshman in college is hard enough.

Take the FAMILY BS out at MSU slogans if this is who we are now. This ain't how you treat family. Really disappointed in Keenum's leadership.

This is not a Covid/Vaccine thread. This is about treating people respectfully and humanely and caring about others. Yes I know the stunt is about trying to force kids to take a vaccine that is only 40% effective against a virus that doesn't even hurt kids.

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Doesn't hurt kids????? You haven't paid much attention.

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...er-1day-675612

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8101859/

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I just read the article in the second link. They note the limitations in their sample size, the dosage size given, the number of dosages given, etc. Read the last paragraph of the discussion.

They basically state that with a SINGLE dose, based on the weight of the patient, symptoms such as coughing, breathing labor, and blood-cell counts COULD BE improved, but was still inconclusive as to how much for how long.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

Doesn't hurt kids????? You haven't paid much attention.

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

2/3 of the deaths are 65-older

only 361 deaths our of 614,000 17 and under- and lots of those had co-morbidities.

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Originally Posted by MrCoachKlein

https://www.jpost.com/health-science...er-1day-675612

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8101859/

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Unfortunately, the first link you gave doesn't provide the actual study it discusses (unless I missed it somewhere), so I couldn't read it fully, unfortunately.

Something did, however, stick out to me in the article...

"The study appeared on the MedRxiv health-research sharing site. It has not yet been peer reviewed."

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

saddened and disappointed in My University. My family is 3 generations of Bulldogs. Got one daughter there now and another probably on the way unless this continues to spiral.

MSU has lost it's care for people. Freshmen in the dorm that get Covid are kicked out in the streets and out of class with no way to do school. In some majors that could fail you for the semester. Not only that but many will be homeless and living out of their cars. Heck let Rice Hall be opened for a Covid ward if that is what it takes.

Where is our humanity? Do we really treat our fellow brothers and sisters like this? A freshman in college is hard enough.

Take the FAMILY BS out at MSU slogans if this is who we are now. This ain't how you treat family. Really disappointed in Keenum's leadership.

This is not a Covid/Vaccine thread. This is about treating people respectfully and humanely and caring about others. Yes I know the stunt is about trying to force kids to take a vaccine that is only 40% effective against a virus that doesn't even hurt kids.

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That's only true if the kids are not vaccinated.... If they are vaccinated, https://www.msstate.edu/covid19/vaccine/faq

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However, there are several benefits to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. These include:

You would not have to quarantine if you are fully vaccinated and show no symptoms after being exposed to someone with COVID-19.

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And the vaccine is much more than 40% effective vs Covid...

If you decide not to get the MMR vaccine, they won't let you in school, at all in Mississippi....

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

2/3 of the deaths are 65-older

only 361 deaths our of 614,000 17 and under- and lots of those had co-morbidities.

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I understand. But read some of my posts about my son. 21 years old and as healthy as an SEC athlete. Never misses a workout. Almost ended up in the hospital. It's the sickest he's ever been. He's perfectly fine now though.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

2/3 of the deaths are 65-older

only 361 deaths our of 614,000 17 and under- and lots of those had co-morbidities.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I understand. But read some of my posts about my son. 21 years old and as healthy as an SEC athlete. Never misses a workout. Almost ended up in the hospital. It's the sickest he's ever been. He's perfectly fine now though.

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Yep.

https://www.wfla.com/community/healt...up-in-florida/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/pedi...-for-more.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=6bf9624a73f1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-2021-n1277119

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...s-covid-delta/

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

It's only different in how long the vaccines have been out before becoming mandatory versus the severity of the disease. While MRNA tech isn't new, to my knowledge there haven't been any vaccines with it so people are understandably concerned about whether there might be long term, unknown effects.

For the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, I don't think it is different, but I'm not positive. The only new vaccine I can remember recently was the one for HPV. And there was a stink about making that mandatory, which some states did I think pretty quickly (I know it hurt Rick Perry in his campaign; his argument was that making it mandatory ensured it was covered by insurance, and then there was an opt out procedure). I'm not sure how long it has typically taken to get from the development of a vaccine to it being made mandatory, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is usually done within a couple of years, so with not much better long term data than we have now. And we basically have a new flu vaccine every year, and I'm not sure the Johnson and Johnson is really different. Probably a little more likely to have adverse effects from the stress of your immune response, so probably more dangerous, but once you get through that initial response (which we do have data on, if imperfect), I don't know why there would be any particular concern about long term, unknown effects that wouldn't be there for say the flu vaccine. Not saying their isn't, but it's basically the same technology as far as I understand it.

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How many people in the US died Of Measles in 1962, before the Measles vaccine? Mumps? Rubella? What is the effectiveness of that vaccine? How many shots/boosters does it take?

How many died of Hepatitis pre vaccine? Diphtheria? Chickenpox?

Now tell me how being mandatory vs "severity of the disease"....

Link for those too lazy to look it up.
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

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In the decade before 1963 when a vaccine became available, nearly all children got measles by the time they were 15 years of age. It is estimated 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year. Also each year, among reported cases, an estimated 400 to 500 people died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and 1,000 suffered encephalitis (swelling of the brain) from measles.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Ivermectin is recommended by a large number of physicians with studies to back it up

https://c19ivermectin.com/

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Dude ****ing STOP.

The "Dose " of Ivermectin to be effective for covid will kill a 500 pound man. At doses that won't put you in a coma, it does jack shit...

PS. I've read studies since this post that say it might be effective at a lower dose. And at a dose that makes it impossible to use cow or horse wormer without a VERY accurate scale. If you must get it, follow all the directions from flccc, get vaccinated, wear a mask inside, then if you want to load up on IVM, D3, zinc, etc. be my guest.

Just do all the stuff that flccc recommends...

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Dude ****ing STOP.

The "Dose " of Ivermectin to be effective for covid will kill a 500 pound man. At doses that won't put you in a coma, it does jack shit...

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Plus it's making it almost impossible to get for my dogs!!!!! I was mad last week when I started looking for it.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Those are immunizations, not vaccines. Almost 100% of the US has those immunizations, but only about 50% get the flu vaccine.

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First there are breakthrough infections for Polio, Mumps, measles, and ALL VAccines....

There were 1200 cases of measles in the us in 2019. The measles vaccine is only 94% effective.... even with boosters...

As a ****ing treatment...

Vaccination prevents the increased viral load, faster than the Non FDA approved antibody treatment...

PS. The website that I have been sent to get the right IVM dosage has this ins the FAQ section....

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Masks: the FLCCC position on when to wear them, and when not to wear them.
The aggressive spread of Covid-19 is thought to be primarily due to airborne (aerosol) spread. Inhaling tiny floating droplets directly into the nose/lungs is strongly, but not perfectly, prevented by wearing masks indoors...
It is the opinion of the FLCCC that mask wearing is critical

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And...

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About the Covid Vaccines
What is your position on vaccines?
The FLCCC Alliance has always maintained that our protocols are a bridge to vaccines and a safety net for those who clannot or have not been vaccinated or are vaccinated and have concerns regarding declining protection against emerging variants. Vaccines have shown efficacy in preventing the most severe outcomes of COVID-19 and are an important part of a multi-modal strategy that must also include early treatment.

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Dude ****ing STOP.

The "Dose " of Ivermectin to be effective for covid will kill a 500 pound man. At doses that won't put you in a coma, it does jack shit...

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These people who would know see to have a different opinion

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...vid-treatment/

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Originally Posted by Apoplectic

These people who would know see to have a different opinion

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...vid-treatment/

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"These people who would know", lol?

Bret Weinstein is a former academic (evolutionary biology) turned podcast host. Medicine, epidemiology, and pharmacology are most definitely not his expertise or research area....

If you sit butt ass naked on a fire ant bed, the rest of your day will probably suck. Just adding my 2cents.

Its hilarious to me to see how insane people get on politics to all this.

10 years ago Fauci from his own mouth said hydroxy worked for covid viruses. Now because Big Pharma is funding all these grants- suddenly that $1 treatment isnt sufficient. Big Tech has done their best to memory hole it as they are getting payments from big Pharma.

I bet half of you dont even know that the vaccine the FDA approved Monday hasnt even been produced yet. The ones we are getting now arent FDA approved- still on emergency approval. The media left that little nugget out.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Its hilarious to me to see how insane people get on politics to all this.

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You just recommended taking a horse de-wormer purchased from a tractor supply store, and now you're calling others insane from politics...

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Originally Posted by Cowboydawg

This. The vaccine was built up like a cure but the narrative has constantly changed. What happened to get the vaccine to save other people?s lives. Get the vaccine and you don?t have to wear as mask anymore. Get the vaccine so you won?t get Covid. Fact is nobody knew. So expect the unexpected.

From the last outbreak until the new outbreak?why were we blindsided? Why weren?t hospitals fully staffed anticipating another surge? Why wasn?t there a bigger focus on equipping family practitioners to treat it? Why are people still leaving the doctors office covid positive with no plan of treatment. Focus should have been on treatment. Everybody should have access to the antibody treatment by now.

You can take a diet pill to lose weight but actually treating it with diet and exercise is more effective in the long run. But we can push this diet pill and make a lot more money.

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No, It was called a vaccine. Again those of us that know understood nothing is 100%, and like every other vaccine dating back to Jenner, all have breakthrough infections that are milder than those not vaccinated.

But we also knew that if you got everyone vaccinated, it could be like chickenpox, measles, smallpox, mumps, polio, and be very rare.

But meanwhile you ****ers want to get sick and try malaria meds or wormer and hope it works...

Then when a new variant come out due to mutaing in unvaccinated, you blame the vaccine...

I'm starting to root for the virus... or that you all OD or horse wormer.

As for "fully staffing". the hospitals were. But how will pay for all those "standby medical personnel". The Feds like MiSississipi is counting on?

It's way cheaper and more cost effective to count on PREVENTION, not treatment.

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

You just recommended taking a horse de-wormer purchased from a tractor supply store, and now you're calling others insane from politics...

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I told of what someone I knew did. Dr's recommend ivermectin as a treatment. Self-medicating is always risky- but this person is wealthy and has plenty of friends that are in the medical profession. I doubt he asked Farmer Ted for the correct dosage

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

This is Nazi tactics! Do this, do that or we will load you on a rail car and ship you off to Auschwitz! I am not anti-vaccine as I have taken the vaccine - both me and my wife and all of our grown children! It was a choice that was right for us! What I am against is the government forcing citizens to do something that may be against their beliefs. Sine both vaccinated and unvaccinated can still get the damn virus and pass it on to others, the ONLY advantage of getting the vaccine is - from what I have read, is the severity of the illness if you get it. So, in summary, the vaccine does NOTHING to prevent the spread of the virus, it only limits the severity.

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So how many people you know have been shipped off to extermination camps?

Did you just "Cite" a podcast.....

Here are 16 double blind studies saying Ivemectrin doesn't work for Covid..

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...bles/table-2c/

The same as for a healthy 6 month old getting a Hepatitis Vax, or Chickenpox vax.

Why wait"until they need it" when you don't know "when they will need it"

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

Did you just "Cite" a podcast.....

Here are 16 double blind studies saying Ivemectrin doesn't work for Covid..

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelin...bles/table-2c/

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SheltonChoked again.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I told of what someone I knew did. Dr's recommend ivermectin as a treatment. Self-medicating is always risky- but this person is wealthy and has plenty of friends that are in the medical profession. I doubt he asked Farmer Ted for the correct dosage

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Doesn't change the fact that your wealthy friend had to pick up this medicine at a tractor supply location!!! Didn't think you'd top getting your coffee from a pyramid scheme, but you've outdone yourself with this one!

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Originally Posted by SheltonChoked

No, It was called a vaccine. Again those of us that know understood nothing is 100%, and like every other vaccine dating back to Jenner, all have breakthrough infections that are milder than those not vaccinated.

But we also knew that if you got everyone vaccinated, it could be like chickenpox, measles, smallpox, mumps, polio, and be very rare.

But meanwhile you ****ers want to get sick and try malaria meds or wormer and hope it works...

Then when a new variant come out due to mutaing in unvaccinated, you blame the vaccine...

I'm starting to root for the virus... or that you all OD or horse wormer.

As for "fully staffing". the hospitals were. But how will pay for all those "standby medical personnel". The Feds like MiSississipi is counting on?

It's way cheaper and more cost effective to count on PREVENTION, not treatment.

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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You are correct. Those of us that understand how vaccines work understood that this would happen. So why do ?you ****ers? want to dismiss the need for an effective treatment plan? You knew this would happen right? I?m well versed in virology and understand how viruses mutate. 8 years of college and 3 degrees will do that to a person. You honestly believe the vaccine had nothing to do with the mutation? Your message would be better received if you came off that high horse of yours?and displayed any evidence of being an adult.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

This is Nazi tactics! Do this, do that or we will load you on a rail car and ship you off to Auschwitz! I am not anti-vaccine as I have taken the vaccine - both me and my wife and all of our grown children! It was a choice that was right for us! What I am against is the government forcing citizens to do something that may be against their beliefs. Sine both vaccinated and unvaccinated can still get the damn virus and pass it on to others, the ONLY advantage of getting the vaccine is - from what I have read, is the severity of the illness if you get it. So, in summary, the vaccine does NOTHING to prevent the spread of the virus, it only limits the severity.

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Oh good lord. It is NOT NAZI tactics. You obviously have no idea what the NAZIs were. You also must not remember getting lined up in the hallways at school and being vaccinated for a lot of stuff. Heck it ain't even being drafted into the army and forced to charge people who are trying to kill you. Good grief give that crap a rest.

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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU

I just read the article in the second link. They note the limitations in their sample size, the dosage size given, the number of dosages given, etc. Read the last paragraph of the discussion.

They basically state that with a SINGLE dose, based on the weight of the patient, symptoms such as coughing, breathing labor, and blood-cell counts COULD BE improved, but was still inconclusive as to how much for how long.

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It definitely needs more studies for use against the WuFlu, but it has been proven completely safe for human consumption over decades unlike EUA "vaccines"....So it could help and won't harm you.

Ivermec works great for heart worms on my dogs!!'