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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
When your competition for the SEC (UGA & Bama) are recruiting in the Top 3 it's noticeable. Also if TN start consistently recruiting Top 5-7 it looks even worse.
Knowing what Dan did here, if UF fans will give him time he will win big there. If he was able to be in the running for a championship appearance here in the West during its prime he will without a doubt be able to do it there. If UF fans will give him the time he needs to do it. It takes more time his way but he builds a much better foundation doing it the way that he does. Our program was in the best shape it has ever been in when he left.
It was the first time I can remember a coach leaving us in a better situation than he found it.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
Its amazing to me how much fans put into recruiting versus on the field results. Let me be clear, I completely understand it and partially agree with it, but the guy is 21-5 in his first two years with two top 10 finishes and 11-5 in the SEC while only losing to UGA by 7 and then losing to LSU in Baton Rouge by 14 (it was a one score game in 4th quarter)
You would think they would be happy. It reminds me of AU fans the first year Saban beat Tubby. Even though Tubby was like 6-1 against Bama in the prior 7 years he was getting decimated on the recruiting front and the AU people wanted him gone.
Florida hired Mullen to win championships. If he doesn't make it to the SEC championship game this year I think his seat gets screaming hot. Add in the not happy about recruiting crowd and he could be on the chopping block next season.
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Originally Posted by
msstatelp1
Florida hired Mullen to win championships. If he doesn't make it to the SEC championship game this year I think his seat gets screaming hot. Add in the not happy about recruiting crowd and he could be on the chopping block next season.
They'd be dumb if they fired Mullen after another NY6 bowl. This is a dumb fanbase though... run off urban for not running a pro style offense
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
They'd be dumb if they fired Mullen after another NY6 bowl. This is a dumb fanbase though... run off urban for not running a pro style offense
That is BS - Urban quit because he saw the Saban train coming and he doesn't like to lose.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
That is BS - Urban quit because he saw the Saban train coming and he doesn't like to lose.
Urban is 2-1 vs saban in championship/playoff games
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Originally Posted by
BB30
Knowing what Dan did here, if UF fans will give him time he will win big there. If he was able to be in the running for a championship appearance here in the West during its prime he will without a doubt be able to do it there. If UF fans will give him the time he needs to do it. It takes more time his way but he builds a much better foundation doing it the way that he does. Our program was in the best shape it has ever been in when he left.
It was the first time I can remember a coach leaving us in a better situation than he found it.
no doubt Mullen was and is a good coach but at some point he's gonna have to win a BIG game ... 2014 was our best chance after beating top ten ranked Auburn, aTm, and LSU - we expected to probably lose to Bama ... but if we had only beaten a mediocre OM team we might have remained in the play-off ....... as many chances as he had I never saw it happen - maybe, just maybe LSU in 14
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
They'd be dumb if they fired Mullen after another NY6 bowl. This is a dumb fanbase though... run off urban for not running a pro style offense
I don't think they're dumb enough to fire Dan. However they hired him to be Urban Meyer 2.0 not Mark Richt 2.0. That's why this season is so huge for him. This may be his best chance in the next 2-3 years. You lose this year & go 0-3 vs Kirby then no matter how many 10 win seasons he's going to have that stain on him. Like you said the Florida fan base isn't a patient one.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
I don't think they're dumb enough to fire Dan. However they hired him to be Urban Meyer 2.0 not Mark Richt 2.0. That's why this season is so huge for him. This may be his best chance in the next 2-3 years. You lose this year & go 0-3 vs Kirby then no matter how many 10 win seasons he's going to have that stain on him. Like you said the Florida fan base isn't a patient one.
Correct. I don't think they'd actually fire Dan unless this went on for a decade or more like it did for Richt. However, if Dan starts feeling the heat, I could totally see him bolt for Texas, Stanford, USC, or Notre Dame where he wouldn't have to face super recruiters
If Dan doesn't win the SEC East this year & USC &/or Texas fires Helton/Herman, I think you could see him bolt. The writing will be on the wall
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
Correct. I don't think they'd actually fire Dan unless this went on for a decade or more like it did for Richt. However, if Dan starts feeling the heat, I could totally see him bolt for Texas, Stanford, USC, or Notre Dame where he wouldn't have to face super recruiters
If Dan doesn't win the SEC East this year & USC &/or Texas fires Helton/Herman, I think you could see him bolt. The writing will be on the wall
IDK, they did fire a coach that went to two straight SEC Champ games. If they don't beat UGA soon and go to SECCG, Dan will be gone one way or another - leave on his own or be forced out.
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The Fla melt continues. This is great!!
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Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
I think he ends up in the NFL or at a place like Notre Dame or Stanford before it's all said & done. Seems like the right fit. Mullen would be killer in the PAC 12 or Big 12 where super crooters don't exist. I could actually see him going to Texas once they fire Herman.
While his recruiting has been better at Florida than MSU, I think it's mostly just a symptom of more in-state talent & a bigger brand. Not necessarily that Mullen or his staff has gotten any better at recruiting.
No way Mullen goes to Texas. WAY too many huge money oil men that want to call plays in a game for Mullen.
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Originally Posted by
Tripp McNeely
that's hilarious .... "Hev is gonna Hev" .... I see the Hevesy consternation is contagious
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Originally Posted by
SheltonChoked
No way Mullen goes to Texas. WAY too many huge money oil men that want to call plays in a game for Mullen.
yep ... and their cigars are bigger than ours
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Urban is 2-1 vs saban in championship/playoff games
He lost to Saban in 2009, he was 4-4 in the SEC in 2010 and realized that his dominance was over. He lost a great OC to us, and his recruiting was falling off because Saban was beating the brakes off him on the recruiting trail.
He saw the writing on the wall and ran like the wind to an easier path to the title which is what he ended up doing at Ohio State.
He couldn't handle that Saban smoke.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Urban is 2-1 vs saban in championship/playoff games
Let's not let simple facts in this....
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
I don't think they're dumb enough to fire Dan. However they hired him to be Urban Meyer 2.0 not Mark Richt 2.0. That's why this season is so huge for him. This may be his best chance in the next 2-3 years. You lose this year & go 0-3 vs Kirby then no matter how many 10 win seasons he's going to have that stain on him. Like you said the Florida fan base isn't a patient one.
I agree with all of that. I think Dan will realize that he really left a place that was perfect for him. We don't have unrealistic recruiting expectations. We care about the product on the field. He is great at developing talent and making them fit his system. He doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks about recruits.
All of that works at an under the radar P5 school. It doesn't work at a school that thinks back to back top 10 finishes are something to be pissed about.
Now he is such a good coach that it may not cost him, but I just think he will look back and realize what a huge mistake it was to leave a school that fit his coaching/recruiting/personality to a T.
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I don't know how patient they will be. But I think they win the East before it matters.....
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
Let's not let simple facts in this....
You think Meyer left Florida for health reasons? That was the original post I was responding to. There was zero pressure at Florida for him to leave. He left because he knew that he had gotten his ass kicked on the recruiting trail and the next few years at Florida were going to be rough and he simply isn't built for that.
They went 3-5 in the SEC in 2011. No coincidence that Saban and Bama were rolling through the next season at Florida. They proceeded to destroy Florida.
I think Meyer was an absolute coward and knew that his run at Florida was over and instead of getting worked the next few years - he decided to retire due to his health and to spend more time with his family. He proceeded to work at ESPN and less than 12 months after his last game at Florida - he took the Ohio State job.
A job that proved much easier.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
He lost to Saban in 2009, he was 4-4 in the SEC in 2010 and realized that his dominance was over. He lost a great OC to us, and his recruiting was falling off because Saban was beating the brakes off him on the recruiting trail.
He saw the writing on the wall and ran like the wind to an easier path to the title which is what he ended up doing at Ohio State.
He couldn't handle that Saban smoke.
He was cam newton stealing a vcr (or whatever) from rolling on just fine.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
He was cam newton stealing a vcr (or whatever) from rolling on just fine.
Saban survived Cam just fine.
That is my point though, if he had kept Cam, he probably stays because he figured he could compete. That is the point, the guy is a front runner - and he saw the writing on the wall with no Cam and a pretty bare roster in 2011 that went 3-5 in the SEC and barely beat vandy.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
Saban survived Cam just fine.
That is my point though, if he had kept Cam, he probably stays because he figured he could compete. That is the point, the guy is a front runner - and he saw the writing on the wall with no Cam and a pretty bare roster in 2011 that went 3-5 in the SEC and barely beat vandy.
He's won 3 natties (2 different schools) and went undefeated at Utah. Urban Meyer is one of the greatest of all time, and you don't get ghat status being a punk. You're letting personal feelings cloud judgement. He's 187-32 (.854) all time
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
He's won 3 natties (2 different schools) and went undefeated at Utah. Urban Meyer is one of the greatest of all time, and you don't get ghat status being a punk. You're letting personal feelings cloud judgement. He's 187-32 (.854) all time
He is a great coach without question. An all timer. That isn't the debate. The debate was that Florida fans were giving him heat - that simply wasn't true. He left on his own accord on a made up reason of wanting to spend more time with his family and his health.
The reason he is successful is his extreme desire to win. He is also extremely accurate in assessing his team's own talent.
He was smart enough to see the writing on the wall. He got the hell out of Florida and moved to a much easier situation to win games and have a chance at winning a national title. It was the smart move. Without question it was the smart move - that is what smart coaches do.
Hell Saban realized he wasn't going to win at the Dolphins because he couldn't outscheme other NFL coaches. His brilliance is recruiting. He is the best recruiter in history. Once he realized he couldn't out recruit other NFL teams - he got the **** out of dodge. Meyer realized the same thing at Florida - that is what great coaches do, they are brutally honest about their talent level and act accordingly. Meyer and Saban are two of the all time greats because of this trait.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
You think Meyer left Florida for health reasons? That was the original post I was responding to. There was zero pressure at Florida for him to leave. He left because he knew that he had gotten his ass kicked on the recruiting trail and the next few years at Florida were going to be rough and he simply isn't built for that.
They went 3-5 in the SEC in 2011. No coincidence that Saban and Bama were rolling through the next season at Florida. They proceeded to destroy Florida.
I think Meyer was an absolute coward and knew that his run at Florida was over and instead of getting worked the next few years - he decided to retire due to his health and to spend more time with his family. He proceeded to work at ESPN and less than 12 months after his last game at Florida - he took the Ohio State job.
A job that proved much easier.
Urban's post-game press conference when we beat them in the Swamp in '10 is when I knew he was done. There is a pause about 15 seconds in where it's quiet and you can hear our fans chanting "Maroon, White", and Urban just hangs his head, gulps, and then starts again. He knew the SEC had him figured out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAhAn_fttU
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Urban's post-game press conference when we beat them in the Swamp in '10 is when I knew he was done. There is a pause about 15 seconds in where it's quiet and you can hear our fans chanting "Maroon, White", and Urban just hangs his head, gulps, and then starts again. He knew the SEC had him figured out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAhAn_fttU
Figured him out? He ran thru Bama in 2014 for his 3rd natty with saban having a month to go over the blueprint to Meyer we established (lmao)
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Ideally, Dan would be an NFL coach. But, he'd have to get away from his system & Im not sure he could pull a good staff together. He's making bank and I bet he gets out of coaching early.
I agree. Dan has too many hobbies (and too much loyalty to certain country club offensive coaches) that get in his way of being an elite coach, which Florida expects. Eventually, Mullen and Florida will get tired of each other and he will move on. I could see him making a run at the NFL, but he knows what kind of liability those coaches would be in the league.
Regardless, he already has more money than he and Megan could spend in a lifetime, so he may just retire.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Figured him out? He ran thru Bama in 2014 for his 3rd natty with saban having a month to go over the blueprint to Meyer we established (lmao)
Yes - I think at the time the SEC had him figured out. They had chipped away at his recruiting. They had chipped away at his staff, and he was not adapting to having the target on his back week in and week out that you have in the SEC.
That being said, Meyer adapted - and that is what can make a coach elite. He took a year off, and started running an SEC program in a conference that isn't as competitive week in and week out.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Figured him out? He ran thru Bama in 2014 for his 3rd natty with saban having a month to go over the blueprint to Meyer we established (lmao)
You are missing the point. No one is questioning that he is a great gameday coach.
By leaving for Ohio State he was able to not have to recruit against the greatest recruiter of my lifetime except for a very small number of players. He was able to play maybe 1 or 2 tough games the entire season and gear up for a playoff run.
He was 54-4 in the big 10. Imagine only having to play at most 2 tough games before the playoffs at a power house program like Ohio State.
He knew Florida didn't have the talent in the pipeline to have the success he was used to. They went 3-5 in 2011 and 3-5 in 2013 in the SEC. He might have faked a stroke as opposed to a heart attack if that had happened.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
He is a great coach without question. An all timer. That isn't the debate. The debate was that Florida fans were giving him heat - that simply wasn't true. He left on his own accord on a made up reason of wanting to spend more time with his family and his health.
The reason he is successful is his extreme desire to win. He is also extremely accurate in assessing his team's own talent.
He was smart enough to see the writing on the wall. He got the hell out of Florida and moved to a much easier situation to win games and have a chance at winning a national title. It was the smart move. Without question it was the smart move - that is what smart coaches do.
Hell Saban realized he wasn't going to win at the Dolphins because he couldn't outscheme other NFL coaches. His brilliance is recruiting. He is the best recruiter in history. Once he realized he couldn't out recruit other NFL teams - he got the **** out of dodge. Meyer realized the same thing at Florida - that is what great coaches do, they are brutally honest about their talent level and act accordingly. Meyer and Saban are two of the all time greats because of this trait.
Are you saying Meyer can't recruit? I mean he may not recruit like Saban does at Bama but ... I think he recruits pretty well.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
yep ... and their cigars are bigger than ours
Not sure how Mullen would get along with red McCombs (Donated over $100million to UT)....https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ie-strong-hire
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
You think Meyer left Florida for health reasons? That was the original post I was responding to. There was zero pressure at Florida for him to leave. He left because he knew that he had gotten his ass kicked on the recruiting trail and the next few years at Florida were going to be rough and he simply isn't built for that.
They went 3-5 in the SEC in 2011. No coincidence that Saban and Bama were rolling through the next season at Florida. They proceeded to destroy Florida.
I think Meyer was an absolute coward and knew that his run at Florida was over and instead of getting worked the next few years - he decided to retire due to his health and to spend more time with his family. He proceeded to work at ESPN and less than 12 months after his last game at Florida - he took the Ohio State job.
A job that proved much easier.
I think he left Bc he was burned out at the time. He'd won 2 titles. He needed a breath and waited for the next big job. If you think he left Bc he was scared you don't understand egos of big time coaches. And urban is big time. Argue if you must.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I think he left Bc he was burned out at the time. He'd won 2 titles. He needed a breath and waited for the next big job. If you think he left Bc he was scared you don't understand egos of big time coaches. And urban is big time. Argue if you must.
I agree. I think Meyer invests a lot into his team and program and he basically burned himself out.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if he ends up at South Carolina next year based on their hiring history if Meyer wants to do it.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Urban's post-game press conference when we beat them in the Swamp in '10 is when I knew he was done. There is a pause about 15 seconds in where it's quiet and you can hear our fans chanting "Maroon, White", and Urban just hangs his head, gulps, and then starts again. He knew the SEC had him figured out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAhAn_fttU
Hijack- Beating Florida in Gainesville in 2010 was a very underrated win for MSU and one of Dan's biggest wins at MSU.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
I agree. I think Meyer invests a lot into his team and program and he basically burned himself out.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if he ends up at South Carolina next year based on their hiring history if Meyer wants to do it.
I would imagine he waiting on Southern Cal to open up. Go out west and dominate the PAC-12. CFP bound every year.
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Originally Posted by
HancockCountyDog
You are missing the point. No one is questioning that he is a great gameday coach.
By leaving for Ohio State he was able to not have to recruit against the greatest recruiter of my lifetime except for a very small number of players. He was able to play maybe 1 or 2 tough games the entire season and gear up for a playoff run.
He was 54-4 in the big 10. Imagine only having to play at most 2 tough games before the playoffs at a power house program like Ohio State.
He knew Florida didn't have the talent in the pipeline to have the success he was used to. They went 3-5 in 2011 and 3-5 in 2013 in the SEC. He might have faked a stroke as opposed to a heart attack if that had happened.
he didn't leave for Ohio State ... he just left
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Hijack- Beating Florida in Gainesville in 2010 was a very underrated win for MSU and one of Dan's biggest wins at MSU.
It really is under rated. That was the most fun I've ever had at an away game too. UF fans were absolutely shell shocked at the end of the game. And our fans after the game were ridiculously loud (as evidenced by the video). I was sitting on the 50 yard line about 3 rows up behind the UF bench (my cousin is a UF alum/season ticket holder), and the band cranked up into the Hey song and it was like the place just exploded. That "Maroon/White" chant was echoing thru an empty Swamp.
That 2010 team was tough, talented, and overcame some real adversity with the loss of Nick Bell. They will always be one of my favorite MSU teams.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
It really is under rated. That was the most fun I've ever had at an away game too. UF fans were absolutely shell shocked at the end of the game. And our fans after the game were ridiculously loud (as evidenced by the video). I was sitting on the 50 yard line about 3 rows up behind the UF bench (my cousin is a UF alum/season ticket holder), and the band cranked up into the Hey song and it was like the place just exploded. That "Maroon/White" chant was echoing thru an empty Swamp.
That 2010 team was tough, talented, and overcame some real adversity with the loss of Nick Bell. They will always be one of my favorite MSU teams.
Mine too they were as tough nosed as it gets. I loved the offense that year. Both sides of the ball just pounded on people. That Arky game was one of the most emotional games I've ever witnessed at Davis Wade. That was a fun season and was capped off with an awesome bowl trip. Looking back we really did have some awesome years under Mullen with a lot of big games. I know a lot of state fans are still salty over how he left etc. But he did a lot for our university and the city of Starkville.
Starkville would look a lot different had we followed up the croom hire with another bust.
