Well, they did go from #9 in Total D in '19 to #83 in '20; and from #7 in scoring D to #70. That's a pretty concerning drop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
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Well, they did go from #9 in Total D in '19 to #83 in '20; and from #7 in scoring D to #70. That's a pretty concerning drop off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I said a similar thing, I may have said 3-5 but it wasn't going to be long.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
I can't remember Bryant (too young), so I say sabanQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
If Florida is stupid enough to get rid of Dan then they deserve the MASSIVE drop off they would have. Mullen is a Top 5 coach and Florida won't be lucky enough to find anywhere near that level of coach if they fire Dan coming off an SEC Championship. Good coaches are always going to be a commodity. It's the nature of the business. I've never understood why a majority of people get butthurt when a coach interviews for a higher profile job. I mean I don't think someone would stay in a lower level job if someone offered a management position just because of the #FAMILY. Which is also a crock with the way fans run down the players. It's a business. I don't fault Dan one bit for seeing if an NFL job is out there. He's said for years, even when he was here, that the NFL is his ultimate goal.
And yet, he got FL on probation with illegal contact with recruits and a personal' show cause!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Totally different. While I was shocked an NFL team actually hired Kingsbury, they did it because he was synonymous with the Air Raid and was a sexy name.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Nothing about Mullen would excite any NFL fan base, and while he's had success in college, he hasn't had enough and doesn't run a system they want.
The NFL is full of boring no name coaches. As a matter of fact I bet you can't name 20 NFL coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I didn't mind Dan looking for a job. I minded him not doing our job when looking for a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Bill Belicheck, Joe Judge, Kliff Kingsbury, Pete Carrol, Bruce Arians, Ron Rivera, Mike McCarthy, Doug Pederson, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, Mike Zimmer, Mike Vrabel, Sean McDermott, Matt LaFleur, Jon Gruden, Sean McVay, Matt Rhule and Kyle Shanahan.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Not trying to argue with you, I just wanted to see if I could do it off the top of my head lol. But to your credit, 20 is all I could think of.
How did he do the two years before ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Niceee! I had to rep you for getting to 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
What? Kingsbury was nothing. He was fired at TTU as an HC and considered a good catch by USC as OC. He was no more flashy a name than Muschamp would be. Gus had 10x the resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Kingsbury was hired because they thought his scheme would work and he could manage NFL personalities. Basically they thought his college problems was recruiting.
Mullen -if he is hired- will be hired for the same reasons. He's always adapted his O's to his personnel, and is a QB savant. Unlike Kingsbury he's shown he can build a program, and emphasize things like physicality. I don't think his personality meshes well in the player focused NFL, but there's plenty of reasons an NFL team would want him.
He has 5x the name recognition and resume as Kliff did. He's far higher respected too; Kliff had to take a blue blood OC job, if Mullen was fired 2 weeks ago he'd be at Auburn or Texas as their HC. Kliff worked out, but in no way was Kliff a "sexy name" and Mullen not
Yeah, and if you don't care about getting a coach that will excite people, there are 50 candidates you might hire before Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Kingsbury was hired partly to excite people because of the offense he runs. If you do care about that, you definitely won't hire Mullen. So he had something going for him that Mullen doesn't.
Twitter verse now reporting Mullen has an interview in Atlanta.
Pretty sure smoot is a falcon guy, so that would be funny if he gets the jobQuote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
He wouldn't even have to move to a new house if he gets the Jacksonville job. But wasn't there some talk a year or two ago about moving the Jacksonville team to London? It's a pretty small (population wise) area, Green Bay notwithstanding, to have an NFL team.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I remember Bryant, sort of vaguely. I'd say Saban as well - I don't think Bryant was as dominant as Saban is.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The Bear was a great motivator, his players loved him. It would be hard to say who was the greatest, both coaches changed their styles over time such as offenses. Pretty sure Bear's staff were more dedicated to the Bear. You need to read the book or story about the Bear and his A&M teams, Junction Boys, 10 days summer camp held in Junction Texas. It's an amazing story, players would leave camp sneaking out at midnight and never coming back! LOL, Bear also coached at Kentucky when Rubb was HC/Basketball. He left Ky when the alumni gave Rubb a Cadillac and the Bear received a watch. The Bear knew football wasn't important at Ky so he left and took the Aggie job.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Side note, most wouldn't know who John David Crow was, Heisman trophy RB winner who played for the Bear at A&M. Crow was the AD at NLU when I was assistant basketball coach/Basketball. The stories he told me about the Bear would blow some away, tough ass Coach and like I stated players loved him.
Bryant had a 30+ game SEC win streak which is remarkable. But Saban is in the discussion for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
Bryant did great things but no one has done what Saban has in an era where SEC is bigger and better than ever. Scholarship limits and more talent available than when Bryant coached. In the playoff era, Saban has had to win more NC on the field of play too. Bryant got the media NC a lot just by popular votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
In '18 28th in Total D, 20 in scoring. '17 is irrelevant to UF fans since he was at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I'm not agreeing with them, I like Grantham - but they had a Sirmon-ish defense this year compared to a typical UF defense.
Didn?t they have a lot of defensive players graduate and/or move on last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I think Dan would do OK in the NFL with a good roster. Obviously if he's taking over an expansion team or something like that he's going to suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
To me his biggest weakness was his recruiting. He won't have to do that in the NFL. And the other thing is he would go way conservative against a superior team like Alabama. In the NFL there isn't an Alabama really although yes there are dynasty's. So I suspect he would be Ok play calling in the NFL based on how he play calls against teams with relatively equal or worse talent. The thing about that though is he may have to hire an OC. I'm not sure how many NFL coaches call their own plays but I'm pretty sure every team has an OC that can call plays while the head coach is managing the team at least at times. I don't know who Dan would hire as his OC so that would be interesting to me to see what direction he goes with that. I'd be kind of curious to see if he reunites with Sallach at TE coach.
I think his offense will be OK too. See Trask. And it worked fine with Dak too where we threw the ball a good bit.
One question I do have is who would be on his defensive staff. I think that might be why he is keeping Grantham at least in part. Grantham has some NFL experience. I know Brian Baker and Deshea Townsend have NFL experience and I think Dan would bring Christian Robinson with him. Maybe Dan will hire some of our former players as assistants- Johnthan Banks as a defensive assistant?
He would also have to hire a ST coach- LOL. Maybe he goes out and gets Chris Boniol?
That's a good point. I'm not really saying that Bryant was better. But between 77-80 Bryant may have been more dominant than Saban in any three year stretch- for now at least. It's inevitable that Saban is going to have more National Titles than Bear at Alabama. I'm wondering if he wants to win more games than the Bear a well.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Such completely different eras to say who was better. It?s a matter of opinion to most. But saban won 3 in the bcs era so the popular vote nonsense is not a debateQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Damn Base I didn't know you coached at at NLU, notice my location is West Monroe. My cousin-in-law Elbert Southall coached under John David Crow while he was the football coach. Did you know him?Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
No I can't recall that name. I only remember a few football coaches, one was JB Grimes who was a GA. I lived in Monroe 79-83. I have several good friends who live in Monroe. Benny Hollis was the HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Like I said JDC was an interesting no nonsense guy. He left NLU and opened up a Coors Distributorship which failed mostly because the beer had to be refrigerated in a warehouse.
I got out of Coaching and missed it for many years, but there was no money back then in coaching, my last year at NLU I made $17,000, but I had insurance and a University Car, LOL. Now days the money is off the chart! LOL.
If Dan was the hire in ATL, which I don't think he will be, that would tell me that ATL is planning on a full rebuild and will draft a QB in the first or take Trask on Day 2 and let him sit behind Ryan for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
I?ve often wondered if you gave Saban a class of 1 & 2 star recruits with an occasional 3 star, how much of a ?coaching god? would he be.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
HE wouldn't. just check mich st.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medic601
Saban has learned A LOT since then. Now I'm not under some illusion that he'd compete for championships with 1 & 2 stars but I think he'd lead them to 7 and 8 win seasons every year with the ability to throw together a 9-11 win season every few years. The Process works because of Saban. It works better because of where he's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'm not sure there is a more "all in for football than" Alabama! They had tradition way back but fell off the wagon till the Bear came calling when momma called. He pretty much built Bama, Saban has as much resources needed as any football program in the country. Both are the GOATS imo.
I'm not arguing he hasn't improved, he has i'm sure. However, the last two jobs are premier jobs and get elite talent. Without elite talent, you don't win big. He never had it at Mich st and thus his results. Now if he went back to Mich state it would be better, they are a much better program, partly do to him, and his name carries so much weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
According to this Leach is #6 on the hot seat...hahahahah https://www.coacheshotseat.com/
This is bullshit...no way Mullen is on the hot seat
Only hot seat for Leach right now is his chair out in the sun in Key West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs