What has been the interest level from our boosters/donors thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
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What has been the interest level from our boosters/donors thus far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If that makes you feel better....Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
And who is checking every dollar that comes in now? If company A wants to hire Logan Tanner as his spokesman, and then random dude B decides he wants to give him an additional 30k for no reason at all, all he would have to do is file with the secretary of state's office as a corporation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I don't know but I am going to start a company called LordMc's 20 Dollar Bill fountain. Almost all funds will go to current players, future players, strippers, and anything else needed to get these poor players the money they deserve based on their free market value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I would add, my company needs funds for advertising. So if anyone wants to donate, I will make sure Sawyer and Tulu doesn't ever miss a pay day.
The biggest issues with this To me are:
1) There is almost always an "uncle" or parent/agent there to take advantage of the young person or give them poor advice. In my opinion, this money above a certain amount should be put into a trust until they graduate. So the young people can learn how to manage it and mature a little before the buzzards circle.
2) This completely takes what little emphasis there was on education away. Even if a young linebacker wants to come to state abd get an engineering degree, if ole miss pays a higher price, then they will take that and change majors. All about the money now.
It hasn't been about education since recruiting and recruiting rankings started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I can see Bracky taking in the cash and distributing it as instructed, along with a 1099.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
I do agree with you on this. Especially number 1. Number 2 has been dead for a while. That ended about when Bear Bryant started recruitingQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Ain't got nothing to do with Miami. Miami is just the example of how out of control this thing can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
Free market don't mean anything goes; that is an ignorant perception. There are rules all over society to keep order and prevent chaos and corruption. This ruling creates chaos and corruption. I can't help those that have little wisdom and discernment.
Do you know what discernment is? It is knowing the difference in right and almost right. Almost right is wrong.
This is not free market.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
Free market is the ncaa saying, here is how we are going to do things. If you don't like it, create your own entity with its own model and compete against us.
It will still be just the stars. No company is doing an endorsement deal for a third string lb who only plays on special teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
One other thing to keep in mind: the Alston ruling only allowed athletes to receive "education related benefits." And it gave the NCAA discretion to determine what constitutes an "education related benefit."
But big picture, I suspect the next challenge will be to benefits unrelated to education. And when the ncaa loses that, it will cease to exist.
What if boosters spring for the AD?Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I think it will take what little was left away of the education piece. It didn't matter much but I know kids every year who let that play into the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
You aren't paying attention. Read the paper. Miami is just the beginning....Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
There is nothing stopping a booster from inviting a player to the house and paying him $200,000 for an hour. It won't happen? Isn't that what Bama paid Albert Means 20 years ago? An he wasn't even a great player. Cam Newton 100K?
The NCAA went from $400 for a set of tires for Kevin Fant and destroying us to anything goes now. We went from having standards to having no standards. Just a reflection of society where we don't have any morality any more. If it feels right to me or for me, do it.
Yep. We won the last National Championship before the fall. I can live with that. More reading and fishing from here on out it appears.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
What exactly is wrong (or almost right as you say) with a player being paid money? Their talents are marketable.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Fair compensation: Tuition- 4 years = $92,000 out of state/ $40,000 in state, text books, meal plan, housing 4 years = $68,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by calidawg
A student athlete on full scholarship gets the equivalent of $108,000 - $160,000 over 4 years, a college degree and no student loans. This doesn?t include the tutoring, medical, and other assistance plus the plethora of business connections made and tons of PR.
This is a bad plan and has basically come about due to cancel culture pressure but no one wants to admit. Everyone with a bit of common sense knows this is a terrible idea. The stipulation should have been put in place that all of this money should be put into an account and it is equally dispensed to all student athletes upon GRADUATION from college with a degree?you know?since they are STUDENT athletes playing for a SCHOOL. Yes, you would not get a lick of it if you left college early.
Even the NFL has a salary cap for a reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by sack07
If everything was going to be on the up and up, it would be fine. Athletes would be paid what they are worth from a business. But there is no way in hell this will be this way. Rich boosters and businesses will get word to athletes that they will pay the most in order to build/buy a team for their school. Got nothing to do with how marketable they are. Athletes will get paid way over what is market value if they think said athlete will be a good player. Just need 4 or 5 stars by your name. And money men will do whatever it takes to make sure athletes know what they can get before they even get in school. Will be a bidding war behind the scenes on what booster or business can get the athlete the most money. The rich schools will build a better team while the poor schools fall by the way side. Bye bye old school college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
Everything you're describing already happens. Better to have it out there in the open than behind the scenes and wink-wink-denied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdawg
And MLB doesn?t, so?,Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
It is really not going to be the doom and gloom you all propose. Once the newness wears off, how much money do you think these boosters are actually going to shell out? They are in a position to pay players because, in general, they have good business acumen. It is not good business to pay for a whole college football team. Will big time players get some money? Absolutely. But those guys are going to the same 6 schools anyway. If anything, this gives other schools a chance if they have a good NIL program in place.
