This is likely true, but we shouldn't be the only ones dealing with it. I could see attrition in fall camp due to this alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
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This is likely true, but we shouldn't be the only ones dealing with it. I could see attrition in fall camp due to this alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yeah I didn't mean just us. Just the entire football community. Mommas fried chicken is not what they get here or anywhere these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I agree 100% on this. Mike Gundy had a local pressor a month ago and was livid for this exact reason. You could tell in his voice he knew his players were not going to be physically ready. (He wanted the players to be able to stay on campus and work out unless sick)Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Yup. They were tampering
I think the Genespage crew does a pretty job overall but it's pretty funny when they make fun of message boards rumors only to wrong a week later.
Does that mean he's gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
IDK. You'd hate to see a 3 year starter walk out on his teammates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Mullen: goes to Florida because more talent better opportunity
Also Mullen: still grabbing MSU recruits and now actual players from MSU roster.
FL has taken our baseball, football, and tennis coaches, along with our alumni AD. Why not an OL? Hell, I wish they'd take our president and basketball coach.
If we're going to lose an OL I would choose Reese honestly. I don't think he's all that good. His feet look really slow to me.
LT- Cross
LG- Parker
C- Sharp
RG- Eiland
RT- Lashley
I could roll with that.
Sloppy seconds.**Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I'm not sure about Lashley, hope he becomes all Sec, I guess I'm hoping Reese stays at Msu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Lashley would likely slide inside instead of Eiland.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
So Reese has been attending daily position Zoom meetings with the team while Florida is reporting that he's transferring there & now info comes out that that may very well be the case?
Completely shady on both Reese & Florida's part. The transfer portal is there for a reason. You don't go behind the back of your teammates & work a second angle.
Another issue with this quarantine. This likely isn't an issue if kids are on campus with their teammates
Might be a better move for him inside. Question is can he play? I realize he was at Bama and played very few snaps, his recruiting was very strange but again Hev gonna be Hev I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by basedog
If Reese leaves, it's not a good thing, but, if you're looking for a silver lining, it's this:
We have quality depth on the OL & with Reese being a SR, he wasn't part of the long term plan anyway. Thus we are able to start a younger guy that builds experience & that allows us to better down the road.
It's still not good to lose Reese & pretty embarrassing to lose a starter to another SEC school.
It really is ridiculous that we would send college students in general away from a college town, but it's especially crazy that we would take division one athletes, and say, we're worried about your health. Why don't you leave these world class nutrition, training, and healthcare we provide and go to a household that has a reasonable chance of being lower income and a very small chance of being able to replicate the environment we provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
AT the end, there needs to be real consequences for some of the stupid decisions that have been made. It's one thing to make a good faith decision and just be wrong, but if you are going to take decision making away from local actors, and it turns out you made a stupid 17ing decision because you didn't understand the facts on the ground or didn't have the ability to make reasoned distinctions b/c you took on more responsibility than you could handle, you should face consequences. There's a reason people with the most information should generally be allowed to make decisions, and you shouldn't be able to take the decision making away from those people and then be "how was I to know?". That's exactly why you don't try to run people's lives from hundreds of miles away.
Here is where the truth of the whole deal is to me. Would it hurt to lose him from a talent perspective? Yes. You can say it wouldn’t be a loss all you want but there is a reason he is a starter. It would hurt. The other side of the coin is this... if he doesn’t want to be here, or even has a shaky enough commitment to MSU and his teammates that he would entertain this, do I really want a guy like that here? No. Ultimately, no matter how talented you are, if you do not want to be a part of something, then you need to leave. So would it hurt? Yes and no. I do think we have more talent in the OL than ever.
Reese leaves it wouldn't be a younger guy starting. Lashley would play RG.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Absolutely, if he isn't 100% Dawg then he needs to be gone tomorrow. If any of this is true and I'm Leach I am cutting him lose regardless if he is communicating with UF. Go ahead and set a precedent that we won't be putting up with players flirting with other programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
Apparently the kid hasn't been forthright while sitting in on Zoom meetings & other team stuff.
If he wants to leave, the transfer portal is available for that. It's just wrong to be snooping around your own team's back while acting as a functioning member of the team.
Wait, Reese is a starter and good enough to piss off fans because FL is trying to pull him but we should tell him to hit the road? Get out of here with that crap! Reese is a solid player. It would be a loss if he leaves. He can play G or T.
Due to the Reese situation, I've been considering how to fix things like this.
I think the transfer portal needs deadlines.
For example: If you want to enter the transfer portal, you have to enter by a certain date & then transfers would have the ability to start signing with other schools exactly a month or two later on a certain date.
It's not fair to programs that have players drag this out because they don't know if they'll need to fill a spot or not & it's not really fair to the transfers because all they're real options may not be known at the time they make their decision on where to transfer.
Just like signing day, there just needs be an entry & exit portal deadline that streamlines the process & allows coaches to make decisions with complete information.
How many OL transfers have we passed on this year already because we didn't know that Reese may transfer? How many OL transfers would may have loved to sign with MSU, but we didn't have a spot?
Again, just like free agent deadlines & signing days, the transfer portal needs some organization & calendar deadlines that streamline it.
It will be a loss if he leaves and anybody saying differently is crazy. Even if he is as "bad" as some people are saying, he is basically our 6th OL and as you say, can play OG or OT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
That said, I don't think it'd be crazy for the Staff to take the position of, if you want to explore options, we need to know so we can explore options, and anybody looking to leave us in the lurch by trying to firm up their options before letting us know is out. Not sure that'd be smart, and I think this would be a relatively dumb place to start that precedent, where there is a brother on the team and a former relationship with the coaches. But I can see the arguments for it.
He is a good player. The Reese situation is the exact type of situation that makes many fans apprehensive about opening up the transfers across college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Everyone is OK with guy that has playing time concerns transferring, but when SEC starters begin transferring to other SEC schools, that's not healthy for the sport or conference.
Has anyone actually confirmed anything about the situation?
I hope like hell Reese stays, our depth on the OL is maybe our biggest issue going into next season. We are extremely thin. We do not need to lose a 3 year starter that can play multiple positions.
I agree. You want guys that believe in the program. Not fair to teammates, coaches, fans, etc. You want guys that want to be there because of they don't, when recruits come in, it's a lot harder to sell the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by BB30
No one really knows except maybe Reese himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Our OL depth is an issue? I don't agree with that.
If I had to guess on the Reese situation, I'd bet this is what's happening....
He's at home right now with his brother & I'm sure Florida is doing all the same Zoom stuff we are. The coaches are probably tampering with him while his brother is on Florida Zoom calls, but Reese feels bad about it because he knows he's cheating on his team by talking to the Florida coaches on his brother's Zoom call. However, the pressure continues to exist because the Florida coaches are probably putting pressure on the brother to recruit Stewart & he can't leave the house to get away from it all.
What really needs to happen is for Cohen to give Stricklin a call & tell him to tell Dan & Hev to cut that shit out
Just my thoughts, but we have:Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Eiland, Parker, Reese are both 3 year players that I expect t play a ton this year.
Sharp is a starter and I think Cross is the other starter.
Behind them we have Cole Smith, Dolla Bill, Brandon Cunningham none of which have played at all.
Reese leaves that would leave us with Sharp, Parker, Eiland, Cross and Lashley. Behind them would be basically zero snaps. I just don't see how that is adequate depth.
You have Pendley as well. We have a quality 2 deep on the OL. I don't see an issue unless your just greedyQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I would be worried with Moorhead's offense. Not too much with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I think we now know. Dan stabbed us in the back.
If I am the coach and based on current transfer processes, if one enters the portal, I go ahead and plan for him to be gone and replace him in depth chart. Reese will be missed from an experience and depth stand point for sure. We really need for practice and repetition with the QB and the receivers. Timing and chemistry in passing game could take time. If teams zone defense against us due to short drops and quick throws, a wrong cut or "missed" route could be an interception, especially in the SEC.
I think this is why some predict us to go 5-7.Quote:
Originally Posted by deltadawg63
I try to be optimistic, but I really can't see a three year starter putting his name in the transfer portal and then deciding to stay. That would be a totally weird turn of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog