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The good and bad. Well bad is obvious but the good in this is that any good up and coming DC knows he can come thru Starkville and up his stock. We may not be the final destination but while they are here we are still good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
We need to just pony up and pay top end money to keep coordinators. Money is the great equalizer and while Texas has more of it than us I bet we are willing to pay more to keep Arnett. Or, at least, I hope we are. The issue in the past has largely been that we didn?t have an administration (or boosters) willing to pay top dollar for coordinators.
We need to pay a coordinator enough that they are willing to stay and only leave for HC positions.
I said it earlier, they have a better chance to win their league, thus a better chance to win a national championship, have more resources, better recruiting base etc etc. only state people w glasses on would disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
According to an article by the Long Horn Network, Muschamp declined the job and Barry Odom is their next target along with a chance of Ash staying. The article doesn’t even mention Arnett.
We matched Florida's offer for Mullen, he still left. We matched FLoridas offer for Grantham, he still left with Mullen. We matched waht Bama offered Brian Baker, he still left. We matched what Texas offered Vic, he still left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
At some point we have to accept the fact that AD's are attracted to coaches from big name programs. Or they know it doens't matter, but they think they can sell a hire to the fanbase better if it's a hire from a big name school. "our new HC was the DC at 10-2 Texas" sounds better than "our new HC was the DC at 7-5 Mississippi State", even if the defensive ranking for both teams is the same. Fans are dumb and don't really think about the fact that a 8th ranked D at State is more impressive than an 8th ranked D at Texas due to our lesser talent. Fans think anyone that's coached at a big successful school learned the secret to being a winner while he was there.
As long as that's true, coaches will leave us. Improving our own perception nationally will reduce that incentive, but it will still be there. Money alone can't always make up for the increased HC potential coordinators get by being at big programs
Good lord man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
This guy is rightQuote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
And I assume you are at the top of the line to help pay for this correct?? Which wouldn't matter, but I at least know where to go to help.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
They have more resources- no one is debating that. But just because somewhere has more resources doesn't make it a better situation. A lot of bluebloods have internal issues. See Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
With all of their resources- look at the kind of coaches that they are pulling. Herman came from Houston and we pulled Leach from a P5 school. Charlie Strong? And the guy that they just hired was a candidate for our job and we chose Leach over him.
I'm saying that sometimes it's better to wait than just jump at the first opportunity especially as a DC because those jobs come open much more frequently.
Arnett bought a farm here.
Then call him an idiot. Texas has internal issues and he doesn't want any part of it, per people inside the building. He may be filling us full of shit but he's telling his peers here he isn't interested, just like Odom told them he wasn't interested and just like Muschamp told them he isn't interested. We upped his salary to 7 figures. Of course Texas could pay him more if they really wanted to but they aren't going to pay a DC ten times more than the going rate that is as inexperienced as Arnett. They will just move on to the next guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
No ... This makes a lot of sense. Alcoholics can fall back at any time - it's a constant struggle for them. One screw up is enough to get him fired and where does that leave his staff..... The guy screwed up and never even got to coach a game at USC before he was canned. Maybe working under Saban helped him but now he is back on his own with an incredible amount of pressure on him and the temptation is real. Very valid point or considerationQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgsfanalongtime77
I hadn't heard that. But so did Vic. And I'm not saying he's leaving. Just pointing out, buying stuff that's an asset doesn't make one stay here. Or wherever.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Shouldn't over pay him. Or anyone w his experience for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Arnett is definitely the first MSU coach I have ever heard call out his neighbors by their names as being great people in a press conference. He even mentioned them helping him with a stuck zero turn. Of course, my first question is, can't we just pay someone to cut his grass? But some people find it relaxing I guess.....
He is definitely a perfect cultural fit for Mississippi State....straight shooter, hard edge, guys would run through a brick wall for him. That being said, foolish not to think their are other jobs he might find very enticing.
He coached a year and half at SCQuote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
yeah not sure what fish was thinking on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I hope he stays, but let us also not forget that Arnett had been Syracuse's DC for all of 11 days before he accepted our offer.
That's a good point, but it would be hard to turn down an offer to coach in the SEC. I put more stock in that he is from New Mexico and coaching at Texas would put him closer to home, though I don't know much that matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
If TX wants him, they will get him. ND might too but that's less clear.
And we would likely take a step back on defense, and that will cost us games next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Yeah, ND is a little more tricky...just ask Chip Long. Talent wise they are still a long way from winning the National Championship but that would be the expectation. If they don't make the Final 4 again then the DC will probably be viewed as a disappointment.
More likely 2 Men and a Truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Well the start of improving our perception(other than winning) would be to increase our Athletics budget higher than our in state rival! That would be the first step because like it or not the ?national? perception is and has been that Mississippi is a better program than Mississippi State.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
If it didn't change after 2014 and Hugh's demise with that kind of exposure, it's not going to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
sorry ... 60 year old brain fart - it happens. And now I can't remember who that was that got canned before coaching a gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawgfan77
Mike price at bama!! Was cause of drinking though!! Well, I'm sure he was drinking too!! Ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Arnett will not be going to Texas
Ding ding ding! This is the first year since 2015 OM has had the same or better record than us, and they went 10-3 that year, the same as our best record of the decade in '14.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
If having the same "high water mark", far more success on average, and them getting busted for cheating doesn't change national perception, nothing will.
It's not about W's or L's, it's about marketing and attitude. OM gives off an impression of being successful, and they're better at marketing largely due to their selling of the Grove and the journalism school influencing those that create the narrative.
Exactly. Meanwhile we're telling all of our seniors to go pro and our coaches how much better other jobs are than ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
Also I may have been thinking of George O-Leary when Notre-Dame canned him for lying on his resume - I don't think he ever coached a game for themQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I sure hope Bert Stare disagreesQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Ah yes. That one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
^^This. The self-loathing attitude gets old if we ever want our program to get where we want it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Ain't that the truth. Doesn't make any sense but maybe that's a hold over from 2020 when nothing made sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State