It changes... if we do well in-state, that's the most important. If we don't do well, in-state isn't important.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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It changes... if we do well in-state, that's the most important. If we don't do well, in-state isn't important.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
And nobody wanted two of those five. Or gabe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We should always start in state. With the usual exception of the QB position.
Very few schools have the ability to win without wrapping up the best players in their respective state. Even schools that recruit well nationally(which we do not, nor have we ever) generally lock up the best players in their state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
We have never recruited well nationally, because from the outside looking in we don't have a great pitch. Now, we can go snag some kids that aren't high profile out of state guys but the majority of our top end talent over the last decade have come directly from MS.
If you want us to start recruiting nationally and forego our local guys we are going to struggle.
Biggest problem is we have a horrible big money donor base and we don't have enough sidewalk fans donating to make up the difference. Alabama has fans that would donate their last 50$ to football even if it meant them not eating for a week. We don't have that same kind of commitment from our fanbase. The problem is just going to amplify as schools get better at using the pay for play model. We can't compete with those schools at our current donor rate.
Cohen only has so much money to work with. It isn't on him. If you want to see recruiting improve it is going to take us regular folks donating much more money along with finding some more big name boosters that just aren't there.
Correct we HAVE to get more than our fair share of in state.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We have by far the most players in the NFL of programs in this state, but it doesn't translate as a recruiting asset for MSU. All our recruits ratings go down when they commit, and the media is carrying on this offseason like our program shut down a decade ago. This stuff is starting to weird me out a little.
We can't let out of state schools win so many recruiting battles. Right now on 247 - There are 7 four star kids in-state this year. The bears lead for 3 and the other 4 are committed out of state. Last year 5 four star kids, two went to bears, we got one, and the other 2 went out of state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Last year we signed 3 of the top 10 in state (one was Harmon, who didn't have many options)
This year we look to sign 2 of the 10 ten - 9 and 10 (Blanton and Moss)
If y'all think we can be competitive without in-state kids, I'm not sure what to tell you.
What's currently happening in Mississippi is embarrassing and the effort of a G5 program.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I guess that's what our boosters want.
I saw an interesting post on Jeans Paige..
"Interesting stat for the moral high horse contingent. Did you know that during/immediately following the 3 best 3 year period of MSU football since WWII there was some form of NCAA probation? '74-76 we went 24-9-1. Probation followed. '98-00 we went 26-11. Probation followed. '13-15 we went 26-13. That was during the middle of the Redmond suspension and we got some probation for that as well. The modern story of MSU football is if we want to have some double digit wins, we are going to have to go up to and over whatever the line is in order to get the players required to get the job done. Those 9 years I referenced, we won 70% of all games. Equate that to a 12 game season-that's 10-2. I think it's certainly worth it even if there are repercussions. I'd rather try to get to the mountain top and get knocked back down to the valley than just settle for staying at base camp."
In summary, we gotta get down and dirty. .
In regards to budgets and fundraising...we just announced today our largest fundraising year ever. Not saying it's Stanford money or anything but I would think we could make the budget if there was desire.
Carry on...
Getting my bags ready!Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
The media does not believe in this team, this offense or in Mississippi State.
Listening to Cover 3 podcast one of the CBS national radio guys said we should appreciate Mullen more because of how much he was able to win in Starkville, all the others agreed. I say they are full of shit. Jackie took us to the SEC championship game, Leach beat a top 25 team his first year with a bunch of freshman on offense with half a roster. Even Croom put together some winning seasons with an offense that he couldn't teach. The facilities and fan support is getting better and better.
Same CBS guy says that Leach's offense is predicated on finding a weak link in the defense and exploiting it. He said that there won't be weak links in the defenses of the SEC because all the guys can run and we simply don't have the athletes to compete.
That is not at all what Leach's offense is about. His offense is about making you defend as much of the field as possible. He does this by spreading out the attack and using as many different players as possible to do it. Attacking the weak link has nothing to do with it, its about attacking the empty space the entire width of the field and as deep as the Oline can stand.
