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Originally Posted by redstickdawg

not to mention that he was being arrested for raping a 13 year old and had threatened his wife. I am amazed that this is who players are supporting, amazed!

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That's not true. It wasn't a teen. It was his wife or gf. He sexually assaulted her and beat her up.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I don't care if they protest. I started to protest over JoMo last year myself.

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I thought we did protest him last year, lol!

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

You all might as well jump off the wagon now because we are never going to have football players here that agree with you on these issues

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If that happened there would be no wagon for athletes to ride on and they completely lose their “voice” because a large portion of people that pay for their “voice” would disappear along with their money. There is a happy medium where people will accept athletes having a different opinion than they have without it being crammed down their throat. They are rapidly approaching “I’m gonna spend my time And money elsewhere” territory with their current strategy. I feel bad for the players on our team that were forced to go along with this charade for fear of being ostracized by their teammates.

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Originally Posted by oldjoedawg

Here's the real point.....no one is saying we all have to agree...players, coaches, fans will always disagree on many things.... What the players are doing is not the best way they can make their points about racial issues. I certainly hope they are able to sort through all of the killings that are going on all over the country and realize that there is a much larger issue than just police vs minorities.

I keep reminding myself at age 80, these are young adults...highly emotional...with little experience in living, or making mature judgments regarding the most effective way to make needed changes.

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What is the best way to do it? I really am curious as to what you would suggest. Certainly shutting up and playing does nothing more than keep business going as usual. It keeps the majority of the fans, who have never had to worry about the matter at hand, in their comfort zone. If this kind of protest pushes you further away, you're never going to meet eye to eye anyway.

Edit: I realize the Blake case will be used to discount today's protest in particular, but this whole movement is clearly bigger than just this one instance at this point.

Where to begin? New coaches, third group in just over three Years, completely missed 'spring', totally new systems.. both offense and defense. Media and coaches pick them next to last just ahead of hogs. Behind from the start ... and then you boycott!

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Players are using their leverage to do these type of things. Until fans stop paying to watch them play or watching them on TV it won?t do anything but get worse. I will be calling in the morning to opt out of my tickets that I originally opted in for. I don?t know if I will be allowed to do that or not. It?s already going to be a subpar game day experience and I can use that money elsewhere. If things continue down this road I will eventually completely stop watching sports. I?ve already stopped watching the nba and MLB. It?s tougher with football because it?s my favorite sport but I won?t continue to cheer for people who embarrass me. I don?t imagine anyone will really care but it doesn?t mean I have to continue to put up with it.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

That's not true. It wasn't a teen. It was his wife or gf. He sexually assaulted her and beat her up.

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well that makes it ok then, it was only rape of an adult. He's a fine fellow

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

What is the best way to do it? I really am curious as to what you would suggest. Certainly shutting up and playing does nothing more than keep business going as usual. It keeps the majority of the fans, who have never had to worry about the matter at hand, in their comfort zone. If this kind of protest pushes you further away, you're never going to meet eye to eye anyway.

Edit: I realize the Blake case will be used to discount today's protest in particular, but this whole movement is clearly bigger than just this one instance at this point.

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The best way to go about doing it? Well that depends on what the end goal is. If it is to completely ruin the sport and “way out” for future generations, forcing this down people’s throats and calling everyone who Disagrees with it a racist is a way to go. We were just off for 6 months and had nothing but BLM and corona shoved down our throat and now with a condensed fall camp after no spring ball we are skipping practice days to protest a rapist arrest resisting criminal who was reaching in a car full of kids for something cops Could not see. This is really happening with a football team in the SEC. If you can’t see how this is outlandish to a large portion of the fanbase then I just can’t help you.

The violence in cities post protest are exponentially worse now than they were prior. It forces police to not be able to do their job correctly, which is exactly what criminals want. So if more violence is what the end goal is, I guess this is also the way to go about it. I can’t tell you what the correct answer is because I don’t know what is most important to these kids. If they don’t want their sport to turn into a club sport that no one watches, they had better change something though. This path is 100% non sustainable for a large portion of their audience.

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Originally Posted by Extendedcab

This is why I no longer watch pro sports. They do not apply their outrage evenly across the spectrum. It is only applies to blacks that are killed and not whites or any other color. It is all a bad thing, people being killed by police, but some people do put themselves in harms way by resisting arrest or pulling a weapon on the police. These athletes do not seem to care about that, it is a sound bite world and they are playing to its fullest.

I will not watch pro-sports until this crap is over! If college level start this, I will not watch them either - sad to say!

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Unfortunately, the movement going on is just going to make things worse, not better. Seems to me you've got a BLM movement basically sending the message to a lot of young Blacks to have disdain for police and to have no respect for their authority which leads to things like resisting arrest or pulling a weapon on a policeman. Then you have police officers that are feeling isolated and jumpy out of fear that a black assailant may be ready to try to do him in at any confrontation or encounter. All that does is lead to an itchy trigger finger if there is even the slightest hint that a perp is doing something or THOUGHT to be doing something threatening. Its just a powder keg situation that looks to only get worse. The only Blacks that seem to have real problems with police that I see are ones out breaking the law. And not making excuses for police brutality, but if you don't want them to act with force then just comply with what they ask you to do.

I?m to the point I feel like half of these athletes , pro and amateur, hate me for the color of my skin and want to see my personal down fall in some way for not agreeing with them. I can?t and won?t get behind that. Let the chips fall where they may. Too many of my forefathers fought for the American ideal. Lawlessness based on lies is the devils work , that?s how I was raised. F em

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Originally Posted by redstickdawg

well that makes it ok then, it was only rape of an adult. He's a fine fellow

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Never said that. Just pointing out an inaccuracy that I also used before reading more.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Here's the thing ALL athletes need to remember. No matter what sport or what team. If they choose not to play these sports leagues will find people that will play because they are out there and will be very happy for the opportunity. And yes, fans will cheer those players because we cheer for the name on the front not the back.

Just typical athlete arrogance. I watch to see the CARDINALS or the BULLDOGS play. I don't watch sports to watch this specific player. Now I certainly have players I like to watch but when Albert Pujols left the Cardinals I didn't become an Angels fan. I still pull for the Cardinals.

Hell, I'm glad Dexter Fowler sat out last night because the guy that replaced him got the key hit to tie the game and debatably should be playing over him anyway.

And another thing- if they REALLY thought that protesting was going to eliminate all of the world's problems- they need to get a dose of reality. Because right or wrong there are good and bad people out there and people do the wrong things sometimes. And no amount of looting is going to EVER stop that. All you can do is control yourself and do as much right as you can.

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True, no one player or group of players are bigger than the team, program or University. Next man up. I'm a Bulldog for life but my support for some of the things happening in sports has and will continue to cause my support to dwindle. Anyone can sit for whatever reason they want but the next one up that has the grit to step up and play, I'll cheer him on.

?I?m to the point I feel like half of these athletes , pro and amateur, hate me for the color of my skin and want to see my personal down fall in some way for not agreeing with them. I can?t and won?t get behind that. Let the chips fall where they may. Too many of my forefathers fought for the American ideal. Lawlessness based on lies is the devils work , that?s how I was raised. F em?

More people are waking up to that point. 2020 has only accelerated it.

I'm all for our guys standing up for social justice and for what's right. I fully support that.

However, what happened in Wisconsin a few days ago doesn't fit that bill. The guy (with a warrant for his arrest) resisted arrest, resisted the taser, resisted multiple opportunities to comply with the officers, and then reached his arm for a knife in his car. When you scream "systemic racism" for every situation involving African Americans and police officers, it starts to lose its effectiveness and takes away from situations that actually warrant it (ie. George Floyd). Again, I fully support our team for standing together. But if they're standing for this guy in Wisconsin, then they're completely misunderstanding the point.

Also, just bc our football team stands for something, doesn't make you a bad person for disagreeing with it. A lot of fans just go with whatever they say just because they're football players for MSU.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Never said that. Just pointing out an inaccuracy that I also used before reading more.

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I was being sarcastic, sorry that I forgot to include the sarcasterics.
For the life of me, in looking at the recent police incidents I haven't found one yet that is an exemplary citizen worthy of praise and emulation. All have been involved in significant crimes and or resisting arrest.

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Originally Posted by bobtail bob

I?m to the point I feel like half of these athletes , pro and amateur, hate me for the color of my skin and want to see my personal down fall in some way for not agreeing with them. I can?t and won?t get bhind that. Let the chips fall where they may. Too many of my forefathers fought for the American ideal. Lawlessness based on lies is the devils work , that?s how I was raised. F em

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True. Look the kneeling is not about social justice. Kneeling is about hating what they think America stands for. Kap said so himself. Yes some kneel for real reasons but they never think about really why, why during anthem? American has and stands for the greatest ideals of any country in world history. Is America perfect, no and it never will be.

Kneeling has not and will not do one thing to solve any wrongs in this world. Everyone has injustices done to them and the facts of the data don't say what they say it says. I guess we can all protest each other to death. So folks will protest the protest and what good does it do?

Folks everywhere need to focus on their own shortomings, look at the log in your own eye not the spec in others. Anyone ever ask why the police are in some of these areas? Not because the want to be, they get called. Why? The evil hearts of men of every creed. Lawlessness gets met with the law and bad things happen. Want to end this, stop the lawlessness. It is that easy.

The only two times they have come near my home was when crime and lawlessness occured against me and my family. When I was encountered by police in a tense situation, I obeyed the law and nothing happened.

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

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Originally Posted by bostondawg

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

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The world is changing. Ratings for people And companies who are close minded and don’t look at statistics and logic like yourself are facing extremely challenging times. You are the problem to the majority of the country, not me.....the numbers of the “go woke go broke” crowd are loud and clear. You don’t speak for the majority.

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Originally Posted by bostondawg

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

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I got news for you, we are all going to be dust and on that day I want to stand on the right side of life issues not the wrong side. There is a right and wrong. The Bible does say the way to destruction is wide and many find it. I take that as a compliment is you say I am in the minority. You better give it some thought. Forever is a long, long time if you are wrong.

Things aren?t changing. What?s going on now has been happening for thousands of years. It repeats itself over and over with the same result

I support our players, our team. In this particular case a man was shot 7 times. Why 7 times, I don't know. Seems like an overreaction in my opinion, but when you disobey a cop again and again, you put yourself in that gray area where adrenaline is flowing and instincts can takeover. This is a dangerous place to be, but you can avoid this by just complying with instructions, even if you are in the right and they are in the wrong. Live another day, fight for your rights, and make your case.

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Originally Posted by R2Dawg

I got news for you, we are all going to be dust and on that day I want to stand on the right side of life issues not the wrong side. There is a right and wrong. The Bible does say the way to destruction is wide and many find it. I take that as a compliment is you say I am in the minority. You better give it some thought. Forever is a long, long time if you are wrong.

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I know where my moral compass points, brother. I know where I stand today--and where I would have stood in 1964 and 1862, too. Our players can say the same. I hope you can, too.

Our players are men, and most will go on to do something that isn't football. I'm incredibly proud of them. And I'm honored to be a fan.

The under of 2.5 wins is starting to look better and better. What a shit show. Leach and co probably regret coming. It's about time to check some athletic privilege.

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Originally Posted by bostondawg

It's abundantly clear that MSU has a ton of closed-minded fans. It is what it is. The world is changing, and it will leave you in the dust. So will MSU. Don't be left behind.

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Hahaha. MSU won't leave any fan in the dust that has a dime to their name. State fans joke about usm. But state doesn't have fans either compared to other P5s.

My question is what exactly do they want? A few weeks ago it was a change in the state flag. That has been done and accolades given for some protesting. This week we are protesting a thug that got shot by resisting arrest and reaching for a weapon. What exactly is it that you expect to get this time? Should a felon with warrants that is causing trouble for others be patted on the head and asked nicely by the popo to play nice? What will it be next week? next month? If it's gonna be some reason not to practice/play every time we turn around, just shut it down, clean house, and go back to STUDENT athletes like it was intended to be.

As I posted on another board: I know that they see other teams doing this and believe it's the right way to go about things, but I think this probably does more to frustrate a pretty sizable chunk of our fanbase than it does to bring any kind of social justice or unity.

Don't really have an issue with what they did as a form of protest, but it comes across as little more than virtue signaling to me. It's merely following the lead of what other teams have done, and considering they will be back on the practice field tomorrow I'm not sure what the lasting impact is other than it rubbed quite a few of our fans the wrong way, which should not be surprising. If it helps the players feel better about themselves, OK that's fine. But that's about all it really accomplishes.

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Originally Posted by Coldhardtruth

My question is what exactly do they want? A few weeks ago it was a change in the state flag. That has been done and accolades given for some protesting. This week we are protesting a thug that got shot by resisting arrest and reaching for a weapon. What exactly is it that you expect to get this time? Should a felon with warrants that is causing trouble for others be patted on the head and asked nicely by the popo to play nice? What will it be next week? next month? If it's gonna be some reason not to practice/play every time we turn around, just shut it down, clean house, and go back to STUDENT athletes like it was intended to be.

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It'll never be enough. Whatever it is it'll never be enough. I assume you saw where they started rioting and looting in Minneapolis because a murder suspect shot himself as police were moving in to arrest him.

Young black men say they are often targeted or profiled by police. As an old white man I can't refute that and since so many say that I assume it is true. I admire the team for speaking out. Maybe with the Blake incident it's a little misguided but when I see the comments to our team on social media I think them speaking out against hate and racism is warranted.

Is there evidence that the cop is a racist?

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

It'll never be enough. Whatever it is it'll never be enough. I assume you saw where they started rioting and looting in Minneapolis because a murder suspect shot himself as police were moving in to arrest him.

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This. There is no end game. It's always gonna be something else. SMH

This is how bad it's gotten. I'm in my hotel room and see Rush Hour 2 is coming on syfy so i turn it on. There's a disclaimer at the beginning and after every commercial break and it says "We really love our buddy films but this film was made at a different time and some viewers may find the material insensistive and offensive". What the heck? Gimme a break!

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

I support our players, our team. In this particular case a man was shot 7 times. Why 7 times, I don't know. Seems like an overreaction in my opinion, but when you disobey a cop again and again, you put yourself in that gray area where adrenaline is flowing and instincts can takeover. This is a dangerous place to be, but you can avoid this by just complying with instructions, even if you are in the right and they are in the wrong. Live another day, fight for your rights, and make your case.

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Because he was a felon, had already fought with them and gotten away, and was going for his weapon. If that shit went down at my house, I'd have unloaded my gun into him too.
There are examples of bad police actions. This just isn't it.

I realize I'm in the minority based on this thread, but I support our players (as does our head coach).

They have a voice and they expressed their views both respectfully and peacefully.

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

The under of 2.5 wins is starting to look better and better. What a shit show. Leach and co probably regret coming. It's about time to check some athletic privilege.

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Nah...no way this is a serious post

Funny i didn't see anyone protesting the 5 y/o that got shot last week by a grown man.

I have no problem with what they did, its the reason i have a problem with. If people would stop fighting cops and just comply there would be no shootings.

wrong, he is a registered sex offender.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

It'll never be enough. Whatever it is it'll never be enough. I assume you saw where they started rioting and looting in Minneapolis because a murder suspect shot himself as police were moving in to arrest him.

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Exactly. Also each time marching and walking out is applauded, the more they will exercise their right to do so. It won't surprise me if they follow the nba's lead again at some point in the season by walking off the field (court) on game day. I'd hate to think I went through all the trouble and expense of getting to Starkville just to see a protest.

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Originally Posted by LC Dawg

Young black men say they are often targeted or profiled by police. As an old white man I can't refute that and since so many say that I assume it is true. I admire the team for speaking out. Maybe with the Blake incident it's a little misguided but when I see the comments to our team on social media I think them speaking out against hate and racism is warranted.

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It's pure hypocrisy nothing more. If they were worried about young black men getting shot they would prtest young black men, not the police. The data does not show, for those that want data and not talking points, that young black men are "targeted by police", are you saying that the police hunt them?

Once again don't break the law, don't try to fight the police and statistically there is very little in the way of bad outcome, Blake, Floyd and the most of the rest were either in the act of fighting police or another criminal activity.

Now if your goal is to allow all types of criminal activity as appears to be the case with BLM, go ahead that's one of the reasons for the 2A. Unfortunately a lot of people are fed up with being called racist because they don't bow down to BLM and their demands.