Bounds just told caller Mullen is best recruiter MSU has ever had

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11-06-2013, 02:45 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

He didn't evaluate Banks, Croom did. Mullen is quoted as saying he wondered why this Banks kid was on the commit list until he saw his video.

Is that not the very description of evaluation?

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Mullen had Slay for 2 years. He didn't even start him his junior year opting to go with the veteran, Broomfield.

Slay wasn't ready early in his JR year. Was painfully obvious when he was out there in nickel -- not much different than Justin Cox currently.

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Slay was an All American return guy in Juco that Mullen never let return a punt or kickoff. Slay ran the fastest 40 yard dash at the combine. He was going pro even if he signed with William and Mary.

If all this was true, why were we his ONLY offer out of JUCO? Make that make sense to me. Because it doesn't. We were his only option...

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The 3 star guard you mentioned, again, committed to Croom. Are you trying to tell me that Mullen is good at evaluating O-linemen? LOL to that one.

He clearly hit on that one -- that no one else in the SEC saw fit to offer -- and Mullen didn't see fit to drop.

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Ballard was a Juco All-American RB. But yes, fortunately no other major schools really offered him.

So, you agree then?

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McKinney going really early in the draft is pure speculation at this point. I don't see it right now.

You are the only one that doesn't see it.
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There is TONS of stuff to question and berate Mullen about. Player evals is not one of them.
11-06-2013, 02:52 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Goat Holder

Quit getting your panties twisted when someone calls you on your shit.

Deshea doesn't want to recruit. He is an NFL guy, he wants to get back in the NFL.

Deshea isn't going to kiss the ass of 15-17 year old kids and beg them to get coached by a seasoned NFL secondary coach. He simply won't do it.

I'll be stunned if he is on the staff next year, I've been told by multiple people that Deshea wants to get back in the NFL, he really enjoys coaching - he does not enjoy recruiting and if you have read any recruiting articles from recruits this year, you will see the same thing.

Hell, when we signed Deshea, I figured we would sign Mix, at least, and have a damn good shot at Conner. Neither was true.
11-06-2013, 03:44 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by engie

Is that not the very description of evaluation?

If all this was true, why were we his ONLY offer out of JUCO? Make that make sense to me. Because it doesn't. We were his only option...

He clearly hit on that one -- that no one else in the SEC saw fit to offer -- and Mullen didn't see fit to drop.

You are the only one that doesn't see it.
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-q9t7-69kb.jpg

There is TONS of stuff to question and berate Mullen about. Player evals is not one of them.

If you want to give Mullen credit for evaluating Banks and Gabe Jackson when they were already committed to Croom then more power to you bud. It doesn't really make sense to anyone with commons sense, but whatever, maybe you just have a hard time admitting when you are wrong.

Slay didn't have other offers because he was a sign and place who stayed committed to MSU while he was in Juco. Also, a lot of schools backed off when they realized he would not be a December grad.
11-06-2013, 03:49 PM
J-Dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Slay was a sign and place that committed to Croom. Most sign and places re-sign with their original commitment. I give Mullen no credit for any of the players in the 2009 class. Bumphis is debatable but Bump didn't make the NFL.

Slay committed in January after Croom was fired. Try again.
11-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?
11-06-2013, 03:53 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?

Mullen's average class is about 35 according to Rivals if you count this class and don't count the 2009 class that Croom put together.
11-06-2013, 03:54 PM
J-Dawg

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Originally Posted by Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?

When?
11-06-2013, 03:55 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Mullen's average class is about 35 according to Rivals if you count this class and don't count the 2009 class that Croom put together.

Again, don't cite Rivals. Most inaccurate site when it comes to MSU recruiting.

Futhermore, there is no debate that Mullen's 2nd and 3rd recruiting classes were very sub-par and thats why we are currently young. The last two years have been good and this year's, while not ranked highly, has some playmakers, really good underrated players, and QBs that fit the system.
11-06-2013, 03:55 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?

yeah, pretty sure this never happened
11-06-2013, 03:56 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by J-Dawg

Slay committed in January after Croom was fired. Try again.

Right, and Mcphee didn't commit until late in the process either. But Miss. State, the school you pull for, recruited him for 18 months. Mullen and Hud and the other coaches we kept did a good job of holding on to the class. But Croom and his staff recruited and gained commitments from almost all with the exception of Madrecus Hood, Perkins, Ricco Sanders, and Leon Berry. Give Mullen Slay if want though Croom evaluated and recruited him. That's still 2 NFL players compared to the 11 that Croom left him.
11-06-2013, 03:58 PM
J-Dawg

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Originally Posted by Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?

I just used Scout's Team Rankings and we never had a top 25 class under Croom. 2004 class is to Croom as the 2009 class is to Mullen, coaching change class. 2009 class was ranked 17th, but can not entirely be contributed to Mullen or Croom.

Bottom line is this.... Ya'll need to quit comparing Mullen to Croom with regards to recruiting rankings.

Croom did less with less. Mullen did more with less his 1st 2 years, and has done less with more the last 2.
11-06-2013, 03:59 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Again, don't cite Rivals. Most inaccurate site when it comes to MSU recruiting.

And why is that? Because you don't have as many MSU fans going ape shit about a players star rankings.

Look at 247, they don't even have a site for several BCS schools. Bryant would still be a 73, 2 star if we didn't offer him last week. In 1 week 247 bumped him up to a 3 star. This was the result of many posters saying, "paul, when is he going to get a bump?" Oh please Paul. Yeah, real objective these recruiting rankings.
11-06-2013, 04:00 PM
J-Dawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Right, and Mcphee didn't commit until late in the process either. But Miss. State, the school you pull for, recruited him for 18 months. Mullen and Hud and the other coaches we kept did a good job of holding on to the class. But Croom and his staff recruited and gained commitments from almost all with the exception of Madrecus Hood, Perkins, Ricco Sanders, and Leon Berry. Give Mullen Slay if want though Croom evaluated and recruited him. That's still 2 NFL players compared to the 11 that Croom left him.

What coaching staff was in place for the 2009 classes entire careers? That has more bearing on the reason they made it to the NFL rather than who evaluated them or signed them.
11-06-2013, 04:05 PM
J-Dawg

I'm with engie on this one. There are plenty of things that I could cite when explaining why I want Mullen gone. Talent evaluation and lack of players put into the league aren't points I'd use to argue why I want him gone.

Like I said in my novel on page 2, a better excuse if you must use one is Mullen's lack of recruiting elite level (4-5*) offensive talent.... but neither did Croom outside of Dixon, I guess.
11-06-2013, 04:44 PM
J-Dawg

If you want another Mullen recruiting downfall, and it's his biggest one...... he isn't going to tell these blue-chip, super-star HS seniors what they want to hear, which is "Sure, you can play right away." Sadly, you have to caress most of these prospects' ego's in order to get them to raise an eyebrow to you. If you notice, all of the good recruiters are salesmen, obviously. They can sell immediate playing time, and other intangible (or tangible) things like to these recruits like selling ice to an eskimo. Mullen just doesn't have that, and while it's a not a knock of his personality, it is a negative in recruiting.
11-06-2013, 05:44 PM
ckDOG

Let's assume Mullen is the best recruiter we've had. Doesn't really say much. TR is statically one of the best QBs we've ever had, but you still have to scroll through the NCAA stats to find his performance from last yr. Tallest midget. Same thing.
11-06-2013, 06:35 PM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

No, he said, "Mullen is the best recruiter MSU has had, at least in the recruiting rankings era."

So that really only compares Mullen to Croom.

I will say our overall talent level is at decent level and getting better though. Mullen hasn't recruited near as bad as some of the recruiting rankings want you to believe. He evaluates well and finds value in overlooked players.

I believed this, and still do to an extent, so why do we get waxed when we play other talented teams? Also, two years in a row, those anonymous coach interviews claim otherwise.
11-06-2013, 06:39 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Slay was a sign and place that committed to Croom. Most sign and places re-sign with their original commitment. I give Mullen no credit for any of the players in the 2009 class. .

Well, of course you dont because you have an agenda. I'm sure you were one of the people that shouted loudly and proudly "Mullen hasnt beaten anybody in the SEC West besides OM" 2 years ago.

Slay was signed by Mullen. Alot of sign and places dont go back to the same school when they have a new staff. Sell that bullshit somewhere else
11-06-2013, 06:46 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Marooned

Crxxms had a class that was ranked 7th? or 12th? Once. What is Mullen's best class ranking?

Crooms never broke into the top 25...7th? 12? Hahahahahahahahahaha
11-06-2013, 07:02 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

And why is that? Because you don't have as many MSU fans going ape shit about a players star rankings.

Look at 247, they don't even have a site for several BCS schools. Bryant would still be a 73, 2 star if we didn't offer him last week. In 1 week 247 bumped him up to a 3 star. This was the result of many posters saying, "paul, when is he going to get a bump?" Oh please Paul. Yeah, real objective these recruiting rankings.

Are you serious man? You are losing credibility quickly.

So... you think that a 2 star rating for Bryant is more realistic than a 3 star rating?

If so your an idiot and wouldn't know if a pro-bowler slapped you in the face.

If you watch the video, you would see that it would be far more objective for Bryant to be a 4 star than for him to be a 2.

Wow, remind me to never read another thing you say. Are you 12 years old?
11-06-2013, 07:14 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Are you serious man? You are losing credibility quickly.

So... you think that a 2 star rating for Bryant is more realistic than a 3 star rating?

If so your an idiot and wouldn't know if a pro-bowler slapped you in the face.

If you watch the video, you would see that it would be far more objective for Bryant to be a 4 star than for him to be a 2.

Wow, remind me to never read another thing you say. Are you 12 years old?

I'm sure most of my posts go over your head b/c it appears you have the IQ of my mailbox. I will spell it out for you. This was not a comment on Bryant's ability. It was a comment on the recruiting rankings. I was actually one of the first on this site to defend Mullen for offering Bryant. He is a better player than 2 DB's on our commit list. If you commit to MSU, 247 is going to give you 3 stars.
11-06-2013, 07:22 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I'm sure most of my posts go over your head b/c it appears you have the IQ of my mailbox. I will spell it out for you. This was not a comment on Bryant's ability. It was a comment on the recruiting rankings. I was actually one of the first on this site to defend Mullen for offering Bryant. He is a better player than 2 DB's on our commit list. If you commit to MSU, 247 is going to give you 3 stars.

That's probably because he we aren't going offer any legitimate 2 star players. Rivals is terrible and please NEVER cite them as a source when referring to MSU recruiting rankings. They just aren't a credible source on MSU. 247 and Scout are
11-06-2013, 08:52 PM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Right, and Mcphee didn't commit until late in the process either. But Miss. State, the school you pull for, recruited him for 18 months. Mullen and Hud and the other coaches we kept did a good job of holding on to the class. But Croom and his staff recruited and gained commitments from almost all with the exception of Madrecus Hood, Perkins, Ricco Sanders, and Leon Berry. Give Mullen Slay if want though Croom evaluated and recruited him. That's still 2 NFL players compared to the 11 that Croom left him.

Croom is the worst recruiter we ever had, bar none. His highlight was signing a guy in prison. This claim that Croom left Mullen all this nfl talent is laughable. Sherrill left Croom some NFL talent, but he never developed it or used it right. Croom had the one good class and Mullen had to save it and added to it. Had Tyler walked, like he was considering, the class would've likely fell apart. Compare Crooms first recruiting class vs what Mullen managed in 2009 and then come telle how great Croom was at recruiting and talent evaluation. He did good that one class thanks to Ellis Johnson saving his ass plus a lucky combination of the best class MS has produced in a long time. He missed on waaaaay more than he hit on over his 5 years. And that is NOT debatable. Croom was a disaster in every aspect and saying otherwise is revisionist history. I'd bet that less than half of those 12 would've finished their career at MSU or made the NFL had Croom stayed throughout their career.
11-06-2013, 09:17 PM
Behrdawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I'm sure most of my posts go over your head b/c it appears you have the IQ of my mailbox. I will spell it out for you. This was not a comment on Bryant's ability. It was a comment on the recruiting rankings. I was actually one of the first on this site to defend Mullen for offering Bryant. He is a better player than 2 DB's on our commit list. If you commit to MSU, 247 is going to give you 3 stars.

Interesting
11-06-2013, 09:53 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

This claim that Croom left Mullen all this nfl talent is laughable. Sherrill left Croom some NFL talent, but he never developed it or used it right.

It's not a claim, it's a fact. It's exhausting educating you people. I'm not sure I have the energy. And how you could make the leap that anything I have posted somehow relates to my feelings on Croom as a coach is very puzzling to me.
11-06-2013, 09:54 PM
HoopsDawg

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

That's probably because he we aren't going offer any legitimate 2 star players.

So everyone is rated at least 3 stars on 247 b/c we wouldn't offer anyone who was a legitimate 2star. Interesting thought process.
11-06-2013, 10:10 PM
engie

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

So everyone is rated at least 3 stars on 247 b/c we wouldn't offer anyone who was a legitimate 2star. Interesting thought process.

You do realize that the same jumps will happen at Scout and Rivals as well, right? 24/7 is just realtime with it -- while the other 2 just do massive ratings bumps/evaluations a couple times/yr. Highly unlikely we have more than 1-2 2*s on the other sites by the time NSD gets here.

Rivals doesn't have a single "evaluator" in MS. They do a great job in some neighboring states -- but here, they are terrible...

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