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07-09-2021, 10:23 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

If you catch COVID now, buy the ticket take the ride. If the vaccination rate does not improve, we will go through hell again this fall and winter.

Everybody I know who has gotten covid this summer is vaccinated
07-09-2021, 10:28 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I'm fully vaccinated, but I respect the decision for those who aren't. That's completely up to you and it should be.

However, don't get mad or upset if a variant causes an outbreak and effects our lives and possibly MSU sports again.

It's already doing that. Among the vaccinated. The majority of the 8 nc state players who tested positive were vaccinated.

I do agree with you that is a personal choice. I support getting vaccinated if that is what is right for you.
07-09-2021, 10:33 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by brokennotfractured

3 billion people have been given the vaccine with virtually no problems at all yet you choose to not get vaccinated because of possible side effects? While knowing that millions of people have died and millions of more lives ruined from the side effects of covid. I can not wrap my head around this. I'm not a democrat. I'm an ER physician that has seen the horrors of covid. I honestly don't care if you get vaccinated or not but don't bury your head in the sand and think this is a "never let a crisis go to waste" type event. Complete ignorance.

The fact that politicians are exploiting it is not incompatible with it being a real crisis. While there are certainly politicians and bureaucrats trying to do the best they can with the information they have, that is not what has dominated our policy decisions w/r/t covid.

And you can criticize people all you want, but we need credible institutions with credible leaders for instances like this. Not everybody is going to be able to do their own research. Unfortunately, we don't have either so we're going to end up muddling through this in a very suboptimal manner.
07-09-2021, 10:38 AM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The 3rd shot is confusing me. It's being reported that the vaccine is highly effective, and the numbers support that. It's also being reported that the vaccine is highly effective against the delta variant. What is the 3rd booster for?

Money
07-09-2021, 10:39 AM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

The fact that politicians are exploiting it is not incompatible with it being a real crisis. While there are certainly politicians and bureaucrats trying to do the best they can with the information they have, that is not what has dominated our policy decisions w/r/t covid.

And you can criticize people all you want, but we need credible institutions with credible leaders for instances like this. Not everybody is going to be able to do their own research. Unfortunately, we don't have either so we're going to end up muddling through this in a very suboptimal manner.

Medical journals, CDC, etc weren't that controversial before 2020. There's plenty of good info out there that medical professionals trust. Most people are just emotionally biased based on who they hear it from
07-09-2021, 10:45 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by OLJWales

I'm 58 , eat a South Beach diet and usually get in 50 push ups a day. My unhealthy vice is vodka but hadn't had the flu in over 10 yrs and never a flu shot. This Covid thing has "never let a crisis go to waste" aspect and I don't take too kindly being a government guinea pig.

It's basically a choice WHICH government you want to be a guinea pig for. Take the vaccine and you are one for the US (at VERY low risk) or don't take it and you choose to be one for China. Like it or not that is your choice. I take it you chose China.
07-09-2021, 10:46 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Jacknut

He didn't say that. Some people are leery of a vaccine that was rushed through production and is still not approved by the FDA. I'm vaccinated, but I'll defend anyone's right if they don't want it.

YES, that is EXACTLY what he said.
07-09-2021, 10:50 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by BiscuitEater

So, they flat out lied when they said TWO shots would protect you. Not me .. especially when the drug companies have 'zero' liability and make big bucks promoting them.

Why not FOUR shots?

No they didn't. They never said that at all. They have said from the very beginning that boosters or an annual shot similar to the flu shot would be needed. Good grief.
07-09-2021, 10:51 AM
Commercecomet24

Hey guys let's get back to the natty talk, it was a lot more fun than this. We spend almost a year with the covid thread, lol!
07-09-2021, 10:51 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Medical journals, CDC, etc weren't that controversial before 2020. There's plenty of good info out there that medical professionals trust. Most people are just emotionally biased based on who they hear it from

Exactly. How this became political I will NEVER understand.
07-09-2021, 10:52 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It's already doing that. Among the vaccinated. The majority of the 8 nc state players who tested positive were vaccinated.

I do agree with you that is a personal choice. I support getting vaccinated if that is what is right for you.

Then you support almost everyone being vaccinated. There are VERY few legitimate reasons not to get this.
07-09-2021, 10:54 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by brokennotfractured

3 billion people have been given the vaccine with virtually no problems at all yet you choose to not get vaccinated because of possible side effects? While knowing that millions of people have died and millions of more lives ruined from the side effects of covid. I can not wrap my head around this. I'm not a democrat. I'm an ER physician that has seen the horrors of covid. I honestly don't care if you get vaccinated or not but don't bury your head in the sand and think this is a "never let a crisis go to waste" type event. Complete ignorance.

Bravo sir.
07-09-2021, 10:55 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Then you support almost everyone being vaccinated. There are VERY few legitimate reasons not to get this.

For young adults and kids, I think there's few reasons to get it. For mid-adults there's a real decision. For older people and preexisting conditions, there is no decision, get it.
07-09-2021, 10:57 AM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by RC3

so what you're saying is, people do dumb stuff that negatively affects their health???
such as smoking. such as refusing to take a vaccine despite the fact that it appears to be a much better option that dying from covid...
We know smoking is bad and will likely eventually kill you. We know Covid can kill you. People make bad health decisions every single day.

I had Covid and didn't die. I also don't plan to take the vaccine. People get sick. Some might die. Vaccines don't determine who lives and who dies. What's your point?
07-09-2021, 10:58 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hey guys let's get back to the natty talk, it was a lot more fun than this. We spend almost a year with the covid thread, lol!

Unfortunately the numbers don't lie. We are heading into another surge with all that means. The sad thing is this one was mostly preventable. We had a choice this time. People chose to let this one happen. There are still around 1/4 of the over 65s not vaccinated in Mississippi. One more thing: Everyone I know that actually has to treat COVID is saying that this time it's affecting WAY more younger people, and the younger people are getting much sicker. Get your damn shots. It isn't some kind of political statement.
07-09-2021, 11:00 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

I had Covid and didn't die. I also don't plan to take the vaccine. People get sick. Some might die. Vaccines don't determine who lives and who dies. What's your point?

Numbers don't lie. If you are vaccinated and you get it you are a heck of a lot less likely to die than if you aren't vaccinated. It also ain't all about dying. I know several people who will never be the same after getting it.
07-09-2021, 11:02 AM
Dolphus Raymond

Oh, I understand how and why it became political. When Populism rears it?s ugly head, situations like this become inevitable. Fifty years from now, this dynamic will be the topic of several dissertations.
See ?The Dipping Vat War?.
07-09-2021, 11:02 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

For young adults and kids, I think there's few reasons to get it. For mid-adults there's a real decision. For older people and preexisting conditions, there is no decision, get it.

I have a friend whose 28 year old daughter died from it.
07-09-2021, 11:02 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by msstate7

For young adults and kids, I think there's few reasons to get it. For mid-adults there's a real decision. For older people and preexisting conditions, there is no decision, get it.

You might spread it to someone else. That was reason enough for me to get it back in March. The vaccine dramatically reduces the chances of that.

Also, I don't want to have to take a couple weeks off work, which is what I'd have to do if I ever caught the disease, regardless of how mild and survivable it would likely be in my age group. I bank my time off to use for fun things.
07-09-2021, 11:07 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Unfortunately the numbers don't lie. We are heading into another surge with all that means. The sad thing is this one was mostly preventable. We had a choice this time. People chose to let this one happen. There are still around 1/4 of the over 65s not vaccinated in Mississippi. One more thing: Everyone I know that actually has to treat COVID is saying that this time it's affecting WAY more younger people, and the younger people are getting much sicker. Get your damn shots. It isn't some kind of political statement.

Wow, just wow. I'm not making any kind of political statement. I'm saying we've had enough covid discussions.
07-09-2021, 11:10 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Numbers don't lie. If you are vaccinated and you get it you are a heck of a lot less likely to die than if you aren't vaccinated. It also ain't all about dying. I know several people who will never be the same after getting it.

Didn't you swear up and down that there was no way we'd have a college football season? Since you responded with a completely off the wall statement I decided I would too.
07-09-2021, 11:13 AM
StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.
07-09-2021, 11:15 AM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

This is how it should be, but there's all too few who can respect others decisions. For the vast majority, if I got, you should get, and if I didn't get it, you shouldn't either.
07-09-2021, 11:17 AM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

This is how it should be, but because everyone has a forum now, they have to try and force their decisions on everyone else, both sides of this.
07-09-2021, 11:19 AM
OLJWales

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Unfortunately the numbers don't lie. We are heading into another surge with all that means. The sad thing is this one was mostly preventable. We had a choice this time. People chose to let this one happen. There are still around 1/4 of the over 65s not vaccinated in Mississippi. One more thing: Everyone I know that actually has to treat COVID is saying that this time it's affecting WAY more younger people, and the younger people are getting much sicker. Get your damn shots. It isn't some kind of political statement.

Thanks liver. I no rarely watch news these days and will take this under consideration.
07-09-2021, 11:19 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Let me sum this up so we can quit talking about this:

If you got the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

If you didn't get the vaccine, good for you. You made a decision you were comfortable with and went about your life.

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.
07-09-2021, 11:23 AM
Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.
07-09-2021, 11:27 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.
07-09-2021, 11:29 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.

Ahh good to know that I'm basically spreading syphilis by not getting the vaccine.
07-09-2021, 11:30 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

It's not a purely personal choice when it affects others. I would be devastated and inconsolable if someone died from COVID after catching it from me. It wouldn't matter if it was a stranger, it wouldn't matter if they were vaccinated or not. By taking the vaccine, I've done what I can to minimize the chance that that happens.

Remember that everyone who dies from COVID got it from someone, and in almost all cases, the dying person and the person who gave it to them were both unvaccinated.

Is that last part still true? I really hope so. Bc 2/3 of adults are vaccinated, and half of all people are vaccinated. So If vaccinated persons aren't spreading it like you say then the country should be much better off this go round.
07-09-2021, 11:32 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I think we can all agree that if you're the type of person who likes to sleep around, it's a good idea to wear a condom, even though they don't literally bring the chance of pregnancy and STDs down to 0%.

And when you do, you're not just protecting yourself, you're protecting the next person you sleep with, the next person she sleeps with, and on down the chain, by preventing future outbreaks, or at least dramatically reducing them.

The same principle applies to COVID vaccination.

But condoms are 99% effective. Are you saying the vaccine is 99% effective in preventing one from spreading or contracting covid?
07-09-2021, 11:40 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But condoms are 99% effective. Are you saying the vaccine is 99% effective in preventing one from spreading or contracting covid?

I don't know the exact number on either, but they are both extremely effective in preventing transmission.

Haven't you seen how dramatically cases and deaths have fallen since January?
07-09-2021, 11:42 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Is that last part still true? I really hope so. Bc 2/3 of adults are vaccinated, and half of all people are vaccinated. So If vaccinated persons aren't spreading it like you say then the country should be much better off this go round.

Yes. Unless there's been another in the last few days since I last verified the stat, there has been only 1 COVID death in Mississippi from a vaccinated person. Every single other one since March could have been prevented, or at least it's extremely likely that it could have been. And that's prevented either from the now-deceased person getting the vaccine OR from the person who gave it to them getting it.

How do you think their families feel knowing that?
07-09-2021, 11:43 AM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.

I just fundamentally disagree with this. I don't want anyone dying a preventable death, even if they "knew the risks" (which I find dubious in a lot of cases)
07-09-2021, 11:45 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I don't know the exact number on either, but they are both extremely effective in preventing transmission.

Haven't you seen how dramatically cases and deaths have fallen since January?

If the vaccine is that effective, that may make me rethink getting it.

The cases peaked January 12 and started tanking through January and February, long before the vaccine took hold. I do think the vaccine helped though.
07-09-2021, 11:48 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Yes. Unless there's been another in the last few days since I last verified the stat, there has been only 1 COVID death in Mississippi from a vaccinated person. Every single other one since March could have been prevented, or at least it's extremely likely that it could have been. And that's prevented either from the now-deceased person getting the vaccine OR from the person who gave it to them getting it.

How do you think their families feel knowing that?

Well that's good news. If vaccinated persons can't spread the delta variant, case numbers should not get out of hand considering how many people are vaccinated. Basically, a vaccinated person who comes into contact with it would act like a barrier, preventing further spread.
07-09-2021, 11:50 AM
BuckyIsAB****

Delete this shit
07-09-2021, 11:51 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I just fundamentally disagree with this. I don't want anyone dying a preventable death, even if they "knew the risks" (which I find dubious in a lot of cases)

So you want forced vaccinations? I respectfully disagree with your opinion on it, but hey it's your opinion. You've got just as much a right to is as I have to mine.
07-09-2021, 11:55 AM
SailingDawg

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So both people knew the risks and decided to not take it......sounds like they made a personal choice and chose to live with the potential consequences. Which is exactly how it should be.

No it?s not how it should be. It should be that we trust the scientists and get vaccinated so we don?t put others in danger. Period.
07-09-2021, 11:57 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

You mean an event where 25k met daily for two weeks resulted in a sickness outbreak? I bet there was a stomach bug with a group and a flu bug with a group as well. There was also probably a car wreck for some family to or from the event at some point.
We have to get a grip...

Exactly. This is 100 percent on the media and people spending too much time on Twitter, FB, IG

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