There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?Quote:
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There are millions who would jump at the chance to be an engineer / name your 6 figure job but who's actually qualified and capable to perform that job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
That's why unions exist. Do you not understand history?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeputyDawg94
Are you a Dawg61 alter, by chance, Dan?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I’ve been thinking the exact same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Football players have the opportunity to earn a degree for those jobs for freeQuote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Those millions have a better chance of being an engineer than being a millionaire athlete due to EEO and affirmative action. When will see that in sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Be an engineer for free? You need to work on your reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Not for unions. What they were original formed for was great. They are killing our county now. Can’t you see the present.
Unions are for people with jobs! College football players are NOT workers, they are college students who elect to play a sport at the college for the benefit of getting their education (and all living expenses) for free. By your logic, HS football players should be demanding a cut of anything their HS brings in from their games. Heck, HS players aren't getting ANY financial benefits from playing which is a way worse situation than college players have.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
This, exactly. Where do you draw the line? High school, junior high? What about the cheerleaders, the band, the ball boys, the managers and anyone involved, shouldn't they get a cut too? I guess everyone's entitled these days. smh.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Are you opposed to treating them as employees giving each player a salary based on their worth and not providing any benefits for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
So for instance K Hill gets 250k a year/salary
but out of that he has to pay his tuition, room and board, tutor fees, facility memberships, all of his meals etc?
So basically just treat them as if they were an actual employee.
Don't forget taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
And it would be the end of non-revenue sports since football is funding that women's volleyball team.
Another ?useful idiot? toting Saul Alinsky?s water.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
But then they'd have to pay taxes and it would by be fair**Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Thats my point on the fallacy. These particular players think the fans are there for them when the fans are actually there for the school colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
When the NFL played with replacements in 1987 the fans did not like it but did not stop watching.
In college football, most people would not like an Egg Bowl less if the game were just JA, Madison Central, Brandon and MRA all stars, it's still an egg bowl. People would just write off that 5-stars are heading to the XFL, 4-stars to Canada, and 1-in-5 "3-stars" played in college. It would be like college baseball and we would still love it.
True, true. Pandoras box is opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
The other thing is so they want to get paid so then they have to pay the coaches and school for using the million dollar facilities while they are at it. If they get paid then they can also pay their tuition and other stuff while they are at it.
Richard Cross made the point the other day using Stamford as example and their benefit was around 800K to play football at Stamford. And that is getting out of school with a degree from Stamford with no school debt. I'd say that is getting paid.
I say let them go the NFL and see how hard it is if they want to make money.
To much entitlement and victim mentality running wild in our society.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
If this were to ever be allowed the size of the industry would shrink. Donors would bail like crazy.
This might be a good thing. Just let all the guys go who want to get paid and get the kids that really want to play college football. Watch D2 or D3 games sometimes and you'll see kids playing hard every play and just enjoying the game, it's refreshing.
roster sizes would have to shrink. A lot of guys that want to be paid, wouldn't have a spot on a SEC team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
when Ed O'bannon wanted to get paid for being on a video game, they just stopped making the video game. You always have to be careful what you wish for.
Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
The NFL loves having a free minor league system with college. They don't want their own system.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Agree on the baseball model. NBA has D league. NFL needs to step up and quit riding the college system coat tails. College needs to shut it down now as well. The house of cards will implode like everything else if they let this continue. Someone has got to have a backbone and have some business IQ. Did any of these leaders go to college or understand business?Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
1956 Paul Hornung Rookie Standard Players Contract. Few documents could carry more significance to fans of the Green Bay Packers than this one, which brought the number one pick in the 1957 draft into the green and yellow fold. The Heisman-winning Notre Dame halfback would prove to be an integral part of the equation that would turn Lombardi's team into one of the NFL's greatest dynasties, and earn their little Wisconsin home city the name of "Titletown USA." The standard contract secures the Golden Boy's services for the years of "1957 - 58 - 59," setting the annual salary at fifteen thousand dollars. A typed rider at the top stipulates, "However the term of this three year contract shall be extended beyond the said three years for such period of time as the Player shall be engaged in military service." Signifying their consent to this term with their initials are Hornung, Packers president Russell Bogda and commissioner Bert Bell. Each of these gentlemen sign in full at the close of the contract, along with witnesses Bernard Darling (whose 1929 Packers Championship watch is available in this auction!) and Paul Hornung's agent Julius Tucker. All autographs and the contract itself remain in absolutely flawless condition, clearly treasured and protected as the tremendously significant artifact that it is. Original storage folds present. Measures 8x20" in its entirety. LOA from PSA/DNA. LOA from James Spence Authentication.
Did he play pro ball for the money?
What would that 15000.00 per year be in today's money?
What would a college player in 1956 have been worth? 200.00 a year?
I understand the college game produces more today but what should college sports be about? What is girls volleyball about? What should football be about? What are you as a fan willing to pay for?
I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
Well that's obvious, they love the gravy train of getting something for nothing. But its about to all come to a head. Colleges were never set up to pay players a salary to be on a college football team. NFL needs to be sued for their age restrictions on drafting and once that is struck down a HS football player can either be drafted (whether for being developed in some kind of minor league system or going straight to the NFL), play at a college with all expenses paid (what they have now), or neither and just go out into the real world and get a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
How bad would it be? Colleges would play with overall less talented players for sure (just like baseball and to some degree basketball) but I would much rather have that than to pull for a 'mercenary for hire' college football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
That's why I love watching D2 and D3 games. 99% of those kids are playing because they love the game and have no illusions of playing in "the league" and they're getting an education to boot. They also play extremely hard and with "relentless effort", which is always fun to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.
Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.
Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.
agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Disagree. Some would go to the NFL but the majority would go to minor league...pretty much all 5-star kids and high 4-star kids would go to the minor league and get paid. At that point you would be left with athletes who are playing on scholarship to get an education like...you know...an ACTUAL student-athlete...instead of playing college football to get $100 handshakes and 5 figure under-the-table payouts. It would be clear that they probably won't go pro...but they will get an education for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Additionally, that would bump up some students who end up in smaller schools into playing for larger programs with better educational opportunities.
The overall talent would go down across the board and would probably even the playing field to some small degree.
There would not be enough spots in a hypothetical pro minor league system to take that many HS players every single season. Not to mention all the really good college players that don’t get drafted straight to the NFL, they will take up a lot of spots.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
People clearly have no clue what athletes get today compared to 15-20 years ago..... way way way more. Scholarship, books, room check, meal check, (part can go straight in their pocket due to the amount of food available daily at complex) , pell grants in lists of cases, plus stipend With all they they get a chance if they are good enough to play professionally and if not they SHOULD have an education that they have spent zero on. Which in theory should lead to further employment. If that's not enough just don't fing play. Go to college and have debt like half of America and not have made money during college for beer, women and dope.
A-M-E-N. End of thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yeah Homedawg mic dropped on this one!Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yep.
So what happens when, once college players get paid, it drops down to the high school stars demanding to be paid too? Many, maybe most, don't want to be in school there either.
They wouldn't all go to the minor league. The NFL would only be willing to select and pay the HS recruits that were the absolute cream of the crop. And the vast majority wouldn't get anymore in pay than they currently get in full scholarship benefits at a P5 college.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Heck some of these guys take a pay cut when they go from college to the nfl right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania