This is a game of jimmy"a and joe's unless moorhead is coaching them.
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This is a game of jimmy"a and joe's unless moorhead is coaching them.
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Originally Posted by Johnson85
We had plenty of playmakers in 2012. We had the Thorpe award winner and a current pro bowl corner in the same secondary. We had an awful DC that had no business getting that job.
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Originally Posted by maroonmania
He quit on his team a month before the season and held a valuable scholarship hostage at a big position of need because he all of a sudden doesn’t know if he wants to play football any more.
Well by then the league has already said they were gonna honor all scholarships so you think he was going to walk away from all that?? Free easy money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Oh I never expected him to walk away from it. Graduating from MSU debt free and not fulfilling your obligations to do so is a good gig if you can get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I agree with that. But the thing about the game today is the Jimmy's and Joe's also have to be well conditioned and have discipline too. And that's where Joe ultimately failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I expect Purvis to break in the depth chart somewhere.
I clarified in another post that I meant in the front 7. And while Wilson did a terrible job, it's also really had to play defense in the SEC without a single DL that needs to be double teamed. And we played Cherrington a lot that year if that tells you anything about our DL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
On the other hand, we did have Denico Autry, who I always thought just needed a year to get adjusted to the SEC, but it probably is pretty likely that Wilson must have held him back some, because usually your JUCOs with NFL talent manage to adjust midway through their first season.
As usual, you are wrong. You're getting senile in your old age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'll side closer to coach on this.. Our defense wasn't good last year and we lost several major pieces, hard to see it being a whole lot better. Juco's usually take half a season to get up to speed. might see a jump halfway through. We shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
I think it will be on par with last year. Especially since gay only played 3.5 games and dantzler what, 7? Losing Lovett and rivers hurt. Jones sucked last year, Forbes can give you this year what jones gave you last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
You seem to agree. C34 said it will be worse. We will see.
Yea I believe that Wilson was the problem. B. McKinney was also on that defense. He's a STUD for the Texans. Cam Lawrence made an NFL roster. Autry is playing lights out in the NFL. Josh Boyd made an NFL roster. A Thorpe award winning corner. An all pro corner. Preston Smith was not developed yet but he's a monster and was also on the roster and played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I'll say I would much rather have problems in the secondary than problems in the front 7 and I don't think it will be a worse defense than Sirmon, but I'm not expecting much.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
We are worse at LB, Safety, and CB. Our front is middle of the pack SEC at the very best. We have zero depth. Sure, I expect a better effort and for us to be well-coached- but that only goes so far. Hell, we were well-coached on D last year. We just don?t have the impact players needed to stop SEC athletes or handle good SEC OL?s. Bet the overs early before Vegas figures it outQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
I love these kinds of posts. File this one along with we can beat LSU/Orgeron is an awful Coach, we have a chance to win at Auburn, we have a chance to win at A&M/Jimbo sux, no way we have a losing season in 2019, and now that Joe has his QB our offense will be one of the SEC’s bestQuote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Why do you think this defense will be worse than last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How are we worse at lb and safety?
It will be hard to tell honestly, just due to the fact that we play 10 sec games with no sucky teams to rest players against. This defense could be better but be beat up and injured and allow more points just due to the schedule.
I don't think our defense will be as bad as our worst defensive games last year. Probably won't be any better than our best games and may be worse. But you're right it will be hard to compare playing a ten game SEC schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Wait, you think Jimbo has been a good coach the last 5 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Jimbo has now flipped the roster and gotten the talent level closer to the top as opposed to out of the middle. They should be pretty damn good this year. If he throws out a 6-4 this Fall then its a definite bad look. They should be an 8 win teamQuote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg
No, we had a disease from top to bottom thanks to Joe. We were not well coached on D last year. We looked better when the Tutorgate guys got to play but I don't think the defense was well coached. We will be better coached this year but, like you say, the talent gap is going to rear its ugly head in about half the games we play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The kid from Grenada is going to be an excellent cover CB. He needs to RS. He is going to get wrecked when he has to tackle an SEC RB that weighs 200 pounds. He weighed 160 in the Fall- he may be 170 now- but he aint ready for SEC tackling. He's a 7 on 7 Specialist right now. We were good at CB last year with Dantzler and Smitherman- we dropped off considerably after Smitherman got hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Murphy can play. He will be pretty good.
Thompson can play the run damn well- struggles in pass coverage. He is not in the NFL because he was projected a late round pick last April. Gay played 4 games and look where he got picked? Losing experience in Washington and Leo hurts this group also
Our DL has no pass rushers and we dont have "that guy" who can be that Nose who makes offenses worried about. We do have a chance to be decent against the run.
We lost 8 of our top 12 tacklers from 2019. In almost every world a defense takes a step back the next year when that happens unless they have an ultra-talented group of young guys. We dont have that.
Add lack of depth to that and the possibility of 50 passes per game on offense vs 35 to extend games.
We will struggle alot on D in 2020- especially when we get a few injuries- which always happens
Only hope I see of the D being decent isQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
1) the scheme is unique and I could see some stubborn OC refusing to adapt/being too incompetent to prepare his QB to make pre snap reads.
2) If the scheme/the new guys can generate a much better pass rush than I expect. That's the only way to help the DBs.
I agree though that it's not looking good overall. We will probably see some '16 level blown coverages due to QBs having 4+ seconds to throw and non-SEC DBs being fielded due to injury/rest needs.
Some fans will blame Arnett saying he sucks and Shoop was way better, and others will argue that it's just personnel. I'll just be smiling that we're discussing football instead of COVID
Cant judge Arnett on 2020. 2021 will be a much better judge. We have to recruit better on D- it has dropped the last couple of years
I agree mostly. Def agree with last paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Still not sure we will be markedly worse than 2019.
I agree with your first two sentences 100%, and I do think we need to recruit better defensively but it is worth mentioning that our defense would not have been what it was in 2017 and 2018 without the signing of a generational DL talent in Simmons and unbelievably good JUCO class in 2017. I am not sure those are things you can count on consistently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You can't, but we should be able to count on having NFL quality DL based on our history the past decade plus - Love, Cox, Smith, McPhee, Denico Autry,and Hoyett, show that. And that's not counting talent like Jones, Simmons & Sweat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
I think we've had a few years of weaker in-state talent and our recruiting has been inconsistent with the staff turnover. I think we have some talent in Pickering and King Ani, but they are young and not at the point where they can take over a game like Jones or Simmons could at the same point in their careers. The difference in last year and this year versus the past 10 season prior is we had at least 1 guy who was at a high level, even if the rest were young or lesser talents. Maybe Pickering can step up, maybe Arnett can mask some of it. It was a weakness last year, and will probably be one again this season.
2022 is going to be a year for us to see something very very special.
I believe that. Leach is going to take us places.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
(BTW, where have you been?)