So if Chance Lovertich beats out Will Rogers....

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08-17-2021, 11:48 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

Until we can put an O-Line that can block better these are going to continue being dreams

Oline is certainly important, but QB has to help them some. Hell, leach just said he'd like to see will avoid some of the sacks. He could avoid em with the 2 things I said he's lacking in: athleticism and quicker decision making
08-17-2021, 11:52 AM
KOdawg1

We'll see how big of a jump he makes this year. Robertson has way more arm talent but because he came in June, he's way behind. Will seems to be a hard worker and a leader, so I'm hoping he takes a step forward this year. I have concerns about his arm talent and decision making too, but I think he's kinda our option by default this year. Next year will be the real battle.
08-17-2021, 11:53 AM
confucius say

Madkin was a redshirt freshman in 98 right?
08-17-2021, 11:55 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

The best QB that never won anything. Doesn't say much.
Trevor Lawrence, Tua, Cam Newton, Patrick Mahommes, Johnny Football, Dak, etc.
That is who we should be comparing him to. Every other QB is a bunch of losers that fell short of our ultimate goals.

We need to stop comparing him to our best, and start comparing our players to the best nationwide. Cause that is what it is going to take to compete.

Absolutely one of the worst posts I've ever read on this board. I will never take anything you say seriously after this. It takes more than a quarterback to win national championships. Just because they didn't win it all doesn't make them losers.
08-17-2021, 11:56 AM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Oline is certainly important, but QB has to help them some. Hell, leach just said he'd like to see will avoid some of the sacks. He could avoid em with the 2 things I said he's lacking in: athleticism and quicker decision making

Schrader had both of those and we see how that worked out for him ... fwiw- I was pissed that we didn't start Schrader and hated to see him leave. I have faith that Will can and will take hold of this offense
08-17-2021, 11:57 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Madkin was a redshirt freshman in 98 right?

Coulda been
08-17-2021, 11:58 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Some of you take criticism of will Rogers way too personal.

Some of us know how to put things into perspective and not just look up stats.
08-17-2021, 11:59 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Some of us know how to put things into perspective and not just look up stats.

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?
08-17-2021, 12:09 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

I tend to stay away from making predictions without having ample knowledge of the situation. Like predicting W/L now. I see some things in Will that tell me he can be special. But he has to continue to improve - And I believe he will but to what degree. But this offensive scheme will have to improve as well in my opinion. Midway through this season we will all have a better idea. And if Will Starts as a junior, he will not have a senior season. Any kid that can command the room as a freshman has the ability to be special.
08-17-2021, 01:36 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

Until we can put an O-Line that can block better these are going to continue being dreams

This is the correct answer. If you don't give the QB time to throw, he isn't going to be very productive, no matter who the QB is. The OL has been a problem for State for many years.
08-17-2021, 01:50 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

Last 4 year starter I remember was John Bond .... Even Dak wasn't a 4 year starter.
08-17-2021, 02:06 PM
Maverick91

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Obviously it's just a guess, and I could be totally wrong. I just see a guy with avg (or below) arm strength and avg (or below) athleticism. This can be overcome by really good, quick decision making and outstanding accuracy. Maybe he has this ability.

I wanna see a guy that make a team defend the whole field and make a pass rusher miss.

Tom Brady
08-17-2021, 02:06 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

If I was a betting man, I?d bet that Will is the starter for next three years. As long as Leach is the coach.
08-17-2021, 02:19 PM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If I was a betting man, I?d bet that Will is the starter for next three years. As long as Leach is the coach.

I was impressed with Rogers' accuracy last year. If we can give him time to throw and the receivers can get a little separation, I think he can be very good.
08-17-2021, 02:20 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

No offense, I love Dak. We never won anything significant with him either with your same thought process

That?s true. But he did take us to #1. You are right though. He didn?t win anything of note.
08-17-2021, 02:22 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

This is the correct answer. If you don't give the QB time to throw, he isn't going to be very productive, no matter who the QB is. The OL has been a problem for State for many years.

Yep. But some like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahommes overcomes OL play. We basically need a Superman back there. Not too much to ask.
08-17-2021, 02:25 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by dawgman15

No offense, I love Dak. We never won anything significant with him either with your same thought process

Only difference was that Dak took us to where we need to be. A threat to win every game we play. The talk of the nation. People know MSU because of Dak. He single handily upped the property values in Starkville. Seriously, dude changed the town. Imagine if we had 12 straight years of Dak type of player production and leadership on the field.
08-17-2021, 02:26 PM
Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.
08-17-2021, 02:29 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I was impressed with Rogers' accuracy last year. If we can give him time to throw and the receivers can get a little separation, I think he can be very good.

Sorta my point... surround him with better players, and they'll lift him up. With this offense, we need a qb that will lift up those around him
08-17-2021, 02:36 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.

So 1200 yards more in a season than the current CFB record? along with breaking MSU's single season rushing record by a couple of hundred yards? You are on crack.
08-17-2021, 02:39 PM
dawgman15

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.

I think if we brought back Tyson Lee and put him in this offense he could easily achieve those numbers
08-17-2021, 02:52 PM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Either way, I am looking for 7k passing yards and 1500 rushing out of one guy. As close as we can get to it. Do it, and we win.

Well, why just 7000 and 1500 if were asking for stupid things that have no chance of happening? How about 10,000 and 3,000? Or how bout 5 miles and 2 miles?

How about Tom Brady and Cam Newton have a love child, we get in a time machine travel to the future to when that child is 18, bring her back (why not a "her"?) and she throw, run AND catch every TD pass that we score for 3 years straight before she goes to the NFL to be the star player of the Patriots while also being commissioner of the NFL and President of the United States all at the same time?

I mean why not, right?? Do it, and we win.
08-17-2021, 02:57 PM
Ifyouonlyknew

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

If I was a betting man, I?d bet that Will is the starter for next three years. As long as Leach is the coach.

I'd take that bet.
08-17-2021, 04:34 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I was impressed with Rogers' accuracy last year. If we can give him time to throw and the receivers can get a little separation, I think he can be very good.

He was a true freshman cast into the top spot because all eggs were placed in the basket of a Grad Transfer who ended up having PTSD by the second game.

He was somewhat accurate on the 10 yard throws to a stationary receiver and to Walley on the drag route across the middle. And he threw a few dimes to our athletic receivers in the 20-25 yard range.

I was more concerned about how many times he threw behind or high to a back leaking out into the flat that made them adjust to catch it giving the DB or LB time to close and hold them to no gain or a 2 or 3 yard gain. Same with the quick pass out on the edge with a WR in front to block. He was supposed to lead them into the pass giving them forward motion to escape an arm tackle. But instead he threw it where they were standing or high.
08-17-2021, 04:51 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Yep. But some like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahommes overcomes OL play. We basically need a Superman back there. Not too much to ask.

Neither one of those guys was good enough to overcome bad oline play. Neither one of those teams finished anywhere in the national polls very high. Apparently you don't remember us demolishing Lamar in a bowl game.
08-17-2021, 04:53 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I'd take that bet.

Leave early or get beat out?
08-17-2021, 05:18 PM
msstate7

Football outsiders ranked our oline pretty high...

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...overallol/2020
08-17-2021, 07:07 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Maybe so. So you predicting a 4-year starter out of will?

That is a done deal barring an injury. No matter how much some of yall dont want it. Robertson is not beating Will unless he is the 2nd coming. He is not in the same league as of now. This is Wills team. Ask them
08-17-2021, 07:08 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Madkin in 1998 was basically equal.
Madkin passer rating: 122.1
Rogers passer rating: 123.5

You are smarter than that.
08-17-2021, 07:08 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

That is a done deal barring an injury. No matter how much some of yall dont want it. Robertson is not beating Will unless he is the 2nd coming. He is not in the same league as of now. This is Wills team. Ask them

Bucky they started picking on Will when you were at football practice so I had to step in and help you out LOL
08-17-2021, 07:10 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Madkin led us to Atlanta as a true freshman. He made some huge plays to beat ark.

I just don't think will is anything more than a place holder till we get a difference maker. Will isn't bad, and he isn't good... just an avg qb. We won't win with an avg QB in this system

I will make a posting ban bet with you that Robertson never takes his spot. Right now
08-17-2021, 07:11 PM
Cowbell

Also, Matt Wyatt, who most agree is the only expert we have on football in the media, made a list of the 5 most important guys to not get injured this season. Maybe you guys should listen to that take and who was numero uno.
08-17-2021, 07:11 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Bucky they started picking on Will when you were at football practice so I had to step in and help you out LOL

Haha I appreciate that. Will doesnt need anyone to anyone to fight his battles for him.

I am just telling yall, he is a winner. Period. Winners win.
08-17-2021, 07:12 PM
BuckyIsAB****

I feel more confident in saying that Robertson starts in Dudy Noble before he starts over number 2
08-17-2021, 07:15 PM
Lord McBuckethead

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

Neither one of those guys was good enough to overcome bad oline play. Neither one of those teams finished anywhere in the national polls very high. Apparently you don't remember us demolishing Lamar in a bowl game.

I remember Lamar winning a heisman. I will take a heisman winner. Both elevated their teams higher than we have been outside of our temporary run to number 1.
08-17-2021, 07:19 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I remember Lamar winning a heisman. I will take a heisman winner. Both elevated their teams higher than we have been outside of our temporary run to number 1.

Lamar would have never won that playing against SEC defenses every week. Perspective.
08-17-2021, 07:20 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

Haha I appreciate that. Will doesnt need anyone to anyone to fight his battles for him.

I am just telling yall, he is a winner. Period. Winners win.

I agree 100%. I just can't believe the guys forgetting that he was a true freshman and not giving him some grace to improve.
08-17-2021, 07:33 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

I will make a posting ban bet with you that Robertson never takes his spot. Right now

Done.
08-17-2021, 07:37 PM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Done.

Bet
08-17-2021, 08:57 PM
Jarius

Please make a different bet. Both of you are solid posters that bring quality to the board.

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