This is a retarded post.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
We have new rules in place. We better learn them, master them, and learn to exploit them. If we don't then we better go ahead and switch our focus to badminton
To a certain extent. But when it's legal and there are no penalties for it, the bigger markets, colleges in bigger cities, whoever has the most money is going to have an even bigger advantage than what is going on now. The gap will keep getting worse. I thought college sports were about tryin to create a level playing field. This just makes it worse than it already is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
College sports are essentially an arms race, so without the ability to agree to some sort of salary cap, the value that is mostly created by the university brands is almost exclusively going to be captured by people/entities other than the universities. Not the worst tragedy in the world, just not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
It's really this simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
The thread indicates the NIL rules won't work. There is a litigation evolution in this regards and there was a victor and the vanquished. Simply, it works for some and not others. The NCAA has lost its credibility with the government, the courts, and the public as a whole. Because of the moral credibility loss, the courts have treated the NCAA as morally bankrupt and stripped it of regulating issues like NIL. Believe it or not, the Reggie Bush issue has exposed the NCAA especially when the courts forced it to grant access of its mainframe to Todd Nair's attorneys. Then the courts ordered public access to all discoveries found by Nair's legal team. Because of legal evolution of late, the NCAA is a shadow of itself because of its legal perceptions, and has lost a lot of ability to govern unfettered.
Let me know when that comes to fruitionQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
The ncaa is made up of its member schools.
Those member schools are not required to give athletic scholarships. Maybe just enact a rule that reduces a player's scholarship by the amount received from NIL? That wouldn't run afoul of the courts antitrust holding in the Alston case (which after reading that case, the entire case was predicated on the belief that the ncaa has a monopoly on college Athletics and can dictate terms, despite the existence of other competing entities, which I'm not sure I agree with).
Let's do this for baseball--a SuperPAC to ensure all 35 roster spots have tuition and room/board covered. We can then essentially offer each baseball recruit a full scholarship, although it would be covered by the SuperPAC and not the school. Then the stars of the team separately get whatever they can.
That sounds great. Now you have officially volunteered to raise 700k per year to fund your proposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
Really wouldn't be hard. 12 out of state players on full ride. Put 200k in a super pac. Put 20 in state non scholly guys in a commercial and pay each 10k to cover tuition. Fudge the numbers as necessary, may need 350k some years depending on number of out of state kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
You could do it for half that easy. We could get 350 people worldwide to give 1,000 dollars each easily. I would for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Many will not see this but it is the truth. You have to believe in absolute truth vs relative moralism.Quote:
Originally Posted by sack07
Money corrupts people. The love of money is the root of all evil. Money is not bad but misuse, abuse, etc. is. I am pro free market but limits on things are good to contain man's corruption. That is why there are antitrust laws to keep from one entity from controlling people, a market, etc. There would be oppression is one group had too much power. Kinda like what we are seeing with our culture now so it isn't surprising this is happening. This will not be fair and it will be abused. That is neither entertaining or good practice. Do you want to watch Bama win 10 more in a row after Saban leaves? Get ready here it comes.
People act like they aren't getting paid. They are getting paid very well in scholarships and a ton of benefits. What about paying high school kids to play sports? Where does it stop. That is why it is amateur sports and why you have professional sports.
35 roster spots less 11.7 NCAA scholarships = 23.3 unfulfilled scholarships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
23.3 x $24,000 cost of attendance at MSU = $559,200 per year.
State fans/boosters/companies could raise that easily and put it into a SuperPAC to distribute among the 23.3 players. One 'cigar boy' could probably fund that.
Other richer schools could also do that but very few would for baseball.
So we just gonna get in state players????Either way. Get it doneQuote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
What makes my post for only in-state players? The $24k number? I just googled MSU cost of attendance and that figure came up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If we need more for out of state players then we will have to raise more. I initially posted $840,000 per year for all 35 players, but of course the school would cover the first 11.7 scholarships. So maybe the $800k figure is more accurate to account for out-of-state tuition. That is still doable.