Bonds had the strongest wrists and forearms I've ever seen in a batter's box
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Bonds had the strongest wrists and forearms I've ever seen in a batter's box
This all day long. Going to any game no matter what level it is is better than watching it on TV. I love going to the minor league game in Biloxi, jabbering with the opposing players, eating the food and experiencing ambience of the stands and field can't be beat. And oh if JR never got hurt he would have both HR records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I have to disagree. And I know it?s peoples opinions but Hank is 3rd in hits all time and 1st in RBI?s to go along with his HR?s and he didn?t strikeout a ton either. I?m not saying he is ahead of Babe, Williams or Cobb but he has to be in the discussion of Top 6 pure hitters of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Well thank you captain obvious, maybe we rename you ToddWaterIsWet or ToddSkyIsBlue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
No the broader point is that strikeouts, walks, and the occasional home run are yawnfests. I like what they are doing experimenting in the minors with some "pro-action" policies.
If they're really serious about improving the product and being proactive they need to start letting computers call the strike zone instead of letting the Angel Hernandez's of the world use MLB as their attention whore platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
And then that needs to trickle down to SEC/CWS umpires ASAP after that.
Nothing is worse than losing in a championship setting because an umpire has his head up his ass- like the one that called the MSU/Louisville game in Omaha two years ago. Or losing a WS game in large part because of a blown call that would have been overturned with replay like the Cardinals in 1985.
Agree. They also need to end the replay of "did the runner slightly come off the bag for a split second and therefore is out" replay. Replay should only be used in plays at 1st, did the fielder catch the ball or did it hit the ground, and scoring plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Oh, so my book is a outdated? is that all you got?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Babe was on beer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Umm, the Baby Ruth candy bar was named after Grover Cleveland's daughter, not Babe Ruth.
Hell....I thought this was about Babe McCarthy.....the best basketball coach MSU ever had!!
It?s hard to compare eras. I think you have to compare players to their peers at the time. I think the runner up on HR the year The Babe hit 60 had 15! Incredible!
Ted Williams is the greatest hitter that ever lived. The babe, Mays, Aaron are all at the top as well.
Ted Williams missing prime years to be a fighter pilot is amazing too
Slight change in direction:
Randy Johnson is the greatest pitcher of all time.
Tiger woods did.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Other than Hank Aaron.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
He may be. Cy Young pitched like 500 complete games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Mantle, Ruth, Williams, Mays and Cobb were All great. Hell, I will throw Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, Cobb, Arod, Ken G Jr, and Rose in there as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman
When you talk about the greatest player there are really only 3-4 players that make the conversation. The coolest thing is to talk about who are the 5-25 best players.
He's certainly up there and may be. You've got guys like Koufax, Gibson, Clemens, Maddux, Martinez that are up there. Of course you can't forget about Ryan who may be the best to never win a Cy Young.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Walter Johnson is considered the consensus best of all time by most. Even adjusting with today?s metrics. Bob Feller, Tom Seaver, Left Grove, bunch of greats. Mariano Rivera has to up there even though he was a closer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
He doesn't even hold the record. Bonds does.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Let's dont leave out Nolan Ryan. Had he played for some better teams in his career- he would have won 400 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Well no but the poster I responded to had mentioned Ryan already. Kofax was already mentioned as well but wish he had pitched longer. To always be in this conversation with such a short career is pretty amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Koufax has the best stuff I have ever seen (on video). He retired at 30 and had he pitched another 10 years there is no telling what his numbers would have looked like. I highly doubt his arm would have help up though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Really admire Koufax for standing up for his religious beliefs as well.
Team vs individual sports is different. The only comparable to Ruth in baseball is 2001-2004 Bonds as far as being so far above the league norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Really? I mean from 2001-2004 Bonds lead the league in HR?s just once when he hit 73. Sosa hit 64 that same year with like 2-3 more guys over 50. Statistically with metrics he had some of the best seasons by those measurements but he wasn?t close to lapping the rest of field like Ruth did. If you go by WAR, both Ruth and Mays had better 5 year stretch?s than Bonds 2000-2004 years. If you are comparing with their contemporary peers, you have a strong case that Pedro Martinez in the late 90?s early 2000?s was actually a fair amount more dominate than other pitchers vs Bonds against other position players. Especially looking at his ERA+ numbers. Also, some of the other numbers like FIP lead many to believe that as great as he was, it should have been even better with a little better defense behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Don't forget how much Bonds was just put on 1st base - he was walked with the bases loaded! Sammy Sosa can't compare, not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I'll add also that the guys like Walter Johnson didn't have the pitcher friendly strike zone a lot of these other ones did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
This is the kind of thread I come to ED for. One of the best...
Babe is the best all around ball player to ever play, way ahead of his time. You can't compare eras, you compare players against their peers, and the Babe was so far ahead of everyone else, just ridiculous.
Admittingly, I enjoyed the "steroid era", and watched alot of ball back then. Today's MLB doesn't interest me as much.