Welp, there goes the NC State game.

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Nope. Once we have a vaccine this will become the flu. Until then it's difficult to manage because we are still in the infancy of understanding the intricacies of this.

But once we have a vaccine and can administer it like the flu everything will be back to normal. Hopefully that can happen by next summer.

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Are you going to mandate everyone take the vaccine? People won't even wear masks, or take the flu vaccine.

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For everyone. Players physically can't social distance in football and if you trust schools to be transparent about positive tests in season you're insane. Fans won't social distance and no one will police it.

The problem right now is that too many people don't give a shit and think that because football makes so much money it's ok to go forward. Meanwhile, you have a number of coaches, players family, etc that would be at risk during this. Of course they are willing to risk it. That's what they do. Doesn't make it right.

And I'll continue to preface this by saying I'm a conservative public school administrator. No one can answer the simple question as to why we are canceling non conference but keeping conference games? Makes zero sense. I predict we come out of this looking really dumb. Up to this point, the south is leading the charge in ignorance on this topic. If college football is as powerful as y'all say it is, what happened today wouldn't have happened. False narrative and overblown statistics done shut down public schools nationally and college football.

I'll say it again. A lot of people are going to be disappointed in a couple months.

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Playing the game of football itself is not safe. Statistically, our players are more likely to have to seek medical treatment for a football injury than for covid! How in the world is it unsafe or not logical for them to play due to covid but it is safe and logical for them to play in the first place?

Fans don't have to attend.

Cancelling noncon is about controlling travel, schedule flexibility, and testing.

The south? Uh, have you totally blacked out on NY handling of this. Cuomo (whom I like) made the worst decision of any governor when he decided positive patients would remain in nursing homes while hospitals were empty. That was the driver of deaths in NY, which has 30 times our death count and only 6.5 times our population. Tate (whom I don't like) ain't perfect, but he's running circles around Cuomo.

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Are you going to mandate everyone take the vaccine? People won't even wear masks, or take the flu vaccine.

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No. But we don't need everyone to take it. We just need a vaccine readily available like the flu vaccine so that hospitalizations can be mitigated. Once we get a vaccine, we accept there's a certain risk level and personal choice. Until then, the risk is too high because exposure isn't a personal choice.

Not sure why folks keep taking this so damn far. No one is mandating vaccines or saying they should. But the difference between the flu and this is that you get to choose whether or not you mitigate your risk to the flu to a certain degree with acceptable and standard medical practices like receiving a vaccine. COVID isn't there yet because there's no potential to mitigate spread with traditionally accepted ways. That takes time. Until then, there's a lot of folks at risk. And we don't know how at risk because we shut down things like school and sports that would be ways to easily transmit something we can't reasonable control.

Opening those things back up to normal creates a serious problem in my mind. But eventually we will have a vaccine and everything will go back to normal.

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Playing the game of football itself is not safe. Statistically, our players are more likely to have to seek medical treatment for a football injury than for covid! How in the world is it unsafe or not logical for them to play due to covid but it is safe and logical for them to play in the first place?

Fans don't have to attend.

Cancelling noncon is about controlling travel, schedule flexibility, and testing.

The south? Uh, have you totally blacked out on NY handling of this. Cuomo (whom I like) made the worst decision of any governor when he decided positive patients would remain in nursing homes while hospitals were empty. That was the driver of deaths in NY, which has 30 times our death count and only 6.5 times our population. Tate (whom I don't like) ain't perfect, but he's running circles around Cuomo.

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It's logical because the difference is the medical help they need for a football injury is 99.9% of the time fixable and controllable. COVID isn't to that degree and we still don't know the specifics about it.

And as far as controlling travel, Columbia, Missouri and Raleigh, North Carolina are roughly the same distance from Starkville. That's a pretty garbage excuse. We will cancel Florida vs Florida State but allow Florida to host Missouri. Makes zero sense.

New York is one state. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi are doing poorly. We weren't smart and it's going to cost us football.

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Nope. Once we have a vaccine this will become the flu. Until then it's difficult to manage because we are still in the infancy of understanding the intricacies of this.

But once we have a vaccine and can administer it like the flu everything will be back to normal. Hopefully that can happen by next summer.

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By the time we get a vaccine that will handle the amount of people that need it, much less th e, country football will be done bro.

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It's been obvious for a while now that HS and College sports this fall was a pipe dream. If people had actually followed the guidlines when we came off lockdown it might have happened. Nobody gave a damn beyond a week's fun. It wasn't like we weren't warned.

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Well, If we don't have football that will give us more time to attend BLM rally's. That's the only thing the coronabro's have given us permission to do anyway.

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No. But we don't need everyone to take it. We just need a vaccine readily available like the flu vaccine so that hospitalizations can be mitigated. Once we get a vaccine, we accept there's a certain risk level and personal choice. Until then, the risk is too high because exposure isn't a personal choice.

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Exposure, in the context of playing football, absolutely is a personal choice now, even without a vaccine. Nobody is forcing any player to play. They want to play. The players and coaches have access to the same data you and I have regarding exposure, and they want to play. How is that not personal choice?

Or do we just want to make the choice for them because we think we understand the data and their risks better than them?

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By the time we get a vaccine that will handle the amount of people that need it, much less th e, country football will be done bro.

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Very possible. But I hate to say this, and it will offend some people, but football isn't as important as the health and well being of a society. I know for some people they only live for football. Really bad way to live.

I get people love football. I love it too. Health of society is more important. There will always be folks willing to accept the risk. The question is are we able to mitigate the transmission to those who can't make that choice. Right now we can't. If it means no football one year, that sucks. But long term it's worth it.

And I hope folks don't start throwing out death statistics to justify themselves. There are still things that are really bad outcomes from this that aren't death and will be with you for the rest of your life. Saying "oh you most likely won't die from it" isn't exactly the comforting statement some think it is.

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Exposure, in the context of playing football, absolutely is a personal choice now, even without a vaccine. Nobody is forcing any player to play. They want to play. The players and coaches have access to the same data you and I have regarding exposure, and they want to play. How is that not personal choice?

Or do we just want to make the choice for them because we think we understand the data and their risks better than them?

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You are naive as hell if you don't think kids feel pressured to play. May not be verbally, but the system isn't set up for people to succeed by not playing. And for coaches, their livelihood goes away if football goes away. Duh they want to play.

Also, this board talks all the time about how these kids make bad choices for what college they commit to. But now, all of a sudden, you are saying they are smart enough to know the risks better than medical professionals? Makes zero sense.

I get it. You want everyone to call off the dogs and fend for themselves. Football and everything else needs to go on like normal and forget any measure of safety because hell everything is a risk. That's not practical when we are taking about something that the vast majority of our population doesn't know one little shit about, regardless of what they say on message boards and Facebook.

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It's logical because the difference is the medical help they need for a football injury is 99.9% of the time fixable and controllable. COVID isn't to that degree and we still don't know the specifics about it.

And as far as controlling travel, Columbia, Missouri and Raleigh, North Carolina are roughly the same distance from Starkville. That's a pretty garbage excuse. We will cancel Florida vs Florida State but allow Florida to host Missouri. Makes zero sense.

New York is one state. Alabama, Florida, Mississippi are doing poorly. We weren't smart and it's going to cost us football.

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But 99% of the time they won't need medical help at all due to covid. Statically, they are better off getting covid than suffering a football injury. Ask any of our players if he'd rather have a football injury or test positive for covid and he will tell you the latter. So would I at 20.

I agree, but Travel is just one aspect. The biggest thing is schedule flexibility.

Al, fl, and ms are all doing waaaay better than ny. Every southern state has. Same with NJ. Those two states alone account for 1/3 of deaths. The south has done way better.

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Very possible. But I hate to say this, and it will offend some people, but football isn't as important as the health and well being of a society. I know for some people they only live for football. Really bad way to live.

I get people love football. I love it too. Health of society is more important. There will always be folks willing to accept the risk. The question is are we able to mitigate the transmission to those who can't make that choice. Right now we can't. If it means no football one year, that sucks. But long term it's worth it.

And I hope folks don't start throwing out death statistics to justify themselves. There are still things that are really bad outcomes from this that aren't death and will be with you for the rest of your life. Saying "oh you most likely won't die from it" isn't exactly the comforting statement some think it is.

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While I understand your point and don't disagree, this could linger and linger for no telling how long. The economic impact of no sports will long term be WAY greater. And it won't be close.

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You are naive as hell if you don't think kids feel pressured to play. May not be verbally, but the system isn't set up for people to succeed by not playing. And for coaches, their livelihood goes away if football goes away. Duh they want to play.

