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I agree Joe did major damage but I don't think it was nuked yet; it is now finished off. There was still talent here when Leach arrived to compete but we are a multi-year rebuild now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I predict this will go about like the Croom era did. Leach will luck up and win 6-7 one year and a new AD will threaten him to change or resign. History repeating itself.
No. It wasn?t. That was the worst OL that has ever taken the field that I have laid eyes on for state. Worse than 2015 with Rufus warren at Tackle. Worse than 2003 with Fant getting killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Could Leach change some things? Yes. Would I do what he is doin? No I?m not pure air raid but I have not won 11 games multiple times nor have I won a National coach of the year award at middle of nowhere jobs. You cannot hire Mike Leach then question him.
If he fails here it will be the only place he has ever failed odds are in our favor
1000000% truth. People with any sense are starting to get nervous. MSU is not a plug and play program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You have no concept of reality. Do you live in a basement and have no real life interactions? You really are totally lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Your delusional. The offensive line going into the season was the strength of the team. It's experience and talent everywhere. You can also question any human being. Who do you think he is?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Leach doesn’t know how to utilize talent. He only knows his 4 plays. He's not won in the toughest conference and he won't with his current mindset. He should only be receiving a baptism to the SEC however he's about to drown because he's too stubborn to stand up.
The problem is we don't have more oline starters from rankin county. Anyone from rankin county is destined for greatness**Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Real in depth here.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Especially coming from a poster that knowingly lied about Vandy having more players out than us.
Take that talent and knock about half of them out, injure 1, then teach them all how to vertical set and protect 40 times a game. Then we can hire you.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Yeah it was so talented and experienced we moved a NG to OL and are still playing Eiland at T bc we don?t have anyone else. The best one is a FR and he was out. To their credit they are better than KJ showed but that?s bc we got a QB with a quicker trigger now.
4 starters on State and OM from rankin. 6 players overall. Not bad actually. If you can?t see that Will makes us better you are willfully ignorant. Mingo is a part of that 2-4 OM juggernaut that is gonna destroy us according to y?all.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If they were named Jimbo you would have built them a shrine by now.
We just got 204 yds total vs vandy. Maybe we are better with Rogers, but there's no data to support itQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Well my data is the fact that we move the ball exponentially better with him. He has not thrown 15 interceptions and has had TDs taken from him. Biggest data point is he is 1-0 as a starter and KJ is MIA and the others have quit. You tell me money ball. Doesn?t take rankin county genius to see itQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Lol, you're a homer. Our offense was the worst it's been all year last Saturday. Vandy last 4 games total defense...Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
498
485
641
204 (us)
Yikes
Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying Rogers is to blame. I think this offense just sucks. Drew Brees would struggle with us right now
You did not answer me. How many of those teams had to play 19 FR and only had 7 OL. One of those being a NG.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Take the games that you think the offense was better in and he still played better than KJ. If Mitchell hangs on to both TDs we beat UK and don?t get slaughtered at Bama. Idk why y?all want to bash a kid who is clearly all in and the team is behind.
24-2 KentuckyQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
41-0 bama
1 td in both games was the difference in winning and losing and a slaughter? Come on
We won't get an objective, reasonable post from Bucky until Will graduates. There's no point arguing with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we do not turn it over vs Arky and UK we win.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we get the Heath catch and Mitchell hangs on to it it is 27-7 late 3rd quarter.
The biggest factors on offense are points scored and turnovers. Will is better in both categories. If total yards is your biggest determining factor in offense then your factors are bad money ball
The whole team and Leach must be non objective and un reasonable too thenQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
If Wil led the nation in interceptions or quit I?d be down on him too. But he does neither of those. And our other QBs do
I have no issues with Will. He's the least of our problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Pick a scheme and pick a coach then add in all the BS Leach has had to deal with and tell me what you think the record would be vs an all SEC schedule. Do not forget culture change and 7 total OLQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
They didnt have an official Spring- but the guys were working out and working hard. They were getting outside running routes and catching balls. You drug test and set the tone. Nobody is against any of that. I dont mind us losing the guys we have so far because they couldnt pass a piss test. But these are top athletes and have worked hard before. Just seems like its more to it than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Maybe, I think once the culture piece is established, you'll see the coaches pull back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The OL wasn't able to do real work though, and that's been one of our biggest problem areas. I have to think a spring would have helped settle some things there. Or at least have us more insight into what we couldn't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Again, one of our issues. Obviously not the only one.
The OL lifted weights and did others things just like everybody else. The OL has been zone blocking and pass blocking long before Leach got here. Mullen used wider splits at times just as Leach does. You guys acting like Leach is trying to teach these guys Chinese mathematics is hilarious. SEC defenses are what is causing the problems to this system. The closing speed and lack of being able to break tackles is what is choking this offense out. When a team just has to play pass and adjust to a couple of runs it makes it easier to defend.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
The issue at hand is that there are no signs of improvement after Moorhead. When other coaches take over after a coach being fired you want to look for signs. With Mullen in 2009 it was obvious that we had the best team since 2000. Kiffin is improving Ole Miss. Pittman is improving Arkansas. Drinkwitz is improving Missouri. It?s not always in W-L column that the improvement happens. My concern is that we are even worse and getting worse each game while others are improving.