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11-19-2020, 11:26 AM
William Tecumsah Sherman

I personally watched Mullen dress down in extreme language players, coaches, video staff, etc his first year here. Leaving because of that is an excuse and weak.
11-19-2020, 11:29 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Those kids knew the rules though. And one of them had been in trouble before. The rules are the rules no matter what the job is.

Have we really kicked kids off the team for one failed drug test?
11-19-2020, 11:32 AM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We can only sign 26 and that includes transfers. Most of our seniors are going to move on. We will not have 80 players on scholarship next season.

I think you are wrong. Ole Miss signed more than 26 when they came off restrictions.

https://247sports.com/college/ole-mi...tball/Commits/
11-19-2020, 11:33 AM
StarkVegasSteve

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

I personally watched Mullen dress down in extreme language players, coaches, video staff, etc his first year here. Leaving because of that is an excuse and weak.

See this is where I'll give Leach a little bit of a reprieve. Mullen, Hev, and Co. were doing that from Day 1 when they stepped in the building. Those first winter workouts and spring practice was a gut check for a lot of players, coaches, and support staff. I remember hearing multiple stories of Dan's first meeting with the trainers, managers, support staff, etc. and he literally looked all of them in the face and said I'd fire every one of you if I could because my program doesn't employ losers. I believe that a few of these opt outs, transfers, or whatever you want to call them would've been solved in the spring. Now, the thing with Dan was that he wasn't cussing just to do it. He had a point he was trying to make as well. And he got that point across very quickly.
11-19-2020, 11:39 AM
TNDawg35

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

The issue right now is 100 percent on Cohen for hiring Moorhead in the first place and the debacle after the Egg Bowl. He should?ve either fired him then when coaches like Drinkwitz were still available or kept him another year. If he hired Neal Brown when he had the chance after Mullen I would bet a lot of money we wouldn?t be in this situation. While I don?t think Leach will work here, he does get a pass this year due to COVID and the big mess he inherited. I kind of wish Moorhead would?ve stayed another year now knowing that Chadwell is out there and is available and has a really small buy out. Yes, I know he had some NCAA issues, but nothing compared to Freeze and people through around his name. He is the best coach out there for a school like Miss State. I have a feeling USC will hire Napier over him though and that will come back to bite them

The Moorehead debacle was on Keenum. Cohen had made it clear Moorehead was done after the egg bowl. When we won, Keenum told Cohen we couldn?t fire a coach who was 2-0 in the egg bow and back to back bowls. After the Gay/Schrader and Bowl performance, Keenum finally said ok he?s gone. Then Cohen fired him.

Napier was interested and was having serious talks until Keenum renighed. Once he did, Napier got butthurt and said eat shit when we came back to him the 2nd time.

That?s when Cohen was going with Judge and he was bringing in Will Hall and gonna be a ?CEO? type coach until the Giants came calling. I honestly think it would have been a good hire as long as he brought in a good staff and from all names I heard, he was.

Now the Moorehead hire was labeled as a great hire by literally everyone in the CFB.

The only thing I fought Cohen on is I would have went Satterfield instead of Moorhead.
11-19-2020, 11:51 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I think you are wrong. Ole Miss signed more than 26 when they came off restrictions.

https://247sports.com/college/ole-mi...tball/Commits/

No, they could count more players back than we can.
11-19-2020, 11:52 AM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Matt3467

We've had 13 transfers? I know we've had several but thought it was around 7 or 8 not 13.

Yes. 13 transfers.
11-19-2020, 11:57 AM
DLGDawg

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

The Moorehead debacle was on Keenum. Cohen had made it clear Moorehead was done after the egg bowl. When we won, Keenum told Cohen we couldn?t fire a coach who was 2-0 in the egg bow and back to back bowls. After the Gay/Schrader and Bowl performance, Keenum finally said ok he?s gone. Then Cohen fired him.

Napier was interested and was having serious talks until Keenum renighed. Once he did, Napier got butthurt and said eat shit when we came back to him the 2nd time.

That?s when Cohen was going with Judge and he was bringing in Will Hall and gonna be a ?CEO? type coach until the Giants came calling. I honestly think it would have been a good hire as long as he brought in a good staff and from all names I heard, he was.

Now the Moorehead hire was labeled as a great hire by literally everyone in the CFB.

The only thing I fought Cohen on is I would have went Satterfield instead of Moorhead.

Off topic, but I saw where Judge got into a fist fight with one of his coaches. There's you some fire !!
11-19-2020, 12:02 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Mobile Bay

You mean do the same things Nick Saban, Bear Bryant, Pat Dye, Darrel K Royal, Steve Spurrier, and any other great coach you can name does or did?

Foootball isn't for pussies who get there feelings hurt.

And hevesy and mullen and crew. At least the cussing out and condescending part.
11-19-2020, 12:05 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

Leach will succeed here and when he does, I will be screaming my head off at you guys for all your doom and gloom.

Define succeed. Bc even if he averages 7-5 like dan did, the goalposts will move.
11-19-2020, 12:10 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Have we really kicked kids off the team for one failed drug test?

Yes. But those kids knew the rule. Two out of 80 kids didn't follow the rule.
11-19-2020, 12:10 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I think you are wrong. Ole Miss signed more than 26 when they came off restrictions.

https://247sports.com/college/ole-mi...tball/Commits/

He's correct.
11-19-2020, 12:12 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

So going out and getting skull drug by Georgia and Ole Miss would be better than not playing? Wrong.

If you don't play, you can blame it on covid.

and yet people here are calling our players quitters** .... I heard Leach on the radio this am say we were playing Georgia and if there was a covid threat he was unaware of it but he was sure the media would let him know so he could plan accordingly ... another beaut from Leach - I loved it. I think we need to finish if possible and incorporate this season into the learning curve. Maybe the taste of this season will remain with the team and help drive better determination.
11-19-2020, 12:14 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by TNDawg35

The Moorehead debacle was on Keenum. Cohen had made it clear Moorehead was done after the egg bowl. When we won, Keenum told Cohen we couldn?t fire a coach who was 2-0 in the egg bow and back to back bowls. After the Gay/Schrader and Bowl performance, Keenum finally said ok he?s gone. Then Cohen fired him.

Napier was interested and was having serious talks until Keenum renighed. Once he did, Napier got butthurt and said eat shit when we came back to him the 2nd time.

That?s when Cohen was going with Judge and he was bringing in Will Hall and gonna be a ?CEO? type coach until the Giants came calling. I honestly think it would have been a good hire as long as he brought in a good staff and from all names I heard, he was.

Now the Moorehead hire was labeled as a great hire by literally everyone in the CFB.

The only thing I fought Cohen on is I would have went Satterfield instead of Moorhead.

Correct except the Moorhead being a great hire part. SI wrote an article proclaiming him the next great thing. Lots of people didn't have the same opinion.
11-19-2020, 12:43 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

The best thing for us recruiting wise is to not play.

Agreed
11-19-2020, 12:48 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Hot Rock

Leach will succeed here and when he does, I will be screaming my head off at you guys for all your doom and gloom.

No he won't. We basically hired Ballard at the end of his career.
11-19-2020, 12:55 PM
msu15

Man you are clueless
11-19-2020, 01:17 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

You and both know why those players were kicked off due to leach archaic rules...

You must have a pussified baby that was on the team. I?m sure he is a little sweetie-pie and the apple of your eye, but any player that walked because of Leach?s tough coaching style might as well have the sex change.
11-19-2020, 01:18 PM
SPMT

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

I personally watched Mullen dress down in extreme language players, coaches, video staff, etc his first year here. Leaving because of that is an excuse and weak.

Amen!

Saw the same.
11-19-2020, 01:21 PM
msbulldog

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Originally Posted by Mobile Bay

You mean do the same things Nick Saban, Bear Bryant, Pat Dye, Darrel K Royal, Steve Spurrier, and any other great coach you can name does or did?

Foootball isn't for pussies who get there feelings hurt.

And Mullen, Hev, Grantham and the rest of that crew.
11-19-2020, 01:41 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Steve said on boneyard it's going to take at least 2 years to get back to full numbers.

Crazy that Leach was able to find dudes who meet his requirements in a state with legal weed and find disciplined players out on the west coast and now we have guys quitting because he's too tough on them.
11-19-2020, 01:51 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Steve said on boneyard it's going to take at least 2 years to get back to full numbers.

Crazy that Leach was able to find dudes who meet his requirements in a state with legal weed and find disciplined players out on the west coast and now we have guys quitting because he's too tough on them.

It's not that simple. Leach didn't recruit these players. Leach hasn't really formed relationships with most of these players. We haven't lost 18 players b/c Leach is being too tough on them. There are a variety of reasons.
11-19-2020, 03:10 PM
Quaoarsking

The mod team needs to change the thread title. If we don't have enough players, the game is postponed, not forfeited. We didn't forfeit to Auburn.
11-19-2020, 03:10 PM
PGHBulldogBG

I am all for players following rules, but to legitimately kick players off the team for failing a drug test just for pot is ridiculous if that?s really true. I will hold off on commenting further until it?s discovered if that is a true fact or not, but if it is Leach is just digging himself a bigger hole
11-19-2020, 03:19 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Yes. But those kids knew the rule. Two out of 80 kids didn't follow the rule.

I can't believe 78 out of 80 football players on an SEC team have not smoked weed since August, or whenever drug testing started under Leach (do they test in the summer?). If that's true, kudos to our players because that would be way more compliance than most major programs.
11-19-2020, 03:20 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

I am all for players following rules, but to legitimately kick players off the team for failing a drug test just for pot is ridiculous if that?s really true. I will hold off on commenting further until it?s discovered if that is a true fact or not, but if it is Leach is just digging himself a bigger hole

I don't know if it's true either, but if they were told ahead of time what would happen after a positive test, they have no leg to stand on.
11-19-2020, 03:54 PM
Jack Lambert

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

No, they could count more players back than we can.

I kind of have a feeling the rule will be relaxed a little this year. Isn't that an SEC rule?
11-19-2020, 03:58 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

The mod team needs to change the thread title. If we don't have enough players, the game is postponed, not forfeited. We didn't forfeit to Auburn.

If we don't have enough players we can't play any games so we have to forfeit. Rumors swirling around that we won't travel tomorrow if we get one positive test
11-19-2020, 04:02 PM
somebodyshotmypaw

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

Is this pushback a Millennial thing, do anything you want attitude as long as I am not physically hurting anyone else? I miss the days when kids looked and acted like they had a purpose in life. I miss:

Tucked in shirts
Button down shirts
Neat hair - crew cuts were the norm when I was a kid
No drinking until 18 (beer)
No DOPE at all of any kind - not only would it disqualify you from sports but it would get you expelled from school as well
Poor grades (less than a C average) disqualified you from extracurricular activities
etc.

I miss those days also. Many think that "kids have changed". The truth is that kids haven't changed. Instead our expectations of them have changed. We don't demand as much. We don't expect as much. We don't force them to achieve as much.
11-19-2020, 04:04 PM
Extendedcab

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

I kind of have a feeling the rule will be relaxed a little this year. Isn't that an SEC rule?

Oh Perfect, if they can't pass test 1, reduce the standard and if they can't pass test 2 then reduce the standard again and if they can't pass test 3 reduce the standard again until anyone barely breathing can pass it.

What a joke, do we not strive to be all we can be anymore, or do we just settle for the lowest common denominator in human behavior? We will soon be a nation of do nothings, a people that do not accept responsibility or have any inkling of what it means!
11-19-2020, 04:19 PM
Dawgfan77

Down to one positive test tomorrow and we are done for Saturday one more injury or transfer and we are down for the year. Powers Warren now In portal
11-19-2020, 04:21 PM
FISHDAWG

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Down to one positive test tomorrow and we are done for Saturday one more injury or transfer and we are down for the year. Powers Warren now In portal

anyone know the story on this ? ...... I don't even know the guy
11-19-2020, 04:23 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

If we don't have enough players we can't play any games so we have to forfeit. Rumors swirling around that we won't travel tomorrow if we get one positive test

Not correct. It will not be a forfeit. The game would be rescheduled to 12/19 or canceled if Georgia is playing in the SECCG that day.

It's also possible there is a larger schedule redoing to put the game on a different day, but it will never go down as a forfeit for us. Not a single game in all of college football this year affected by COVID has been forfeited.
11-19-2020, 04:25 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

anyone know the story on this ? ...... I don't even know the guy

His Dad is the commissioner of the Big 10. Is a JR, hasn't seen the field this year; only got on the field once last year.
11-19-2020, 04:26 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Not correct. It will not be a forfeit. The game would be rescheduled to 12/19 or canceled if Georgia is playing in the SECCG that day.

It's also possible there is a larger schedule redoing to put the game on a different day, but it will never go down as a forfeit for us. Not a single game in all of college football this year affected by COVID has been forfeited.

Your not understanding. We won't have enough players to make a game let alone a make up game. I know about the dates. It has nothing to do with dates it's about we won't have the players to meet the requirements to play the games.... not hard to understand
11-19-2020, 04:35 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Your not understanding. We won't have enough players to make a game let alone a make up game. I know about the dates. It has nothing to do with dates it's about we won't have the players to meet the requirements to play the games.... not hard to understand

Not true. But not far away either. We've got 60 players still. Injuries or opt outs could still get us, but we aren't there yet.
11-19-2020, 04:36 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Not true. But not far away either. We've got 60 players still. Injuries or opt outs could still get us, but we aren't there yet.

54 now. We had 55 before Warren opted out. Have to have 53
11-19-2020, 04:37 PM
Offshore Dawg

Just forfeit and save face
11-19-2020, 04:38 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

Your not understanding. We won't have enough players to make a game let alone a make up game. I know about the dates. It has nothing to do with dates it's about we won't have the players to meet the requirements to play the games.... not hard to understand

Even if we can never make it up, it will NOT be a forfeit. There have been and will be 0 COVID-related college football forfeits, even with some games permanently canceled.

Wisconsin is 2-0, not 2-2.
11-19-2020, 04:42 PM
Mobile Bay

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

anyone know the story on this ? ...... I don't even know the guy

Converted to WR from tight end. I bet all those guys go before it's over.

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