Coach34 and others

This is what I'm hearing in Jones county. Schools may not open here until September and the first semester will finish at Thanksgiving and spring semester will start in January. This is tenative but looks like what's going to happen here.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There were school districts that took the grades at the time students were ordered to stay at home for the remainder of the year. Nothing was required and in some cases, no or very little additional work was assigned. Not just very small schools either. I know a 4A school that sent kids home and the students did nothing the rest of the year.

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That is basically what Rankin County did. If the kid did nothing at all their grades after three 9 weeks was their final grade. If they made an effort and did most of the distance learning assignments they were able to raise that grade a few points. Again, it was glorified busy work. There wasnt much LEARNING going on.

And with teachers out until August 1, there is no way public school districts are going to be able to offer anything more substantial than what they did before. Kids need the presence of a teacher and hands on learning that they will never get over the computer with worksheets and busy reading assignments.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

It happened in all the Jones County schools. West Jones is 5A and it happened here.

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There you go. We have to find a way for students to learn and not get further behind.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

There you go. We have to find a way for students to learn and not get further behind.

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Absolutely 100%!

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Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman

Honest question here: The canton school district has said they plan to go to school 3 days and do distance learning 2. Who keeps the kids the other 2 days when parents work? Will it be grandparents who are at risk of disease and now have to be around grandkids? Would going to school every other day really stop the spread? Am I missing the logic here?

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Well, you have to remember how affluent Canton is. They probably have super competent public employees in general and of course the vast majority of the students will have one or two parents at home that are capable of and willing to take on the role of home school teacher.**

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Most of Mississippi cannot "distance learn". Most schools have over 50% of students that have no way to distance learn because they dont have internet at home or a device to do their work on. I had about 75 students this Spring at Quitman in my 3 classes- less than 10 completed their "distance learning" assignments.

Distance learning is not feasible in the state of Mississippi outside of your suburbs. Parents have nobody to watch their kids while they work. They have to have kids go to school. School is the only way about 20% are able to eat regularly. School is happening this Fall.

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You know shit has gotten insanely politicized when Coach34 is the voice of reason and is not trying to stir shit up and create controversy.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

You know shit has gotten insanely politicized when Coach34 is the voice of reason and is not trying to stir shit up and create controversy.

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Well said..

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Originally Posted by Mobile Bay

Heck no. I say they should go back to two a day practices in August like I went through. Made me a better man

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I went through Airborne school in August, Back when it was hard, and Ft Benning is a frying pan at that time of the year. Wouldn't have made it if I hadn't been conditioned by 2 a days. Nothing like nice 5 mile runs on a nice hot humid august morning.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

This is what I'm hearing in Jones county. Schools may not open here until September and the first semester will finish at Thanksgiving and spring semester will start in January. This is tenative but looks like what's going to happen here.

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As a teacher that loves to hunt this plan sounds great!!

But since I have an upcoming first grader I want her in school. She needs it. And TBH the students I would have need it.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

A virus that has virtually zero chance of killing anyone that is playing football will not determine whether or not we have football. People trying to politicize it will determine that, but it will have zero to do with the safety of anyone playing and 100 % to do with how they can spin this politically. The southeast will play football because the governors of those states will have zero chance of getting reelected if they try to push that horse shit down their citizens' throats. Any coach or at risk person can decide on their own whether or not they need to be in a locker room environment that increases their risk of catching COVID. If they decide not to coach, there will be plenty of people willing to take their job, just like there are plenty of people willing to take jobs at every single company in America right now.

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This post is not going to age well.

People aren't worried about catching it. We're worried about spreading. Taking 1 kid and giving it to 80 is spreading it.

Death doesn't matter. ICU bed space, hospital space, ventilators and PPE matter. If we reach capacity, or threaten capacity, football season will be doomed. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the health effects on football players, but I can't almost guarantee you with 100% certainty that a football player will die this year due to COVID related complications if we play a full season. In fact, it will be multiple players. The pediatric inflammatory related illnesses stemming from COVID that impacts kids is rare, but it's very deadly. Percentage wise, some will get it and die just like in NYC.

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

As a teacher that loves to hunt this plan sounds great!!

But since I have an upcoming first grader I want her in school. She needs it. And TBH the students I would have need it.

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I agree wholeheartedly. They need to be in school.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

This post is not going to age well.

People aren't worried about catching it. We're worried about spreading. Taking 1 kid and giving it to 80 is spreading it.

Death doesn't matter. ICU bed space, hospital space, ventilators and PPE matter. If we reach capacity, or threaten capacity, football season will be doomed. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the health effects on football players, but I can't almost guarantee you with 100% certainty that a football player will die this year due to COVID related complications if we play a full season. In fact, it will be multiple players. The pediatric inflammatory related illnesses stemming from COVID that impacts kids is rare, but it's very deadly. Percentage wise, some will get it and die just like in NYC.

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It will be a near miracle (in a bad way) if any players die from COVID. The only people that anyone should worry about spreading it to is the older / at risk crowd, and the average age of infection has dropped about 20 years. Every single thing going on right now SCREAMS that things are getting much much better but we have some people with some really bad motives spreading some really bad fear mongering garbage. Deaths don’t matter ? For 4 months all anyone heard was how high the death rate was. Now that more testing has occurred and the death rate is plummeting, deaths no longer matter.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

It will be a near miracle (in a bad way) if any players die from COVID. The only people that anyone should worry about spreading it to is the older / at risk crowd, and the average age of infection has dropped about 20 years. Every single thing going on right now SCREAMS that things are getting much much better but we have some people with some really bad motives spreading some really bad fear mongering garbage. Deaths don’t matter ? For 4 months all anyone heard was how high the death rate was. Now that more testing has occurred and the death rate is plummeting, deaths no longer matter.

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Not sure about that. Mississippi has had 7 fatalities between 18 and 29, out of 5,848 confirmed cases. That works out to about .12% cfr. It's probably pretty safe to cut that in half, so let's say .06% ifr for that age group. Say there are roughly 11,050 FBS scholarship athletes, that'd mean you'd expect about 6.63 deaths acorss all 11,050 athletes. Of course, that's 18-29 year olds, not 18-23 year olds, so maybe 18-23 year olds will have an even lower IFR. That's also Mississippi numbers, and we obviously have a lot of poor and obese people among 18-29 year olds and other health conditions, so it may be that the IFR for healthy 18-23 year olds is more like .00006%. But it seems likely that somebody out of those 11,050 players, even though they are athletes, probably have a significant undetected health issue that puts them at risk, and some of them may seriously struggle. Maybe it's just a true freshman that's really not all that athletic or in good shape, but was freaking huge so a bad team with poor recruiting just took a flyer on him. And that 11,050 is just scholarship athletes, so the total number is presumably a good bit higher.

Not saying we shouldn't have football because of that. We should have football; it's still a very low risk. But I wouldn't want people to be shocked when a football player dies. With big numbres, there are going to be people that die of any number of low probability risks. And those numbers are just for FBS. I'm assuming other divisions will be much less likely to play b/c it's not profitable for them to begin with, but if they play, that will be a lot more than 11,050.

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Not sure about that. Mississippi has had 7 fatalities between 18 and 29, out of 5,848 confirmed cases. That works out to about .12% cfr. It's probably pretty safe to cut that in half, so let's say .06% ifr for that age group. Say there are roughly 11,050 FBS scholarship athletes, that'd mean you'd expect about 6.63 deaths acorss all 11,050 athletes. Of course, that's 18-29 year olds, not 18-23 year olds, so maybe 18-23 year olds will have an even lower IFR. That's also Mississippi numbers, and we obviously have a lot of poor and obese people among 18-29 year olds and other health conditions, so it may be that the IFR for healthy 18-23 year olds is more like .00006%. But it seems likely that somebody out of those 11,050 players, even though they are athletes, probably have a significant undetected health issue that puts them at risk, and some of them may seriously struggle. Maybe it's just a true freshman that's really not all that athletic or in good shape, but was freaking huge so a bad team with poor recruiting just took a flyer on him. And that 11,050 is just scholarship athletes, so the total number is presumably a good bit higher.

Not saying we shouldn't have football because of that. We should have football; it's still a very low risk. But I wouldn't want people to be shocked when a football player dies. With big numbres, there are going to be people that die of any number of low probability risks. And those numbers are just for FBS. I'm assuming other divisions will be much less likely to play b/c it's not profitable for them to begin with, but if they play, that will be a lot more than 11,050.

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A football player has a bigger chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to practice than dying of COVID. Not having football because of player safety concerns is just completely stupid. There is no other way to spin it. Acceptable risk is a term people need to come to terms with.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

A football player has a bigger chance of dying in a car wreck on the way to practice than dying of COVID. Not having football because of player safety concerns is just completely stupid. There is no other way to spin it. Acceptable risk is a term people need to come to terms with.

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That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

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If a player feels unsafe then sit it out. Problem solved.

And I can tell you the statistics of high school football players that are African American that I have seen in the hospital on a vent- 0%. And I've got a pretty good sample size.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

If a player feels unsafe then sit it out. Problem solved.

And I can tell you the statistics of high school football players that are African American that I have seen in the hospital on a vent- 0%. And I've got a pretty good sample size.

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It's not like they can't catch it from being away from school either.......

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

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Prove how that is statistically incorrect. How many college football players have died from covid vs car wrecks?

School is happening
Football should be happening

Trump was proven right about Hydroxy and the media lied to kill people

Everything going on is about the 2020 election. It?s the most important election in this country?s history. If Bill Barr is allowed to finish his job- it will be the end of the Democratic Party. And they know it

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School is happening
Football should be happening

Trump was proven right about Hydroxy and the media lied to kill people

Everything going on is about the 2020 election. It?s the most important election in this country?s history. If Bill Barr is allowed to finish his job- it will be the end of the Democratic Party. And they know it

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Yep!

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

It's not like they can't catch it from being away from school either.......

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Very true.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

That's statistically incorrect, but I think you were just throwing out a risk and suggesting they could easily die in other ways too. Which is correct. But COVID is disproportionately impacting African Americans, which also represents a large percentage of football players. It is a player safety issue. It's not the only player safety issue. But it's certainly a player safety issue.

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No one is forcing anyone to play football. Anyone that feels unsafe doesn’t have to play. If football players didn’t play football for every health risk (to their age group) to something like COVID then they would have quit long ago, because it simply isn’t a real health risk to almost anyone in their age bracket. The CDC Came out the other day with a study that estimates that 20 million people in the US have already had COVID. If that is actually correct my car wreck analogy is correct. Even if they aren’t the point remains.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-at-highest-ri

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Originally Posted by Jarius

No one is forcing anyone to play football. Anyone that feels unsafe doesn’t have to play. If football players didn’t play football for every health risk (to their age group) to something like COVID then they would have quit long ago, because it simply isn’t a real health risk to almost anyone in their age bracket. The CDC Came out the other day with a study that estimates that 20 million people in the US have already had COVID. If that is actually correct my car wreck analogy is correct. Even if they aren’t the point remains.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-at-highest-ri

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I agree the point generally remains regardless of what the data show. Life/death risks is low to football players and you're right that they knowingly assume the risks. HOWEVER It's another variable on top of a sport that's already riddled by significant risks. Numbers are down everywhere in youth football, which is to be expected, especially right now.

But again, life/death isn't the issue here. It's hospital bed space and ICU bed space. Nobody has clearly communicated that to the American people. Nobody has a "shared goal" in any of this. Every TV station is reporting numbers. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE IT. It only matters how many people we can effectively treat at a given time. Monitor that. Measure it. Report it. And dictate social distancing and mask MANDATES based on that.

There is a game plan to manage this. It was created under Obama and why it was rejected on its face (in my opinion). There is a 17 page classified CDC response plan specific to this pandemic that was thrown out the window too.

Had we followed any of these guidelines everyone would know when we open, when we close, and how close we are to opening and closing at any given moment. Instead we just fly by the seat of our pants and wing it. So... we'll see what happens to football in the short term, but long term the hospitals are going to become incapacitated and we will have to shut down again. Again, just my opinion, but this is the biggest failure of leadership in the history of the United States.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I agree the point generally remains regardless of what the data show. Life/death risks is low to football players and you're right that they knowingly assume the risks. HOWEVER It's another variable on top of a sport that's already riddled by significant risks. Numbers are down everywhere in youth football, which is to be expected, especially right now.

But again, life/death isn't the issue here. It's hospital bed space and ICU bed space. Nobody has clearly communicated that to the American people. Nobody has a "shared goal" in any of this. Every TV station is reporting numbers. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE IT. It only matters how many people we can effectively treat at a given time. Monitor that. Measure it. Report it. And dictate social distancing and mask MANDATES based on that.

There is a game plan to manage this. It was created under Obama and why it was rejected on its face (in my opinion). There is a 17 page classified CDC response plan specific to this pandemic that was thrown out the window too.

Had we followed any of these guidelines everyone would know when we open, when we close, and how close we are to opening and closing at any given moment. Instead we just fly by the seat of our pants and wing it. So... we'll see what happens to football in the short term, but long term the hospitals are going to become incapacitated and we will have to shut down again. Again, just my opinion, but this is the biggest failure of leadership in the history of the United States.

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Hospitals are not going to become incapacitated so long as the average age of the infected remains where it is. Hospitalizations have risen in part to allowing more patients and the ones who are coming in for covid aren’t staying as long because younger people don’t take as long to get over this virus. If the infection age starts rising then we will have a concern. As of right now things are going about as well as possible throughout the country with the exception of a few places and the media is acting like the exact opposite is happening. Cases going up and deaths going down for 10 straight weeks is an outstanding trend and what everyone should be talking about, but it doesn’t fit the narrative.

Arizona is about to tap out.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Hospitals are not going to become incapacitated so long as the average age of the infected remains where it is. Hospitalizations have risen in part to allowing more patients and the ones who are coming in for covid aren’t staying as long because younger people don’t take as long to get over this virus. If the infection age starts rising then we will have a concern. As of right now things are going about as well as possible throughout the country with the exception of a few places and the media is acting like the exact opposite is happening. Cases going up and deaths going down for 10 straight weeks is an outstanding trend and what everyone should be talking about, but it doesn’t fit the narrative.

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The fact that you wrote this while states are closing down again says enough. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

The fact that you wrote this while states are closing down again says enough. Carry on.

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The fact that you are choosing to look at a minuscule amount of states closing down while ignoring the vast majority that are not says enough. The overwhelming majority of the country is absolutely fine with bed space. But what would I know about bed space? I only managed it for the entire CENTCOM AOR for a year. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I agree the point generally remains regardless of what the data show. Life/death risks is low to football players and you're right that they knowingly assume the risks. HOWEVER It's another variable on top of a sport that's already riddled by significant risks. Numbers are down everywhere in youth football, which is to be expected, especially right now.

But again, life/death isn't the issue here. It's hospital bed space and ICU bed space. Nobody has clearly communicated that to the American people. Nobody has a "shared goal" in any of this. Every TV station is reporting numbers. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE IT. It only matters how many people we can effectively treat at a given time. Monitor that. Measure it. Report it. And dictate social distancing and mask MANDATES based on that.

There is a game plan to manage this. It was created under Obama and why it was rejected on its face (in my opinion). There is a 17 page classified CDC response plan specific to this pandemic that was thrown out the window too.

Had we followed any of these guidelines everyone would know when we open, when we close, and how close we are to opening and closing at any given moment. Instead we just fly by the seat of our pants and wing it. So... we'll see what happens to football in the short term, but long term the hospitals are going to become incapacitated and we will have to shut down again. Again, just my opinion, but this is the biggest failure of leadership in the history of the United States.

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Not every state has as good a set of public stats as Mississippi. However, in Mississippi, ICU occupancy has been relatively flat for 6 weeks in the 145 to 168 range. Two months ago, we had occupancy of 240 or more. So the curve in Mississippi is not only flattened, but there is ample room for a spike.

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Not every state has as good a set of public stats as Mississippi. However, in Mississippi, ICU occupancy has been relatively flat for 6 weeks in the 145 to 168 range. Two months ago, we had occupancy of 240 or more. So the curve in Mississippi is not only flattened, but there is ample room for a spike.

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Then keep playing ball. Not hard, is it?

Football and hoops ain’t happening this school year for college or high school because no one in a leadership capacity can take the risk of being in favor of it. Maybe some NFL but I doubt it.

For the record, I’m for mask optional at all times inside or out; let the virus run its cycle bc 60-80 percent of the population is going to get it no matter what.

50% are asymptomatic
The remaining 49% are flulike

College baseball may happen in the spring bc it’s outdoors.
1% serious and they’re all over 60

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Football and hoops ain’t happening this school year for college or high school because no one in a leadership capacity can take the risk of being in favor of it. Maybe some NFL but I doubt it.

For the record, I’m for mask optional at all times inside or out; let the virus run its cycle bc 60-80 percent of the population is going to get it no matter what.

50% are asymptomatic
The remaining 49% are flulike

College baseball may happen in the spring bc it’s outdoors.
1% serious and they’re all over 60

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I’ll have a free autumn for once then. Looking forward to it.

College sports are done for the foreseeable future. This is going to bankrupt many conferences and schools.

https://twitter.com/bshields0244/sta...65406166052864

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https://twitter.com/bshields0244/sta...65406166052864

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The kids need to get back to school
And back to their normal activities.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://twitter.com/bshields0244/sta...65406166052864

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

The kids need to get back to school
And back to their normal activities.

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I agree. The thing is I think most of them want to do just that. And the ones that don't should just be given the option to sit.

The other thing is I don't think spring football is very viable of an option. If you play 12 games that's going to take the season to May. If you only do conference games that takes you to April. Either way there is about half the time for players to rest, develop, and etc. in the offseason and all of the preseason/spring stuff would have to roll right into the summer almost just as soon as the regular season ends. To me, it seems like that would be like telling a pitcher "hey, normally you're going to throw 100 innings a year competitively but now it's going to be 200". It just seems very unsafe to do that.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Hoop made some great points.

If we flip seasons- it will cause all kinds of problemsL

1. No football before signing day. Your top guys wont have a problem- but so many recruits are in the middle. Hurts both them and the colleges needing the evaluation time
2. Many Senior HS kids get very lazy come Springtime. Programs will lose some role player type kids that know they arent playing after HS. These kids will just choose to get a job after school or find something else to do instead of play.
3. Kids with major injuries in the Spring wont have the time to be rehab and be ready for the Fall- injuries like ACL tears and such
4. Wear and tear on players with a full Spring schedule then a full Fall.
5. Hurts baseball guys that play football.

I say delay things about 2-3 weeks and lets roll. It's so hot in August anyway- its actually good for the kids to delay it. When I was young nobody kicked off their season before the last Friday of August anyway. The death rate from the virus i basically at flu levels now. We know it attacks the elderly and people with other conditions for the most part. I saw a stat that said less than 200 people nationwide had died from the virus age 25 and under. It's time to live life.

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For those reasons they play. I would not be surprise if the NCAA suspend the early signing period this year. (For this year only)

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I agree. The thing is I think most of them want to do just that. And the ones that don't should just be given the option to sit.

The other thing is I don't think spring football is very viable of an option. If you play 12 games that's going to take the season to May. If you only do conference games that takes you to April. Either way there is about half the time for players to rest, develop, and etc. in the offseason and all of the preseason/spring stuff would have to roll right into the summer almost just as soon as the regular season ends. To me, it seems like that would be like telling a pitcher "hey, normally you're going to throw 100 innings a year competitively but now it's going to be 200". It just seems very unsafe to do that.

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Exactly. There's to many downsides to trying to flip seasons.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Exactly. There's to many downsides to trying to flip seasons.

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I notice that the media Coronabros want to do it. You would think that "sportswriters" would understand that.

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Originally Posted by Schultzy

Football and hoops ain’t happening this school year for college or high school because no one in a leadership capacity can take the risk of being in favor of it. Maybe some NFL but I doubt it.

For the record, I’m for mask optional at all times inside or out; let the virus run its cycle bc 60-80 percent of the population is going to get it no matter what.

50% are asymptomatic
The remaining 49% are flulike

College baseball may happen in the spring bc it’s outdoors.
1% serious and they’re all over 60

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Not sure about HS because it's a completely different dynamic, but I'm thinking the opposite as you for college.... The leaders can't afford NOT to take the risk. The alternative is going broke, defaulting on loans, mass layoffs, etc. Unless they legally can't do it or the players just refuse to play, they will find a way to play some sort of college football season. Too much on the line for them not to.

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Not sure about HS because it's a completely different dynamic, but I'm thinking the opposite as you for college.... The leaders can't afford NOT to take the risk. The alternative is going broke, defaulting on loans, mass layoffs, etc. Unless they legally can't do it or the players just refuse to play, they will find a way to play some sort of college football season. Too much on the line for them not to.

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You got Juniors and Seniors working to earn millions of dollars in their future. Gonna be hard to tell them no football.