Also, this board talks all the time about how these kids make bad choices for what college they commit to. But now, all of a sudden, you are saying they are smart enough to know the risks better than medical professionals? Makes zero sense.

I get it. You want everyone to call off the dogs and fend for themselves. Football and everything else needs to go on like normal and forget any measure of safety because hell everything is a risk. That's not practical when we are taking about something that the vast majority of our population doesn't know one little shit about, regardless of what they say on message boards and Facebook.

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Which of our players has told you he is being pressured to play? And pressured By whom? Or are you just assuming you know how they feel? Do you also think they are being pressured to go on social media and say they want to play? Kylin has already shown he is not willing to play over Smn important to him, but you think he is incapable of saying he is not willing to play over covid? Kinda insulting.

Again, don't equate their covid risk in playing to ours in every day life. I don't think everyone should fend for themselves, but I do think decisions should be data driven. And the data overwhelmingly supports playing with little or no fans, especially when the players are willing to accept what minute risk they have in playing with respect to catching covid.

Finally, So we know nothing about the virus, yet you know it has "really bad outcomes" that will last "the rest of your life." Unh?

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Which of our players has told you he is being pressured to play? And pressured By whom? Or are you just assuming you know how they feel? Do you also think they are being pressured to go on social media and say they want to play? Kylin has already shown he is not willing to play over Smn important to him, but you think he is incapable of saying he is not willing to play over covid? Kinda insulting.

Again, don't equate their covid risk in playing to ours in every day life. I don't think everyone should fend for themselves, but I do think decisions should be data driven. And the data overwhelmingly supports playing with little or no fans, especially when the players are willing to accept what minute risk they have in playing with respect to catching covid.

Finally, So we know nothing about the virus, yet you know it has "really bad outcomes" that will last "the rest of your life." Unh?

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Yeah lung scarring doesn't just magically disappear. I would be pretty disappointed if I had to live with that the rest of my life. So I feel that's a pretty bad outcome no? At least I'm not dead!!

Again. Read the post. I didn't say anyone pressure anyone. The pressure is built in to the system of college football and if you've ever played or coached sports you would know that. Play or get cut/asked to leave at this level. Don't play and you are letting your team down or might get passed permanently on the depth chart. That has been built into sports forever.

I guess I'm just shocked honestly. I get it. Folks are inconvenienced being asked to wear masks. I'm a big fan of data too. Data says you can not have symptoms and still have the disease. You still thinking only about the players is the exact issue. If they go visit grandma during the week, or get it from someone in the dorm and pass it along to a coach that has an underlying medical issue, that's a problem. It's very short sighted to say the players are most likely not in danger so why is there an issue? Because they aren't the only ones affected. That's the part people refuse to wrap their minds around. It's not about you. It's about who else you might affect. That's a pretty simple concept.

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Get ready folks. College football isn't happening. We are over 50 days away from the season starting and P5 conferences are already cancelling some of their games. There's a reason why.

Texas high school is on the verge of cancelling football as well. It's going to happen. The question is how quickly. I would just prepare yourselves so you aren't let down when it happens.

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Today's news of cancelling non-conference is step 1 i believe.
next will be the news.. no fans or only very limited friends and family to attend. I would say that's step 2 and very likely to happen.
Last and hopefully not, would be the cancellation of the season...
Only other thing i can think of is pushing the start a month / shortening the season..

so much unknown.. and i think they want to see how things go with the nba and mlb to start.

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Today's news of cancelling non-conference is step 1 i believe.
next will be the news.. no fans or only very limited friends and family to attend. I would say that's step 2 and very likely to happen.
Last and hopefully not, would be the cancellation of the season...
Only other thing i can think of is pushing the start a month / shortening the season..

so much unknown.. and i think they want to see how things go with the nba and mlb to start.

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As I said earlier- my friend who works for the Pelicans said that they are playing come hell or high water. And MLB isn't just having these scrimmages to go through the motions.

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And I'll continue to preface this by saying I'm a conservative public school administrator.

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So you get to sit at home while your government guaranteed paycheck keeps rolling in. That may explain you perspective just a bit.

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So you get to sit at home while your government guaranteed paycheck keeps rolling in. That may explain you perspective just a bit.

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Yeah I've been working jackass. And I've been in the building. As a matter of fact two buildings since I got promoted during this. Nice try though. Just because school closes doesn't mean people stopped working, both from home and from school. I've been doing both this entire time. And that includes serving lunches to families at school during Covid while everyone else was at the house. I've been working at my new school outside of contract days so that we can get a handle on what's to come. I'll apologize for not working a couple weeks ago. My wife gave birth to our 3rd kid and I took off that week.

So next time you try and puff out your chest to try and prove a point and try to make yourself feel better by boxing someone into a corner, I would learn a little bit more about what the hell you are talking about first.

I think I see the problem here. There's too many people uneducated and not informed enough about what's actually going on and they are the ones screaming the loudest.

Vaccine is 5 to 10 years away.... the virus will have run its course before that.

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Yeah I've been working jackass. And I've been in the building. As a matter of fact two buildings since I got promoted during this. Nice try though. Just because school closes doesn't mean people stopped working, both from home and from school. I've been doing both this entire time. And that includes serving lunches to families at school during Covid while everyone else was at the house. I've been working at my new school outside of contract days so that we can get a handle on what's to come. I'll apologize for not working a couple weeks ago. My wife gave birth to our 3rd kid and I took off that week.

So next time you try and puff out your chest to try and prove a point and try to make yourself feel better by boxing someone into a corner, I would learn a little bit more about what the hell you are talking about first.

I think I see the problem here. There's too many people uneducated and not informed enough about what's actually going on and they are the ones screaming the loudest.

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None of this refutes my point that you are secure and getting paid during this ongoing economic collapse.

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None of this refutes my point that you are secure and getting paid during this ongoing economic collapse.

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That wasn't your point. You tried to say I wasn't working and got caught. Shame on you for trying to move the goal posts.

And tell me again what being able to work and receive my pay check has to do with anything I've said? Do you have to be in danger of being out of work to have thoughts on this topic? Or is it your opinion that it's easier for people to say things like I'm saying because I have a job in education, which means you mistakenly think I can't be fired from my job tomorrow if they want?

Government employees getting fired, lol.

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Government employees getting fired, lol.

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Yeah I'm done with this conversation with you. It's clear you are extremely ignorant on this topic and have no clue what the hell you are talking about and are having to hide because you got exposed.

I would check yourself before you start talking about things publicly you don't actually know anything about.

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Government employees getting fired, lol.

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I'm not going to speak for Met - but from the rest of us working in government - STFU.
I know plenty of local government and state government people who got furloughed or had "workforce reductions" as they like to call them. Anytime there is an economic downturn it happens.
School systems do it too.

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Vaccine is 5 to 10 years away.... the virus will have run its course before that.

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Source? Here are a few that say otherwise:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/maryl...ainst-covid-19
https://www.wsj.com/articles/german-...er-11594373400
https://komonews.com/news/coronaviru...eels-fantastic

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Yeah lung scarring doesn't just magically disappear. I would be pretty disappointed if I had to live with that the rest of my life. So I feel that's a pretty bad outcome no? At least I'm not dead!!

Again. Read the post. I didn't say anyone pressure anyone. The pressure is built in to the system of college football and if you've ever played or coached sports you would know that. Play or get cut/asked to leave at this level. Don't play and you are letting your team down or might get passed permanently on the depth chart. That has been built into sports forever.

I guess I'm just shocked honestly. I get it. Folks are inconvenienced being asked to wear masks. I'm a big fan of data too. Data says you can not have symptoms and still have the disease. You still thinking only about the players is the exact issue. If they go visit grandma during the week, or get it from someone in the dorm and pass it along to a coach that has an underlying medical issue, that's a problem. It's very short sighted to say the players are most likely not in danger so why is there an issue? Because they aren't the only ones affected. That's the part people refuse to wrap their minds around. It's not about you. It's about who else you might affect. That's a pretty simple concept.

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Name me one college football player that has been diagnosed with long term lung scarring. Just one. I can name you thousands who have died, suffered paralysis, cte, or chronic joint pain due to playing college football. Yet you are fine with playing in general In the face of those latter-described risks, but not ok playing while covid is around in the face of any covid-associated risks.

And I know first hand the pressure associated with college football. But that pressure, by definition, has to come from a source, either internal or external. It doesn't just magically occur. I'm not sure what you mean by it is "built into the system," but it has to have a source (i.e., internal, fans, coaches, family, media).

Finally, I do wear a mask, but I just think it is insulting to our players to say they aren't smart enough to make their own decisions. You think kylin is not smart enough not to go visit grandma on Wednesday, or that grandma isn't smart enough to say, no kylin you can't come visit (assuming that's what she wants). There are two issues here: is it, relative to normal circumstances, safe for the players' own health if they play? If yes, the second issue is whether you believe in personal accountability for them to act appropriately i.e., not force themselves to be around grandma against grandma's wishes. The first issue is data driven, the second is not.

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Very possible. But I hate to say this, and it will offend some people, but football isn't as important as the health and well being of a society. I know for some people they only live for football. Really bad way to live.

I get people love football. I love it too. Health of society is more important. There will always be folks willing to accept the risk. The question is are we able to mitigate the transmission to those who can't make that choice. Right now we can't. If it means no football one year, that sucks. But long term it's worth it.

And I hope folks don't start throwing out death statistics to justify themselves. There are still things that are really bad outcomes from this that aren't death and will be with you for the rest of your life. Saying "oh you most likely won't die from it" isn't exactly the comforting statement some think it is.

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I agree with you. However, we're going to forget about that in a couple of months when all this is over and a large majority of this state will go back to not working out, eating whatever they want, not caring about their health. If we TRULY care about the health of people then something needs to be done about that as well. And just like I believe should be done with this virus, it should be on that individual to take care of himself if he is able. Look I'm all for wanting to help and protect other people, but at a certain point you have to help and protect yourself. Relying on everyone else to do what's right in your eyes isn't the way to live. If you have to wear a mask when you go out, I respect that and I will do my best to stay more than 6 ft away from you. If you don't feel comfortable going out then I respect that decision you're making because you feel it's best for you. But you can't turn around get mad and b****and moan when someone is out living their life. They know the risk and they're taking it. And that's just my opinion.

Silly question but can NCST legally just cancel our game?

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Silly question but can NCST legally just cancel our game?

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Depends on the terms of the contract.

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Silly question but can NCST legally just cancel our game?

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On SEC Radio they were talking about teams needing the money to keep their ADs going. That's why they schedule these games. It could get ugly.

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Name me one college football player that has been diagnosed with long term lung scarring. Just one. I can name you thousands who have died, suffered paralysis, cte, or chronic joint pain due to playing college football. Yet you are fine with playing in general In the face of those latter-described risks, but not ok playing while covid is around in the face of any covid-associated risks.

And I know first hand the pressure associated with college football. But that pressure, by definition, has to come from a source, either internal or external. It doesn't just magically occur. I'm not sure what you mean by it is "built into the system," but it has to have a source (i.e., internal, fans, coaches, family, media).

Finally, I do wear a mask, but I just think it is insulting to our players to say they aren't smart enough to make their own decisions. You think kylin is not smart enough not to go visit grandma on Wednesday, or that grandma isn't smart enough to say, no kylin you can't come visit (assuming that's what she wants). There are two issues here: is it, relative to normal circumstances, safe for the players' own health if they play? If yes, the second issue is whether you believe in personal accountability for them to act appropriately i.e., not force themselves to be around grandma against grandma's wishes. The first issue is data driven, the second is not.

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You tell me? Just take a look at society right now. People literally are NOT making those choices to stay home and protect others on a regular basis. So you can act holier then thou like you are standing up for our players. But if you look at how many kids their age are making poor choices, that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. The number of positive cases in the millennial group is blowing up. And if you just blanket trust them all to make the correct decision, then again, you are living in a fairy land that doesn't exist. Adults can't do it. I have nothing against our football players. But it's clear that people aren't doing what's best for others. I hate government interference. But people doing stupid shit is why they interject themselves and gain headway. There's a lot of people that don't know a damn thing about this virus. So personal choice has to be measured against information regarding things people don't know.

It's obvious you won't change your mind and neither will I. Obviously I was wrong in that every football player on every team should be trusted to make the correct societal choices regarding this virus. And the facts prove that because I've never once seen a college football player or any other college kid act irresponsibly. They all always 100% of the time make the correct decision based on the available information. So I just need to trust them more than regardless of this virus, not only will they not catch it, but there's no way for them to pass it to anyone else.

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You tell me? Just take a look at society right now. People literally are NOT making those choices to stay home and protect others on a regular basis. So you can act holier then thou like you are standing up for our players. But if you look at how many kids their age are making poor choices, that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. The number of positive cases in the millennial group is blowing up. And if you just blanket trust them all to make the correct decision, then again, you are living in a fairy land that doesn't exist.

It's obvious you won't change your mind and neither will I. Obviously I was wrong in that every football player on every team should be trusted to make the correct societal choices regarding this virus. And the facts prove that because I've never once seen a college football player or any other college kid act irresponsibly. They all always 100% of the time make the correct decision based on the information. So I just need to trust them more than regardless of this virus, not only will they not catch it, but there's no way for them to pass it to anyone else.

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They are to be trusted, unless it is to take an online Chem. test without cheating... At which point, all bets are off...***

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You tell me? Just take a look at society right now. People literally are NOT making those choices to stay home and protect others on a regular basis. So you can act holier then thou like you are standing up for our players. But if you look at how many kids their age are making poor choices, that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. The number of positive cases in the millennial group is blowing up. And if you just blanket trust them all to make the correct decision, then again, you are living in a fairy land that doesn't exist. Adults can't do it. I have nothing against our football players. But it's clear that people aren't doing what's best for others. I hate government interference. But people doing stupid shit is why they interject themselves and gain headway. There's a lot of people that don't know a damn thing about this virus. So personal choice has to be measured against information regarding things people don't know.

It's obvious you won't change your mind and neither will I. Obviously I was wrong in that every football player on every team should be trusted to make the correct societal choices regarding this virus. And the facts prove that because I've never once seen a college football player or any other college kid act irresponsibly. They all always 100% of the time make the correct decision based on the available information. So I just need to trust them more than regardless of this virus, not only will they not catch it, but there's no way for them to pass it to anyone else.

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The question is not whether you (or sankey) trust them to stay away from grandma and trust grandma to stay away from them. The question is whether you believe in the idea of personal accountability so as to allow them and grandma to make that decision.

Based on your logic (we can't trust people 18-22 to social distance/wear masks so we should not play football), then we also should not have on campus classes, attend in person class in elementary and high schoola, or play high school football.

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The question is not whether you (or sankey) trust them to stay away from grandma and trust grandma to stay away from them. The question is whether you believe in the idea of personal accountability so as to allow them and grandma to make that decision.

Based on your logic (we can't trust people 18-22 to social distance/wear masks so we should not play football), then we also should not have on campus classes, attend in person class in elementary and high schoola, or play high school football.

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The question is not whether you (or sankey) trust them to stay away from grandma and trust grandma to stay away from them. The question is whether you believe in the idea of personal accountability so as to allow them and grandma to make that decision.

Based on your logic (we can't trust people 18-22 to social distance/wear masks so we should not play football), then we also should not have on campus classes, attend in person class in elementary and high schoola, or play high school football.

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And guess what? I 100% agree that all of those things in your last paragraph should be canceled for the time being. As someone having to plan for the return of kids to school, I am extremely concerned about the prospect of me having to manage 1,000 middle schoolers in a building built for 800 and with double digit number of trailers. We should be online completely. The kids in the building for the most part would be fine if they did get it. For the most part. There's still risk for them if they have an undiagnosed underlying illness which isn't uncommon. But we are putting teachers at risk by making them be in that environment.

I'm also my church council chairperson and on our church reopening committee and guess what? My recommendation and the team's recommendation is to continue online worship with return to worship in the building not something we see in the foreseeable future. So yes you've have everything correct by that logic because it is, in fact, logical to not have those things right now.

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The question is not whether you (or sankey) trust them to stay away from grandma and trust grandma to stay away from them. The question is whether you believe in the idea of personal accountability so as to allow them and grandma to make that decision.

Based on your logic (we can't trust people 18-22 to social distance/wear masks so we should not play football), then we also should not have on campus classes, attend in person class in elementary and high schoola, or play high school football.

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To add to all of this, the players that have tested positive at universities didn't get it at school, they got it from home or wherever they were before they reported.... it's not like they are in more danger here than at home. That's pretty clear.

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And guess what? I 100% agree that all of those things in your last paragraph should be canceled for the time being. As someone having to plan for the return of kids to school, I am extremely concerned about the prospect of me having to manage 1,000 middle schoolers in a building built for 800 and with double digit number of trailers. We should be online completely. The kids in the building for the most part would be fine if they did get it. For the most part. There's still risk for them if they have an undiagnosed underlying illness which isn't uncommon. But we are putting teachers at risk by making them be in that environment.

I'm also my church council chairperson and on our church reopening committee and guess what? My recommendation and the team's recommendation is to continue online worship with return to worship in the building not something we see in the foreseeable future. So yes you've have everything correct by that logic because it is, in fact, logical to not have those things right now.

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Interesting. So your primary concern with respect to the virus is about teacher exposure, but kids for the most part will be fine. I don't mean this harsh (I'm sure you care about your students), but why are you in favor of doing what is best for the teachers instead of what is best for the students? Everything I've read, including from the teacher union in Nashville, acknowledge that is better for kids to attend school in person. And 67k pediatricians are on record as saying kids should be in school now.

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Interesting. So your primary concern with respect to the virus is about teacher exposure, but kids for the most part will be fine. I don't mean this harsh (I'm sure you care about your students), but why are you in favor of doing what is best for the teachers instead of what is best for the students? Everything I've read, including from the teacher union in Nashville, acknowledge that is better for kids to attend school in person. And 67k pediatricians are on record as saying kids should be in school now.

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I realize internet arguments are not supposed to ever be resolved, but what kind of answer are you expecting for that question? Its not as simple as its better for kids to be in school, but if the teachers die, too bad right?

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I agree with you. However, we're going to forget about that in a couple of months when all this is over and a large majority of this state will go back to not working out, eating whatever they want, not caring about their health. If we TRULY care about the health of people then something needs to be done about that as well. And just like I believe should be done with this virus, it should be on that individual to take care of himself if he is able. Look I'm all for wanting to help and protect other people, but at a certain point you have to help and protect yourself. Relying on everyone else to do what's right in your eyes isn't the way to live. If you have to wear a mask when you go out, I respect that and I will do my best to stay more than 6 ft away from you. If you don't feel comfortable going out then I respect that decision you're making because you feel it's best for you. But you can't turn around get mad and b****and moan when someone is out living their life. They know the risk and they're taking it. And that's just my opinion.

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The issue is you living out your opinion is why we cannot open our economy back up, why we will have to do remote schools, and why we will not have sports this fall.

We need 90% of the population wearing a mask, social distancing and using good hygiene.

If we don't we will continue to overload our hospital capacity.

Those are the facts. Not my opinion. The facts.

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I realize internet arguments are not supposed to ever be resolved, but what kind of answer are you expecting for that question? Its not as simple as its better for kids to be in school, but if the teachers die, too bad right?

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An explanation as to why, on balance, it is more important to do what is best for teachers than do what is best for students.

Of course not. Teachers who are vulnerable shouldn't be there. Teachers should wear masks, or shields, and students (above second grade or so) should wear masks. There should be very limited interaction by teachers within 6 feet of students. Put smart measures in place, Like every other person who goes to work.

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Interesting. So your primary concern with respect to the virus is about teacher exposure, but kids for the most part will be fine. I don't mean this harsh (I'm sure you care about your students), but why are you in favor of doing what is best for the teachers instead of what is best for the students? Everything I've read, including from the teacher union in Nashville, acknowledge that is better for kids to attend school in person. And 67k pediatricians are on record as saying kids should be in school now.

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Nashville just made the statement that they are starting online and will reassess about entering the building for Labor Day. So....are you sure that's the route you want to go? Because Nashville apparently feels it's not safe for students or teachers to be in the buildings. Is it better? Of course. Is it SAFER???? Right now the answer is no. Which is why Nashville schools just made the decision they did.

And obviously it looks like you just want to argue. Never said it was safe for kids. And I specifically said we shouldn't have school because it's not. But it's clear you don't want I have a discussion. You are out trying to make people like me look like bad people. I very clearly said there's still a risk to them. Very clearly. But you are cherry picking phrases and statements. The very data you said we should be using even says the adult teachers would be more at risk. So either you use the data you asked me to use or get the hell off your high horse and understand you don't know shit about what you are talking about.

It's very clear you are talking in circles to waste mine and others time. You, again, very clearly, don't want to use the very data you say we should use to understand the context of what I said (even though I very clearly said kids were still at risk). But keep cherry picking your data and your phrases to get them to say what you want them to say to make yourself feel better.