Next season hinges on Stewart returning. If he bolts- that will be a big blow.
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Next season hinges on Stewart returning. If he bolts- that will be a big blow.
Saw where Stewart is ranked #32 in latest nba mock draft. Still need to find a good 3 pt shooter even if he comes back.
Analytics say we were the 3rd worst offense in sec play this season.
I'd say most of that is TOs and FT shooting. I expect both to get better with another year of experience. Losing Stewart would be a huge blow thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog1
Absolutely. Always better to be playing than watching.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
Yes, we ranked #314 in offensive t.o. % and #327 in ft %. That is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Howland should get 1 more year to see what happens, but he can?t afford any of the following: No bad non conference losses and at least 11-7 most likely 12-6 in SEC play. Then make the NCAA tournament and win the first round. As long as he does those 3 things, he will be good to come back the next year and then he will be re evaluated based on what is returning. Yes, I understand that is Stansbury level, but doing this prior to retirement would help us hire a quality coach
So if we made the tourney and we lost 1st round, you'd fire him? That's ridiculous. Expecting tourney next season is fair though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG
We shoulda hired Kermit.
I would have thought different before JC hired Moorhead and NMP but now, I don't want him to hire another coach. Jury still out on ML. He could be 1-4 or 2-4 at best. Batting .500 is good in baseball so I guess JC thinks he is leading the pack in AD performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
You don't have to look far to see it can get a lot worse - remember after Stans left? At least we are relevant instead of doormat. I don't want to nuke MBB again or football or baseball or any sport MSU is doing well in - WBB.
Kermit wouldn't have us in any better position. He's 26-28 in SEC play over 3 seasons now. His top 4 scorers this year are all upperclassmen and still only went 16-11 (10-8).Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Don't get me wrong, I like Kermit and we should have hired him over Rick Ray - but Kermit ain't gonna move the needle on where the program is currently.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I disagree and I don't like admitting it. Howland's only advantage over Kermit is Crootin' Swag. Kermit is Light's Out Better on the Court. He proved it this year by doing better than Howland's Dogs with Less Talent Overall. And that SUCKS, but True. So Cohen had an option of Kermit / Ray? Great, now I'm pissed off all over again. That should be a fireable offense. No excuse for an AD to be allowed to Fornicate Up that bad and still keep a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
They're both in the NIT and we got there replacing what 80% of our scoring from last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Thanks for that 7, makes sense too. I just think Kermit's doing a much better job based on overall talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Stricklin hired Ray not Cohen.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
About that talent - Here are the top 6 scorers for each team
Stewart (.94 4*) Molinar (.89 3*) T. Smith (not rated) Ado (.92 4*) D Smith (.98 4*) Johnson (.83 3*)
Shuler (.93 4*) Joiner(Not rated) White(.97 4*) Buffen (.88 3*) Rodriguiez (.89 3*) Murrell (.98 4*)
There is almost no difference in MSU and OM
thanks for that. I was guessing I guess. FK Stricklin'; so how do the HS Resume's compare between us and the Shit up North? I'm thinking that our guys are about 1.375% higher in Star Power.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Well ATFQ ... Did Stans 17 your wife, sister, girlfriend, you or your mom? Your hatred is way beyond 'normal.'
I lived through Kermit's dad. I don't want ANY part of Jr.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Howland is an elite recruiter but an average floor coach... Just like someone else.
I'd wait until a few more years to see what Kermit does with teams of only players he recruited.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Jimmies and Joes.
Would Jerk to whippin' Confed ASS in the NIT, hopefully we'll get a chance to cross dat bridgeQuote:
Originally Posted by thf24
I literally have zero hatred of Stands. I hate our fans that try to make him something he isnt. Guys like you that get mad when I point out he is the 1st WK coach in modern history that couldnt get them in the NCAA Tourney within 5 years of taking the job. Making him their worst coach in modern historyQuote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
That's not how you judge coaches in 1-bid leagues. Making the tournament is a function of who happens to get hot one weekend. Much better to judge based on conference W/L, where Stansbury compares favorably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Look in a mirrorQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Winningest MBB coach in school history.
Entire history of this board, I have NEVER, EVER started a single thread ABOUT Stansberry. What say you OP?
Think you are good for at least 5 -10 threads a BB season.
Who's obsessed?
Ill take the guy that won an SEC Title plus made the Sweet 16 and a Final FourQuote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
I didn?t say fire him, especially with Cohen as our AD. I said we would need to re evaluate. He has underachieved too much though with the talent he has been given, so his leash is short. Doing the things I mentioned should get him another 2 years if he wants to keep coaching. Not doing that I think we should just encourage retirement and roll the dice. I would try to look at a coach that has underachieved with the talent he has been dealt at a school for 4-5 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Stans should have been fired as soon as Sidney threw that punch and the senior captain was the one who left the team and not Sidney.
He like Jackie, was left around too long and lost control of the program and it needed a total reboot. We fire Stans sooner and we can get a good coach to try to continue the momentum.
I could be losing track but I thought that was the main reason Stans was fired. Did he get another year after that? I thought he was done the year of Sidney and the reason for his firing was that and not necessarily his coaching results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayburn8
Guess I would take the one that won the SEC title in 2004, and three SECT titles, won 458 games in 14 years, and actually had a winning SEC record, owning the SEC West, AND the Coach that Recruited the Players on those '91 SEC Championship, sweet 16 and Final Four teams from '90-'98.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Richard Williams Miss State 1987 1998 12 354 191 163 .540 202 89 113 .441
Rick Stansbury Campbellsville 1999 2012 14 458 293 165 .641 224 122 102 .545
Rick Ray Grand View 2012 2015 3 92 36 56 .391 50 12 38 .240
Ben Howland Weber State 2015 5+ 188 110 78 .585 104 49 55 .471
He's already their 4th winningest coach ever in less than 5 years. And played for the conference 3 years in a row now, losing all 3 in a one bid league. If you're using ncaa tourney appearances as the sole metric, howland is way way way worse at MSU than stans (Ben's been to one ncaa tourney in five seasons (20%) and stans did it six times in fourteen seasons (43%)).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But let's assume you're right that Ben has us at stans level - we ran off our coach and destroyed our program only to be at the same place we were 10 years later.
Except that we aren’t being laughed at because of the rampant drug use and drama as we were 10 years ago. Not seeing the cases of Moultrie Knee these days or highlights of team fights on TV. That’s why Stands lost his job- not his coaching record
Stands was one of the best crooters' to coach at MSU. But I think he put too much effort with certain croots. Like RSidney. Lost Control because some players were controlling HIM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Entire history of this board, I have NEVER, EVER started a single thread ABOUT Stansberry. What say you OP?
Yo, how many Coach?
I'll take an ncaa tourney every other year on average and some drama over one tourney a decade and no drama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Also, should we fire leach for the embarrassing brawl at the bowl game that was posted all over the internet and had talking heads like herbie condemning us?
Totally different situations. The team was not infighting. We beat the shit out of a punk ass team that would not stop ****ing with us before the game even started. They got what they deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
And Herbstreit can eat my ass. He's a pompous prick.
Holy shit!!! LMAO!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yeah I had had too much cough medicine when I posted that
On a serious note, hope the heart is betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Stans was a very good coach overall; his record speaks for itself. Williams did some good things but why didn't he win against a weaker Syracuse team? If Williams had played Xaxier that year we got bounced early, he would have lost too. Stans won a lot and we were like 3rd in SEC as far as programs for most of those years behind UK and UF. People forget how good we were. Remember Rick's Rowdies? The Hump was rockin.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
shannondog would have approved this message! RIP to one of the better Basketball donors, he loved Stans. I miss his friendship.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg