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Our cigar boys smoke Black & Milds while the rest of the SEC's smoke Cubans.
Gun why do you attack anyone's opinion that doesn't agree with yours with insults?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Not a stupid post. Every organization has "cigar boys" those most vested that influence decisions.
Getting better? Well the O did score 7 points but we've been laughing stock for 3 straight weeks.
We scored a touchdown in the 4th quarter and then A&M promptly put the clamps back down. I did not see an offense that was on the verge of working.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Agree to disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by bluelightstar
Because I tell people when I disagree and I felt many of his points were terrible. Also, by using Cigar Boys, he was trying to stir something up that would be devastating to our program.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
I fear that Alabama vs our OL will give Rogers PTSD for the rest of the season...
Who knows. If Will sees the field quickly, I think we can score a littleQuote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
If we had a guy like Plumlee, I would feel better about going into Tuscaloosa. Will was hesitant to scramble/run in H.S. He's gonna get wrecked back there. Bama sees our OL spacing and are absolutely licking their chops. I don't know if I would want to see our true FR future get demoralized like he's gonna be. I wish 3/4 of the team would get Covid and that bloodbath on Halloween can get postponed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Pretty obvious from what we've seen so far, Rogers will have little or no time to look for receivers to throw. I agree we will need a scrambling QB to go against Alabama. Costello will get clobbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Plumlee can't throw. So I'm not sure why you'd want him running Leach's offense. That doesn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
It'll be interesting to see if the sacks are reduced dramatically with Will due to how quickly he reads the defense
Was there much pressure on Rogers when he came in or are you looking at the pressure KJ had on him and assuming it'll be the same for Rogers? Just trying to understand your stanceQuote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Only the mobility part of Plumlee. Why does it matter the throwing part if you're playing Bama and gonna lose anyway? Will gonna get killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Because we're trying to build for the future. Common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
That is on game days. The rest of the week they are pulling on fruit flavored Cigarillos.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
By the time Rogers came in, the A&M defense weren't as intense. Then he led a TD drive, and they said "back to work"Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
That's just simply not true at all. that's your opinion, not realityQuote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
no - you tend to hurl insults. What I want to know is what was untruthful about his original post? Everyone knows Leach isn't going to be fired with-in the next couple of years - this is folks blowing off steam but everything the man said can't be refutedQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Gun ... you have been ringing the Leach bell every since he was announced and crowned him the MSU savior before he even arrived on campus ... I'm surprised you didn't suggest a Coronation. He had some success at TT and moderate success at WSU ... he threw it around for a couple years at Kentucky, but so far we haven't seen anything in his game planning that would indicate he has enough objectivity to do what is necessary to adjust and at least be competitive NOW in the SEC. If this is the only evidence that that you are using to crown him the MSU Football savior then maybe you should take more of a wait and see instead of being so adamant to the point of insulting others and proclaiming in your Nostradamus type manner that you know how this shit is going to play out and nobody else has a clue then you're just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Most folks are stating their belief based on what they are seeing - and what they are seeing is so far this isn't working against mediocre SEC defenses and no adjustment are being made except for holding some bad attitudes out of the game. You may end up being right or you may end up being wrong but quit insulting folks and calling them or their comments dumb like you have everything figured out - if you're that 17'n good you need to send Saban a resume
Moorehead scored 106 points in two games against Arkansas ... beat OM twice. I agree that Leach is ultimately a better head coach but let's not act like his offense to date is way ahead of Moorhead's .... and I totally agree that both offenses have looked terrible.... So far all we really have is nothing but speculation on the future success of ML in the SEC - there's no hard evidence this is going to work yetQuote:
Originally Posted by msu15
You mean the best seasons they’ve ever had?Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Pretty ridiculous that you can’t even acknowledge reality.
It was the Cigar Boy part of his post and lack effort I was calling, not whether or not Leach will win.
TT and the PAC-12 aren't the SEC and I'm seeing now how PAC-12 QB's are .... I don't think he was calling for the cigar boys to start pressuring Cohen to fire leach... it was not much more than just blowing off steam - no-one in their right mind would be calling for Leach's job right now - I took it more like cynicism. I'm glad Leach gave TT / WSU their best seasons because that is the hope we cling to because we sure don't have anything in front of us to cling to right now. I think the problem is that some of us aren't sold (or never were) on this system working here and not seeing any attempt to adjust is a little discouraging.... AND THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGING REALITYQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
TT and the PAC-12 aren't the SEC and I'm seeing now how PAC-12 QB's are .... We'll see how big of a deal this in the future. My feeling is that about 70% of our problems are due to us and a lack of execution and about 30% is due to an increase in competition for Leach's offense. Anyone thinking it's 100% of either isn't being realistic
I don't think he was calling for the cigar boys to start pressuring Cohen to fire leach...I think that's exactly what he was doing or at least trying to start something
it was not much more than just blowing off steam - no-one in their right mind would be calling for Leach's job right now Definitely blowing off steam, but went to a place that would devastating to our program. I think he was serious
- I took it more like cynicism. I'm glad Leach gave TT / WSU their best seasons because that is the hope we cling to because we sure don't have anything in front of us to cling to right now. I think the problem is that some of us aren't sold (or never were) on this system working here and not seeing any attempt to adjust is a little discouraging.... AND THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGING REALITY I get that people aren't sold. I think it'll work because I saw the same things said about Urban's offense and it worked in the SEC and I've never seen an offensive system that worked at every level of the game and then just goes to crap in the SEC. Spurrier's offense in the NFL may have been the closest.
Well.... whoever the current cigars are... I have had the feeling for awhile now that they put out the talking points to MSU fans through Bo Bounds.
Bounds had Matt Wyatt on today. Wyatt says it's execution and not the scheme. Hahahaha.
In other words, Leach ain't going nowhere. All is good boys. Send your money, buy tickets. Just be patient.
Wait... after 4 games, you want him to go somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
It was about this time last year when I was kicked off this website for a month for trying to defend Moorhead. My defense was that we were starting to show improvements during garbage time minutes of certain games. This line of defense was unanimously shot down as a ridiculously stupid thing to say. Fast forward a year and the same line of defense is being made for Mike Leach. I said then every coach needs three years before he should be realistically judged on his performance. The reason is because he needs experience from the players he actually recruited. In hindsight I admit Moorhead is not a good fit here because he is a terrible disciplinarian but his offense never got a fair chance. He had a qb who was recruited to run a spread offense. Similarly Leach doesn't have a qb on campus to run an Air Raid. That is why both coaches brought in a Senior transfer in hopes that a little bit of experience will help but it doesn't work because the qb is only one position and the rest of the team lacks experience in the system and both senior transfer qbs were long shots at best. Im glad we have Leach instead of Moorhead but after seeing the way we ran him out of town, I hope we have a little more patience this time around. My prediction however though is that we will look sloppy on offense for the rest of the year and people will loose patience and start calling for his resignation .Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Same stuff that got Moorhead fired? Hell no! Obviously, you have no clue what you are talking about. You should read more and post less because the more you say them more you look uninformed, at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Anyone trying to compare Moorhead to Leach needs to be ignored because they clearly are a little slow. Just let them vent and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
I don't think anyone is comparing Leach and Moorhead as HC's. I think they're comparing that some are making the same excuses for Leach as some tried to make for Moorhead and they were raked over the coals for. I've been vocal since the beginning that I don't think this is going to work in the SEC, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to give Leach 2-3 years to get his people in here. I think people just want to see improvement of any kind and right now we aren't seeing it and it's going to be more of the same in two weeks in Bryant Denny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Thank you for having good reading comprehension and understanding this thread. Some of us just see red flags but I think we all agree that they can go away with time.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
So, you WANT Joe back?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
How do you even derive that out of what I said? I'm just curious what other people with clout have to say about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiscuitEater
What would you expect them to say after 4 games?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
The big BIG difference is that Leach is a proven winner and two decade head coach whereas Moorhead was a new coach that looked completely lost. Leach has earned more time due to the fact that he wins everywhere he goes. It’s that simple. If we are still having issues like this in year three then yeah it’s time to look at other options. But right now it’s not even close to the same situation Moorhead walked in to. Not remotely close.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
AbsolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
And Wyatt is exactly rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
You can stop right there. He does. Will Rogers is the guy. Will ran the system in high school, under his father, the OC at Brandon. Granted, it looks different on the HS level, but Will is picking up the Leach version quicker than an average true freshman. And, the kid had to be put on the shelf due to Covid. All he needs is more game experience. O-Line and receivers still have to figure it out regardless, but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by jackindabox
The ones I know are sick of watching our offense already.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'll be completely honest here, I don't think Will is the guy. I fully expect Sawyer Robertson to come in next year and win the job. He's got the look of an air raid QB and he's also run it at the high school level. And this isn't a Will is terrible take. I think Will is a good QB. I just think Robertson is a much better QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I'm always amazed at how people with such little perspective as a Cigar Boy that is already sick of Leach, could become wealthy in the first place. Must be 2nd generation money because there's virtually no way someone with that little of common sense would get rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Anyway, shoot them this video and tell them to fast forward to when Rogers comes in around the 30 min mark
https://youtu.be/EkyqiMDhcps
Again, I don't think it's that people are sick of Leach. I think they're sick of the fact that outside of LSU this year and Arkansas last year our offense has had no rhythm for the better part of two years when we've supposedly hired 2 "offensive juggernauts" to figure it out. I think people are wanting to give Leach time if our offense would show some improvement just like I think people would've been willing to give Joe more time had his offense shown improvement. But we seem to be doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Just like Moorhead last year with Stevens, Leach has continually run out a QB that is either a)injured or b)just doesn't have it. I think naming Rodgers the starter going forward will ease a lot of people's minds and show the willingness to change. And as long as Rodgers doesn't make any Costello mistakes then I think most will relax and let Leach work.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg