So don't call anyone a snowflake, I didn't make a comment directly to you until you didn't like me agreeing with Ari comments. Actually I could care less what you think and for the most part what others think. That's why I stay away from the virus conversations and the political conversations for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
If you don't like the way your shirt fits, change something.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
BingoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Kaepernick doesn't want a job. Try again. The Patriots offered him the same deal as Cam Newton and he wanted 20 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Not sure about the seriousness of that Pat's deal. I do know he didn't want to be a backup, despite the fact that's exactly what he was prior to him protesting. Even as a starter, he was never that good, and if he was, he'd still be playing. The nfl will tolerate just about anything for a quality QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
A backup? Not so much.
It's like you attack the example but ignore the obvious point of the post that Mr. Ari Tungsten decided that only his group was persecuted. They didn't even have anything bad happen to them other than getting the freebie to walk back their idiotic comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Michael Sam went from SECDPOY to not a snap in the regular season of NFL. Eric Reid had to have a team be desperate for a safety for a job. But only white men with shit opinions are persecuted.
Sam is not a good example. He couldn?t play in the league. He was too small for DE and could only play on one side as an end and didn?t have the speed to play Outside LB. He was one of several 7th rounders that were cut that rookie season, only 22 of the 41 7th rounders that year made the final cuts for their team. Rams kept a player with nearly the same stats but could play multiple DL positions. Dallas signed him to practice squad but that pretty much ended his NFL career. His combine numbers hurt his stock a good bit. The best after the combine he was looking at 5th- 6th round tops. Prior to the combine, he was rated as a possible 3rd - 4th rounder. He wasn?t great at the Senior Bowl either. He had a great year at Mizzou but it was not sustainable in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I attacked the example where you were clearly wrong. And nothing you say is going to change that. Actually I could and should have pointed out that Kaepernick has actually been given offers a number of times but each time he has turned it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
And Michael Sam? You might want to look up Dave Kopay and Esera Tuaolo before you go that route. Or the little known fact that Vince Lombardi- yes, that Vince Lombardi had a brother who was gay and told his coaches in the 1960's that he would fire them if he heard them utter any gay slur.
See there is this little thing in sports where you have to actually PERFORM to play. And if you suck it doesn't matter if you are Billy Graham or if you are RuPaul they're not going to offer you. If they offer you a job like they did Kaeprnick and the player turns it down- that's not the NFL's problem either. They'll go sign someone else that wants to play in the NFL while little sheep like you buy their activist bullshit and talk about how bad off they are while they just signed a contract with Disney.
So neither of you went for Eric Reid.
I'll just consider that an argument won and you two can't see past what happened that the NFL players couldn't tolerate an openly gay player in the locker room at that point.
How many SEC DPOY never played a down in the NFL? Really just a coincidence that the one that didnt is gay and somehow once he's out is not suitable for the NFL? Plenty of players have had bad workouts and still gotten a chance in game.
But again, the point stands that all 3 that I mentioned had a significantly more difficult time in their respective field than the two Ari Iron mentioned. But it's totally one-sided against bigoted idiots.
You didn’t win anything, Michael Sam was a poor example, you lost that. No matter how many times you declare yourself a winner of something, it just means the delusion of your opinion is higher than others, narcissistic mindset with false objectivity. You are letting your blind agenda distort the fact he couldn’t play in the league. Period. Gay or not gay he was not good enough. Had absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality, and you think the league didn’t know about him before he came out openly to the media? We was already out 6 months before the interview because he told his teammates. The SEC knew and still selected him SEC DPOY. The league still drafted him. BTW depending on the pundit, there were players rated ahead of Sam not even drafted. It’s subjective but he along with half of the other 7th rounders were not good enough. But you are not champion those players since they don’t fit your false argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I didn’t address the other players because it’s that’s separate issues altogether. Sam just flat could not play and he got the same opportunity that 20 other 7th rounders got who were ultimately cut as well.
Sports: I can't wait to see what Mike Leach does in 2021 when college football returns.
Go...
All of this proves one thing... You are part of the problem... a huge part of the problem..Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Banning black people from baseball in the early days? Political.
Jackie Robinson's debut? Political.
MSU vs. Loyola's Game of Change? Political.
Miracle on Ice? Political.
The United States boycotting the 1980 Olympics? Political.
Bubba Wallace adding Black Lives Matter to his car? Political.
Ole Miss's entire history: Dixie, Confederate Flags at games, Colonel Reb, the Rebels name? All political.
Numerous athletes protesting the Vietnam war during the national anthem? Political.
Numerous athletes protesting for black lives during the national anthem? Also political!
The national anthem before games at all? F22 flyovers before games? Refusing to fly the Mississippi flag at sporting events? Making kids say the pledge of allegiance every day? Political.
Sports--and indeed, our entire lives--are filled with politics everywhere you look. And always have been. Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't change that fact. You don't get to tell athletes to "shut up and dribble" any more than they get to tell you to "shut up and watch."
Many of you are mentioning how you're slowly drifting away from watching sports because politics you disagree with make you uncomfortable. That you're finding new hobbies. That's good! You should take care of your mental health and create whatever spaces you need to feel better. You don't have a constitutional right to watch sports without politics. But you do have a right to not watch sports at all!
In short: if you are complaining about black lives matter politics in sports right now, but you didn't say a squeak about any of the things above, you're a hypocrite. You don't get to pick and choose which politics you think are acceptable in sports.
This should be on a bumper sticker, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by bostondawg
An excellent post.Quote:
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I am an old white man.
We all have our inbred faults to overcome and with the help of God may it be so!
That your poor wittle feel good it's ok to be kkk tv station being attacked is the biggest injustice in your life and the only problem you have to deal with? Oh what a ****ing life you have there Ari Lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
OK. Well, I'll address it. The FACT that he protested with Kaepernick and still played in the NFL after the protest and signed a deal with the Panthers worth 22 million makes you even more wrong about Kaepernick.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Any other red herrings that you would like for me to address like I did with the gay player issue that you apparently completely glossed over that also proved you completely wrong? I mean when Vince ****ing Lombardi says that it isn't OK to discriminate against gay people I don't know what else you want.
The only thing that's obvious is that you are going continue to be a beta male that bitches just to bitch and can't see the facts through your tears.
This is spot on. He could have protested just about anything and he’d be in the NFL if he was good enough. He was actually smart enough to realize that making himself out to be a martyr was an easier path to a big payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
YEP. See Eric Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Some people conveniently forget the fact that you have to actually be good enough to play. Or in Kaepernick's case- want to play.
Let me reset this argument for you because you're clearly missing the point.
Reid / Sam / Kaep are proof that it is not one sided. (The original point that Ari Nickel made.) Not that they are absolutely TOTALLY persecuted out of the league. Just that they are persecuted as well. And worse than Drew ScAmway promoter Brees and Mike O i Aint kNow they were racist Gundy have been.
You're missing the whole argument and attaching yourself to something you clearly didn't understand from the start because you're not even fighting that point. That's what the argument was about.
Sam is proof he couldn’t play in the league, his sexuality is completely irrelevant and continuing to use him for your argument is a false cause fallacy. He was just not good enough, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Spot on here. Just one example and there are many, many others: Lawrence Phillips got about a gazillion chances in the nfl even though he was a complete psychopath, because he was talented. NFL tends to look the other way on just about anything as long as you're talented. Once you can't produce though you're done period.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Damnit.. i enjoy a weekend away from here drinking bourbon and eating damn good food... and have to come back to yalls crap...Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Ok.. explain this comment, did i miss a post from Ari or are you just being hateful?
Ari said that it's one-sided that an OAN supporter got persecuted. I provided counter examples where that clearly is false. I'm now the problem with America. OAN is literally Fox News but for people who don't mind being associated with KKK. But I'm the problem with America.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Again if you believe he played not one snap in the NFL because of talent even though he won SECDPOY, then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I really don't understand why you are dying on this hill on an SEC team's board. Are you saying we don't put out good defensive players? I mean lol. No one gave him a snap? Take away his sexuality and ask yourself how absurd that would sound to you.
But beyond that you didn't reset to what the argument was.
Please explain the KKK connection... that's a strong statement..Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
He absolutely didn’t play because he was not good enough for the NFL. He was an anomaly when he won the DPOY the year. Nothing prior to his senior year lead you to believe he was going to be DPOY. He was a one hit wonder, had one great year. Good for him but that was it. He was way undersized for the NFL at DE, weak for a DL with his combine reps, and not close to fast enough to play OLB. He dropped considerably prior to the draft because of his poor showing at the combine And his size. He was not good enough and after his rookie year he was invited to the NFL free agents combine in which he was even worse than his first combine coming out of college.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
You can continue to spew this fallacy to attempt to further your talking points but it has no fact behind it. Heck the man couldn’t even make past 1 year in the CFL but you ignorantly believe he was not given a fair shake by the NFL? I guess as DPOY he should have been selected over Clowney in 2014 with you arguments...they came out the same year. There were 22 DE’s selected in 2014 and he was rated around 20th, so he was drafted where he should have been. There were 22 of the 41 7th rounders who made the final cuts, so him being cut was more than in line with where he was selected. The player that was kept had almost identical stats but could play multiple DL positions and played in the league for 5-6 years. It’s just absurd noise and as poor of an example you could have chosen.
The rest of your response is just hyperbole, where did I try to reset the argument? That’s an absurd statement, my argument has and continues to be that you used a fallacy cause for your argument. It’s a piss poor attempt of an example. Period. That’s all my point was about. You are so blinded by your agenda, where you could have literally stayed talking about Kap and Reid and had a much much better argument but you throw in a make believe story when it’s factually wrong. His sexuality had nothing to do with it, there have been and are known gay players in the NFL for decades. Just because they didn’t come out publicly or to the media or even the majority of their teammates, doesn’t mean executives and players didn’t know. He was cut because he was not good enough for the NFL. Period. Believe whatever you want in you fairy tale head but know it’s a false argument.
Guys .... I blocked this guy a while back and yall keep quoting him ... if you can find it in your hearts when responding to him to not quote him - I myself and no telling how many others would appreciate it
thanks
ETA - speaking about Dan
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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
THIS x1000.
He'll have no problem finding your post so he can be outraged and try to explain how you are just simply wrong and stupid and how you are IN FACT the problem with the world.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Scooba do the right thing, the vast majority (and it's not even close) are waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Btw, even thou there isn't much sports going on, I wish the virus post and any politics post would be moved. It's pretty old reading the same old comments. Heck you guys have an Outdoor page which I like, so make changes, asking for a friend***,
many friends!
If he gets the boot will he be getting persecuted because he’s a socialist or because he’s gay?Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
I bet you had never heard of OAN until Gundy wore a T Shirt fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
Ditto! I blocked this guy a while back also!Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
IFFY***Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
I'm one of those who are waiting ... he brings nothing to the board but turmoilQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
MObile or jackson? I mean I'd have to sell my trailer to make it that far.....or get rid of the outhouse....... what a prick......Quote:
Originally Posted by dantheman4248
I'm giving him a chance to explain himself...
I'm the troll he spoke about. Yes, I argued with him and I was banned for a week. But he just wouldn't stop and I took offense and let my emotions get the better of me. I do read his drivel but try not to respond anymore to him. For the record I'm not a troll I just wanted to discuss my points.
I would like to know the connection as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
And for the record I only Watch OAN for Chanel Rion... I guess someone might should tell her that a half Korean lady shouldn’t be working for a KKK station..
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Well played...
I only dream about one day maybe getting to visit Mobile or New Orleans... if I could only get my 1975 Winnebago up and running again..