Note about that empty space: Leach's best teams have run the ball effectively. They don't necessarily run it 35 times a game but they do make defenses defend against it. His RB's have more yards from the line of scrimmage than most think. All but a couple years at Tech they would have at least one guy have 700-900 yards rushing plus another 400-500 receiving. That's close to 1400 yards of production from one RB. At WSU, he would have as many as 3 guys have 500 yards Rushing with another 1,000 in receiving split between them. That's close to 2500 yards from the RB position.
I think what people don't like is the dink and dunk stuff constantly. I get it, that OL will have to perform better so that can change. Leach called the Oline the most important positions on the team. Hurst or no Hurst, it is on him to get them in here. I will not live and die over missing one player. I have liked his overall OL recruiting. It has been much better than we had under Mullen. I also like the roster management, I think the portal does help for sure in that area.
Bottom line: Watching recruiting will drive you nuts. At the end of the day you have to look at the roster. Is it balanced and can it compete. Looking at individual recruiting will get to you eventually, it never seems to go our way because the losses stick in your brain but in reality, we have a really nice roster with some good commits ranked 23rd in roster talent in 2020. Can it be better? Yes, and I think it will be after Leach proves his offense will work in the SEC. If he can't, then go back and try again.
I am ready for some football!
We're going to go at least 7-5 this year. Which is exactly what Dan averaged here. A good coach can average that here.
The only reason anyone should miss Mullen is because Cohen absolutely royally screwed up the first hire. That 18 team should have mopped the field with the gators at home. And should have won 10 games.
The ncaa is irrelevant. If we are not cheating our ass off at this very moment, we don?t care about being good at football. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
So how do you propose to stop this ??Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Cheat harderQuote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Forward DawgsQuote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Tee Shepard comes to mind. They'll say whatever to get whoever for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And Johnathan Abram, KJ Wright, Gabe Jackson, JT Gray, Martinas Rankin, Logan Cooke, Tyre Phillips, Willie Gay, ……..Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dak, Preston Smith, and Cam Dantzler are out of state
Denico Autry, Montez Sweat, Pernell McPhee, and Darius Slay are out-of-state but played JUCO in Mississippi.
We’ve done our best work in state.
With the nli why the hell do we need to cheat...Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
If we lose the top D players in the State our program will take a long time to recover. This is what we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If Leach tanks, someone can write the book - how to kill a program with two bad coaching hires in a row.
Hope this doesn't happen. We have so much on the line this fall.
I?d hire a coach and pay him close to 5 million a year to address the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
If we can win without in state recruiting, then I don?t care. I just don?t think we can.
Yeah. And then we have to stop exhibiting exemplary cooperation when we get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Maybe the NIL will end that. At least I hope it will.
While it could be better, our 2019 revenues were ~$120MM. Coincidentally, that is more than the school up the road. We cannot use that excuse in recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
People seem to ignore the fact that we are still on probation for the Tutor crap that we self-reported. Our compliance department isn't going to let us step out until we are out from under the "repeat offender" windowQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Do y’all think Kiffin is out there burning up the recruiting trail?? **** no he isn’t . Hell he was in Oxford less than Leach was in Starkville.
We all know the game of recruiting and we don’t play it never really have .
Yes Leach needs more interest on the recruiting side , a lot more, but this staff ( minus one maybe 2 ) does get after it with recruiting.
Leach and Kiffin give 2 shits about recruiting , or the OM / MSU rivalry
If we had a HC that was all in on recruiting would we be doing better ? Probably a little .. CJM was a very passionate recruiter and the results were basically the same as always
But we were told Coach Mason Smith was just a “ computer “ guy he didn’t really make much of a factor with recruiting
I guess we don’t need guys that made college football rising stars under 30.. yeah we need less guys like that on the staff..
The NIL will do is zero favors in football, we better hope the portal is our best friend going forward.. of course it is college football it doesn’t matter until something is changed . The new playoff will help get a few more teams and fan bases excited but until them I can tell you 3 of the 4 teams in the final four
Bama , Clemson , Ohio state
same song different year
Just enjoy our 7-5 maybe 8-4 like we have averaged the last 15 years or so , and hope we beat OM more than not.
It is what it is
ok the argument is we can WIN without in state talent. When they get to the NFL they really don't help us anymore do they? And don't say it helps with recruiting because it doesn't. I would rather have players that can give us 3 or 4 good years instead of the ones that hit their peak just in time to leave for the NFL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I think we must continue to dominate MS D-Linemen as there is no reason not to. If we continue to do that while Leach continues to get good out of state QB's, we should be good.
https://media.giphy.com/media/RKRqMv...giphy.gif&ct=gQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
All that is True Ari except I don't think we are stuck, you can always build to a magical year.
Thing is Miss State has been getting incrementally better over the years, I expect a bowl game now. Last year, the overall college team talent was 23rd. If they can continue the growth with Leach, you could see some top 20 level teams in a couple years or even better. He will attract QB's, WR's better than we have ever have. I am interested to see where this team talent ends up for this year, we did have several leave. I think the roster is more balanced, at least for this offense. For sure it's getting deeper for this offense in the QB, WR and OL positions where we had been paper thin last year. The Mullen years, we always seemed to have just enough OL to get scrimmage up. Leach values that position much more.
I would expect the portal to give us 1-3 contributors most years as well. This year, we will probably have 5 that will contribute if not start from the portal. Two WR's, one DB, one DL and a QB.
Recruiting is changing, if you consider a couple from the portal and/or JuCo, Leach's draw for WR's & QB's, in-state talent, Texas connection with this group of coaches then the overall team talent could improve over the next couple years.
Will it? I say we have to win some games this year.
I wasn't even thinking about the portal guys from the years before. Scott Lashley, Cole Smith and Ruiz are all portal guys so that's 8 portal guys that are key contributors on this years team.
It's not just about High School recruiting anymore. Mississippi State's overall team talent will be a mixture of things.
Agree I said on average 7-5 or 8-4 .. sure we can have a 10-2 year we can also have a 5-7 yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Leach has never been known for his "crootin'." It's laughable that some thought that would change just because he came to the SEC. The guy literally hates that part of the job and puts almost no effort into it. It's no surprise we're getting wrecked. And yes, the structure of our off the field staff is bad too. We just don't take football seriously enough. We may not have Bama, TAMU, FL, etc. money, but we've got enough that we should be able to have a functional off field staff. But our Woke Bastard AD is a disaster for everything that isn't baseball. Unfortunately, he probably has a job for life now that baseball finally got the natty. It's so frustrating to see how little our admin believes in MSU compared to us fans.
NIL basically ends the "impermissible benefits" arm of enforcement. The NCAA is basically dead now and will be officially within a few years. NIL destroyed their sole reason to exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Can anyone validate this bad stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Recruiting has changed. NIL is changing it. The handling of the portal (both players leaving and players coming) must be managed correctly. JUCO is a huge deal for us, and always has been. You can really fill some glaring holes with some immediate JUCO help. You basically have to have a few staffers that are almost like GM's. There is so much turnover, and so many places to get players, and it is constantly changing. Roster management is important.
I have never kept up with his day to day activities but there is one thing on cruit'n. He always improved team talent wherever he has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Texas Tech in 1999 did not recruit a single rated player. Not one, I can't go back any further . Leach averaged 46th in recruiting while he was there. They had that honeymoon for a few years after Leach and did pretty well with Tuberville and Kingsbury but that got started by Leach but the last 4 years they are back down to averaging 58th.
Washington State had won a total of 9 ballgames in the previous 4 years combined with an average ranking of 63rd. He averaged getting 52nd while he was there.
I know he never brought in top talent but he always seemed to do well for the places he was located. Sure, he can do better but I am betting they know players make a difference and really like he is balancing the team out and he will get skill players from all over. We do need some in-state guys. I can't see us ever winning without them but NIL money is no joke. It's a new day folks.
These national football talk guys are clueless. They haven't learned one thing about this game since they started getting paid well.
Since most of our best JUCOs lately have been D1 kickbacks, the immediate transfer rule is going to destroy JUCO. Abram & Sweat wouldn't have gone to JUCOQuote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
That is his J O B!