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Originally Posted by Dawgology
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You are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
was it K Rogers that was lobbying some of our boosters ? ... Sounds like a good place to start if you're lookingQuote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
This thread shows why you cannot get too high or low in recruiting. Getting John Lewis and securing MJ Daniels shows that the sky isn't falling. Pounders may become a great player, but he's a mid 3 star. His loss more than ours. It looks like we will finish strong.
Very true. Leach has seen a lot in his day, I'm sure. But there is a reason we are usually on the wrong side of losing recruits just short of signing day. Nowadays I really don't believe any recruit till I see the pen hit the paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
I would assume if you look at the entire list of 5 stars you will have the full list of all those on the take.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
you would still be about $170K shortQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
5 star generational type QB, yeah but Leach can get a good enough QB on his own. Let's start paying 25k for 5 star DE and WRQuote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I do think Cohen & Keenum definitely want to win. But you may be giving them way too much credit to believe that they somehow have the true ability to diagnose an issue that is keeping us from winning. Neither Keenum or Cohen have ever run a P5 football program or tried to recruit a high profile football player to a school that does not have the greatest of winning traditions. Cohen has recruited to MSU baseball but that is a piece of cake compared to recruiting to MSU football.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Losing a mid-tier OL recruit should not phase anyone or make anyone despair. OL recruits are the absolute toughest to project from HS to college, especially all the way to the Power 5. It seems most of our best OL stars over the years have been some of the least recruited. All in all it just seems to be a total crapshoot for that position. Just need to get someone with a good frame that has a mean streak and a desire to improve through taking to coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
You usually have great information but were completely wrong on this. Why were you so sure he would flip? The rumblings I?ve heard is he has been nothing but straight up with our coaches and his family have a great relationship with our staff. He has been all Dog and his confirmation today proves that. Just curious why you were so sure on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
It was a gut feeling along w some info. Wont go into any of it. But hey, at this juncture I'm wrong. And I'm glad. We want him and need him I'll eat the crow no biggie. But I don't get caught up at what any of them say on social media. For good or bad. That goes for all of them. Things change as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Gotcha. Glad you were wrong on this one. Glad your sources were wrong here too. From what I?ve seen of his recruitment, it looked like he was a straight shooter with our coaches and everything. Just wanted to understand where all the negativity was coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I can guarantee you I’m not. We are waaaaaaaaay behind in our shadow recruiting. Like...waaaaaaay behind. This is evidenced by our head to head recruiting results for 4-star+ players.Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
What 4 star + players have we missed on head to head this year and where are those players going instead of here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
This year none so far. But we haven’t squared off with many people other SEC schools this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
We paid Leo 10K. Most prospects don’t command that much. Ole Miss requires their boosters to donate 1K minimum to be a part of the process. They have different cells throughout the state.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I'm not saying Dawgology is right. I hope he's not, but if we're all honest with ourselves we've seen many 4 star players that we thought at some point were coming to State flip and go elsewhere, a lot to Ole Miss. Just off the top of my head I can name Kailo Moore, Nick Brassell, C.J. Johnson but I looked up a few others over the year and there's Charles Moore (btw we lose a lot of recruiting battles to Auburn and not just speaking about Cam), Deon Mix, A.J. Brown, Scott Lashley, Raekwon Davis, ???Can't remember if we were ever in it for Channing Ward or not??? These are just in state players I didn't look elsewhere. We've had huge wins too but one of those cases I know in particular for a fact we got him in spite of all the "extra curriculars" that were being thrown at him because (mainly) he just wanted to be at State.
Edit: btw I realize the last few were never committed to state but Brown and Lashley should have been locks and Raekwon Davis was thought by many to be coming to State.
Raekwon and Lashley both committed to State for about 30 seconds. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
Wow I had forgotten all about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
Who's money are you usingQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
not yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg
Well we can only judge this staff on this year. And we won John Lewis head to head and mj Daniels (not consensus 4 star but 247 4 star) head to head and apparently about to win Harmon head to head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
This staff is more than holding its own so far with 4 star kids it has targeted.
Harmon doesn't have an offer from OM.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
This staff is recruiting just as well as Moorhead and Mullen. I think potentially they'll recruit even better down the road, especially if we can keep Jamar Chaney, Mason Smith, Rod Gibson, and others on staff.
When did OM pull their offer??? Because I know he had an offer this Fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
Harmon may not have a committable offer if that's what you mean. But he's got an offer from OM and many othersQuote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
I think we've been doing that, at least for DE. I think Denico Autry's recruitment was pretty stout.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
But generally I don't knowo that $25k is very competitive for 5 stars.
Whatever we have been offering for WR has obviously not been enough prior to the last year or two.
Damn 25k isn't considered a strong-ass offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I don't know. And I don't have any inside info. I just say that based on what I have picked up from following recruiting on the different sites. Maybe IYOK will weigh in and clarify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Westdawg
Do what? If he doesn't have a committable offer, then he doesn't have an offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
False.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
Explain....Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I thought the implication has been that OM had to back off Harmon because of The Driver's meddling.
Ole Miss offered him. They were very much in the mix over the last year and this summer. They've backed off in recent months, but that doesn't mean they pulled his offer or that he doesn't have one from them. They would have taken his commitment at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
Schools give kids offers all the time that aren't committable. I guess you can argue that non-commitable offers aren't really offers, but getting an offer from a school means they're interested in you more than anything. But sometimes they won't take your commitment right away due to numbers being tight or the need for more evaluation. It seems silly but that's just the way recruiting has evolved.
This is exactly what I would argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Well then half of the kids we sign don't have offers except from us.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandwolf
I just count offers extended of any kind as offers because it's a good gauge of the type of player you're getting. If LSU or Alabama were interested in you enough to give you an "offer," then you're probably a pretty good player.
I'm not sure but that's certainly plausible. Having a fan that close to recruits is only inviting trouble when they're out there running their own de facto recruiting service.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
I rest my ****ing case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
HmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
We have the pussiest boosters of any school in the SEC. be prepared for a solid 4-6 years of 3-5 win seasons until our dumbass AD figures things out. **** Cohen. And **** our cigarillo chumps.