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Because we are trying to win. He had his shots. We can give him some work way up or way down. None of those excised this weekend. Do you all have amnesia? We didn't waste anything. And yes he might be a big league number one. He might not make it out of single a. We tried. Hate it didn't work. If he continues to show progress maybe he gets a shot in a game that we are losing down a couple or sec tourney. Otherwise he shouldn't be in there. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Obviously he is beyond just in a slump so what I?m about to state is not all of his problem. His averages the last two years, especially last season, have also benefitted from a high BABIP. With enough balls in play over time you get a better picture of a players actual hit ability. Some of the issues that are glaring now were always there. Lot of ground balls and roll over ground balls, very very low walk rate, low OBP, made contact on questionable pitches, etc. Honestly all things being equal he is more of a .250-.275 hitter and .300 on a good year. This year has some regression to his mean as it relates to his hit ability. Not to this disappointing degree obviously, which is where the rest of the problems of from an extended very bad slump come into play for a hitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Whatever the metrics say, he has been a .280-.320 hitter for his entire career coming into this year. Maybe he has been lucky until this slump but that is being lucky for a long time. Saying all that, he has to sit for us to go very far in the post season. I am not sure he can get his head right in enough time to help us much this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
What is his career conference only average?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Hatcher in the SEC-Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
2018- 16/84 .190
2019- 17/65 .262
2021- 10/63. 159
Career SEC Avg- 43/212 .203 career with only 9 of those being extra base hits
Welp, that tells me Clark should start playing ASAP. Maybe mix it up with Pimentel and Hatcher so that you get a healthy competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If nothing else Pimentel should get 1 AB per game to try and swat one. Like Ole Miss uses the two fat kids, Baker and Van Cleve. Hatch can be Pimentel's pinch runner if he gets a hit.
Damn that is bad. I definitely didn't figure he was that bad in SEC only stats. He must be hitting over 0.400 in nonconference. Just another reason to mix it up and get Cumbest in the lineup somehow. At this point do you try Clark? I know getting sick set him back but surely he can at least luck into one occasionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Well that kind of puts the nail in the coffin. That shows he can't hit quality pitching. His hits and average have come from feasting on non conference pitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It's time to give Clark or anyone else a shot. Those SEC stats are mind numbingly bad and he is also an average defensive player at best.
I'll be honest- I forgot about Pimentel. Whatever we do probably won't be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Why is Clark not getting more at bats? The ones I have seen he seemed patient and got some walks. Hell he has hit one bomb hasn’t he?
Whoa.....Oh My!!!!! That is worse than one could have imagined, thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I think he has 1 hit that was a bomb to RF. Otherwise he has struck out a bunch along with walks although he only has 10 or so ABs. The thing with him is there is a lot of potential. As a freshman, he should only get better and has power that Hatcher doesn't. Pimental also has power so if nothing else maybe you get an occasional dinger that you don't get from Hatcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
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Originally Posted by Coach34
I forgot Pimentel too...why have we not given him a chance over Hatcher??Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yeah I mean you look at Hatcher this year and then his total sec stats there's no way pimentel could be any worse. It's time we give Clark or pimentel a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
ETA and Clark would be a big upgrade defensively over Hatcher
100%Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
Maybe make Clark the new starter and allow Pimentel some DH opportunities if Hammer doesn't start hammering more
added a few notes for those that might not remember:
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Originally Posted by Coach34
I think James glove is ok he just hurries his throws.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
I wouldn't go Pimentel. I don't think he's the answer at this point and any AB's he got would take away Clark's development.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I hate to pile on, but his problems are compounded by the fact that he doesn't walk either.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
The lineup should be:
1. Rowdey
2. TA
3. Kam
4. Luke
5. LT
6. Dubrule
7. Cumbest
8. Clark
9. Forsythe
I would probably play Hatcher vs Lefties, because Hatcher does put the ball in play and Kellum would probably struggle against Quality Lefties.
I would play Skinner some over Cumbest but it wouldn't be a straight platoon meaning i would still let Cumbest start against Righties unless he really starts to struggle.
He swung at the 1st pitch 3 of 4 AB's on Sunday and at least half for the weekend- probably 2/3'sQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Sunday pitching:
1. Fristoe: Limit to 1 time thru
2. Harding: 1 time thru
3. Tullar 1 inning
4. Stinnett 1 inning
5. Sims 1 inning if available.
You have to have adjustability of course, but this would be my plan. If Cerantola comes along, you can throw him into the mix for a one inning stint. Maybe the 7th inning.
And most teams shift him up the middle and pull side to take away the groundball hits he may have gotten in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I would platoon Debrule/Leggett.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I would play Cumbest for the next 2 weeks and let's see what happens. He is hitting .385 and its like the coaching staff is pretending it isnt happening.
Skinner is getting exposed on breaking balls. he has got to keep working.
Hatcher gets up there and flails away- we cant keep that up at this point. He leads the country in groundouts to 2B
I played 1st base for 20 years from tball to semi-pro. It's not that damn hard. People just have to put the work in.
You either force Clark in and let him get his lumps the next month- or you stay the course with Hatcher. We are at the point of no return here soon.
Yes to it all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Why does Luke get a pass? He ain?t hitting either. Batting cleanup?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
We need to stop wasting the DH spot. Leggett and McDonald are looking more lively with the bat.
Yeah, Luke had a hot start and could get hot again
Funny Hach puts the ball in play... ground balls to the 2nd baseman are double plays. Rather Pimentel swing for the homerun and strikeout than a DP.
Luke gets a pass b/c he has quality AB's. He has a .400 OB %. He is 2nd on the team in HR's with 7. He produces runs. And he rarely strikes out. And he is by far our best option at the DH spot. Hopefully, that answers your question.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Pimentel isn't the answer. I don't know what to tell you. Clark is better than Pimentel already and he's only a freshman so why would you even consider Pimentel over Clark.
Rowdey
TA
Kam
LT
Hancock
Cumbest
Clark
Debrule
Forsythe
And I tell Forsythe, your glove is good son, but you better stop watching fastballs down the gut and swing the bat. Clark is a freshman.
What about moving Kam to 1b. Catching the grounder is not the problem. It’s the throwing part. Put Clark at 3b. I think Kam would do good at 1b. He has the frame and length and the glove for it. Just work with him some. We have three teams that aren’t that great to end the season in Mizz, Bama, and A&M.
I’m not pulling him from the line-up as he is one of the top players we have in QAB’s. Hit .272 this weekend, knocked in a run every game, walked 2 times with only 2 K’s this weekend, has lowest K total of any starter, and third highest OBP of any regular hitter. He is the one player that you can count on to give you the most good AB’s even when he is off. Now as a clean-up guy? I can see the question but our 1-4 hitters are our best hitters and he is one of the 4. Unless, we pull Hatch and someone takes off, I don’t see who you put there? Flip him and James? I don’t like that as much as keeping the switch, left, right left combo. No way I mess with Tanner’s spot right now. Leave him be in the 2 hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Truth is we're missing that one true lead off guy. I was hoping it would be Dubrule, then once he wasn't producing I thought maybe Skinner...nope. Imagine if Dubrule could be that guy...suddenly you have Rowdey in the 2 hole, TA at 3, Kam clean up, and the bottom gets fairly strong with Tanner, Hancock, Cumbest then Clark and Forsythe. I hate to screw with the top of the order since they are producing right now...but now that Rowdey is hitting, it may not be the worst time to try a guy like Dubrule back at the 1 spot because he'd get a ton of good pitches ahead of Rowdey and TA, and Dubrule has actually started to hit a little lately. Just a thought, and probably not a very good one. Just trying to think of a way to put Rowdey and TA in more RBI spots
I completely agree. Dubrule would be a great fit in the leadoff spot if he keeps going, but I don't think there's a chance they move Rowdey with him going again. Knowing our luck, it would send him into a mega-slump.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I would actually agree with this. Try DeBrule back up there. If it don’t work, he’ll put Hancock. He doesn’t K. He puts balls in play and works counts. He walks a good bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Hancock
Rowdy
TA
Kam
LT
Cumbest
Clark
Debrule
Forsythe
Very true. Lemonis has some tough calls to make in my opinion....Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Play to win it all, which requires bold lineup changes and potential ridicule if they fail.
Or
Ride it as is, while knowing it's not a recipe for Omaha success...but hope not enough people realize moves need to be made in the lineup.
I'm betting he sticks with the safe option, and that's a shame.
Are the calls that tough? Just play Cumbest and Clark. I wouldn't mess with the top 5 in the order.
I definitely think Hancock has everything needed except speed...and I'd hate to slow down Rowdey and TA with Hammer in front of them. But I like the outside the box thought for sure. If you try anyone else at #1 I'd probably go...Quote:
Originally Posted by TNDawg35
Dubrule
Rowdey
TA
Kam
Hancock
Tanner
Cumbest
Clark
Forsythe
It's more traditional, and we'd definitely be relying on Dubrule's 10 year college career experience to come in to play down the stretch...but I don't hate it.
That's the most logical thing to do, but at this point do we really think he's going to bench Hatcher? I hope so, but he hasn't yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Keep beating the drum... haha. He's where he needs to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Cumbest wouldn't be that tough of a call. Playing Clark would. In a big way.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg