Defient, we have a very vocal, small minority that is negative right now.
The overwhelming majority of the fan base sees the progress.
We're better right now on offense than we have been 2017 & basically doing it with freshmen
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I don't know where you get that "inferior team" stuff. If you have been paying attention they have not been inferior to us, not even close. It took Vandy having five turnovers for us to beat them. Once people figured out the proper defense for us we have been really bad on offense. The last two games finally showed some signs of life. That with 49 and 43 scholarship players available. I don't like the air raid either. I thought we made absolutely the wrong hire for us and said so at the time. The fact is that we are stuck with him for at least two, probably three, more years. Since that is the case I want it to work. The last two games it has looked better. If you are expecting Leach to have a running game in order for you to be happy, you aren't going to be happy. This is what he does and he isn't going to change.
I agree about this offseason being one of Leach's biggest ever.
I believe that Leach is extremely intelligent.
Now, here's the kicker. Will he apply that intelligence into incorporating a run game with his scheme??
Ohhhh how I hope he does. IMO if Leach would truly work hard at coming up with an AIR-RUN RAID, he could create something special.
Kicking a couple of field goals change the game Cooter. Coming away from no points is a "downer" especially in a tight game. So laugh all you want cause Msu has a hard time scoring if you are paying close attention. Just saying and really not trying to bash you or others. I think Gun made the comment about Msu scoring 40.
My point was a knock at Kiffin for being a dumb ass and O was glad he played into our strength, defense.
Bottom line, we need better offensive linemen to enhance our running game and we definitely need better DB's. I knew when I saw Corral launch those long passes that they were going to be TD's. We also need to get stronger. Looked to me like Ealy carried our whole defense into the end zone.
ED is mostly shotgun posting the talking points that he is fed from someone or what he is parroting from the Out of Bounds show. If someone post an alternate opinion, he is quick to chime in with the excuse du-jour. Then the thread evolves into arguments over the validity of the excuses.
It's obvious though that the MSU AD wants to get the message out of.... "patience." "Work In progress". Bo Bounds has said it for weeks now on every show in some form or fashion.
We seem to be in phase 2 of keep the fans on the bandwagon.
"Oh look at that, we almost won. Getting better."
Let?s look at why we didn?t score more.. 1st thing the fumble at the goal line. That?s 7 more points. In the 2nd half. We had 2 drives stopped on third down - not by the Rebs but our Center-two drives, that was a killer. Then on another drive we had the 15 yard chop block penalty. Then when we really needed Heath to make a play ?Will hits him in both hands and he fails to make the crucial catch. That was huge, I instead of the Hail Mary we would have tried a FG to tie. Ole Miss really didn?t stop Us we stopped Us.
Walley and Heath saved Rogers last night. Most of his passes to Heath were 4 yards over his head. Now that could've been designed that way due to Maliks height but it got him hurt at the end of the game. Walley is just a stud. He has been that way since 10th grade. A good thing about Rogers that no one has mentioned is his escapability. He started having success when he rolled out. This brought the Lbs up and provided time for the receivers to get open. Big difference from Costello. But in the future if Leach doesn't incorporate a strong running attack this offense will not work. Everyone talks about how great it was back in the 90's well I don't remember Kentucky having many wining seasons then. And for everyone saying Mullen didn't leave any Recruits well he left us stocked, but it was for his type of offense. Moorhead was just a very bad head coach.
Listen to Nick Fitzgerald's interview on a MSU podcast. It shed a lot of light into why the culture eroded. Basically the players respected Mullen because he would jump their ass and keep them in line. When Moorhead came in- and this is per Fitzgerald- players basically took advantage of his personality which was a lot more "let's be friends" than anything based on what he said.
I'm not saying that makes them "bad guys" as in a bad person but I do think it's probably hard to go from a coach being your friend environment to another hardass.
Let's not act like Dan didn't have any "moral victories" in year one. LSU and Florida come to mind. And Florida was only close because Banks returned two pick sixes. We averaged 22 PPG that year and then 18 over the next two years. Right now we're at 18 for context. And Dan's "offense" was aided statistically by at least three pick sixes that year stat wise whereas we've only had one this year.
If you told me before the game that we score 24 points and punt the ball 6 times and turn it over once, I would assume everyone would be furious.
Just because our defense kept us in the game with their red zone defense;
Moorhead went to Oxford and ran the ball down their throats in 2018, and yet our current HC was determined to pass it all over the field;
We scored 24 points against a historically bad bear defense.
I get it, I don?t want to think we made a bad hire, and hopefully we keep playing well, we have two winnable games left;
Moral victory then vs now...
2009 LSU and 2020 Georgia are pretty even. The difference being we were like a yard from actually beating 2009 lsu.
2009 Florida and 2020 OM are not even. Florida was the defending champ, and brought the most popular CFB in the country to our house.
Moral Victory?
We score 24 points- which has allowed OM to lower their per game average to under 40 PPG now at 38.8- which has allowed them to move up several spots to 117th in the country. Seeing you guys use the young excuse for us when their D is almost completely devoid of talent is head scratching.
We had 479 yards which was about 60 fewer than they were averaging giving up. That was lowered to 528.5- 125th in the country out of 127
We didnt even get close to meeting their per game averages-nothing moral victory about it. We didnt exceed anything
I would say our win over LSU is about the same as Dan beating Ole Miss in 2009. Both LSU and Ole Miss were reading their press clippings from last year and we just beat both of them up.
Honestly, this year to me compares historically more to Emory Bellard's 1979 season. He beat Tennessee and Florida and then flamed out. Offense struggled all year. Had a team coming off of probation so it wasn't a great situation either. Bellard is known for the wishbone much like Leach is known for the Air Raid. Once Bellard got John Bond the next year his offense began to click.
We also held their offense to 9 points less than their average too. With a walk-on filled secondary and freshmen against a team with a strong passing game on the road.
It's not like they stopped us. We had two bad snaps and a chop block that killed drives and a fumble in the end zone. The guy that they beat the most in our secondary was a guy that has barely played and has a bad knee.
Most of the time freshmen get better as their career goes on. Those bad snaps will get cleaned up and our guys will only get better going forward unless we have another worldwide pandemic.
I would rather be in a key West too.
Mullen did not have his QB, but he went ahead and signed Russell because he was essentially the bell coach of the recruiting class. Ole Miss had committed to the running QB, the home state product, then Lane comes in and makes the other QB the center of his offense.
Pittman got a very good(not great but good) QB transfer and it made his offense much better with this 2 running backs.
Drink with got a surprise with his Freshman QB.
Leach flipped a 60% run team to a 90% pass team.
You have to see the issues that could cause.
A) Every time we lost to OM with Mullen we were THE much better team and he was shopping himself. Those cost us really exceptional seasons a couple of times. We went into those games as either favorite or, in 2014, huge favorite.
B) Moorhead had much more experienced and talented teams than OM both years. Last year OM was playing true FR everywhere and we weren't.
I'm not happy about the loss last night and thought we should've won. I do think we are getting closer to being on right track tho. Still not happy with loss but not hollering for Leach's head over it.
ETA: And every time we were blasting Mullen for blowing an exceptional season against OM, State7 was on here defending him like a mo'fo.
Leach appears to have addressed the culture issue. I think most are talking about the on the field coaching piece. I agree, I don't see any improvement there. So maybe things are better, IDK. It sure doesn't feel like it though. His attitude bothers me, telling fanbase to find another team. Is he a lazy recruiter? IDK, guess we'll see.
We had one of the best defenses in modern CFB history. Ole miss and Arkansas were not nearly as good as they are this year and I wouldn't advise anyone to watch our Auburn and A&M tape for any clinic on offensive football. But you're right, it's not light years better this year. They are/were both really bad offenses but also entirely different systems so hard to compare. At least the last two weeks we are seeing improvement (with true freshman at that) which I'd say we never really saw over 2 years with Joe.
I will never ever understand why MSU just didn't tell Mullen to go take the Maryland job if he was going to keep shopping himself around.
MSU was incredibly generous to him- I can't think of any other SEC school that would let a coach openly shop himself around like that while neglecting their rivalry game. And the sad thing is I'm 99% sure he doesn't give a shit about us.
Very little of this is accurate.
In 2012, OM was favored.
In 2014, we were only a 2 point favorite. But I do agree that we should have won that game.
In 2015, they were favored and just flat out better than us....granted, they shouldn't have beaten us as bad as they did, but they they were the better team.
2017 is the only year that we had the much better team......but it's hard for me to hold that one against him, because if Fitz doesn't get injured we would've cruised.
My dad and father in law are huge black bear fans. They watched the game with me and said while Kiffen does love analytics and going for it, they think a lot of the time it's because no one has faith in the kicker (same one that missed last year's PAT.) They said unless he's on the 10 or closer he's not going to make it.
That's a drastic over generalization. I haven't been posting very long, but I was in school for the Croom years. You could tell with Croom and MoVester that the program was falling apart. Leach is transitioning us to a completely new offence with about half of the max scholarship players in a year where he basically had no offseason. I'm 100% on board with Leach at least until the '22 season is over. I was ready for JoMo's head after he let Josh Allen wreck our whole offence against KY his first year and refused to help whichever OT was going against him. He proved right then that he either didn't know what he was doing or was in over his head. I also thought 1 year of Croom was more than enough to see he didn't fit. There was never a light at the end of the tunnel like this team has shown the past 2 weeks. I'm also willing to give Leach more slack considering he's done this at 2 different schools and both were awful during his 1st 2 transition years (with a complete offseason).