If Leach has his in home tonight with him, I?d say he?s a Bulldog.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
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If Leach has his in home tonight with him, I?d say he?s a Bulldog.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Bring us down? No. Discuss? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
All good here. Chase Brice is currently at Clemson right now though. He’s been there backing up Lawrence for the last 2 years & now he’s looking to go elsewhere to play his final 2 years of eligibility somewhere. He’s got to be a talented kid if Clemson signed him out of HS, but he’s extremely unproven and inexperienced like Tommy was. I wouldn’t be against him coming necessarily but he’d have a lot to prove to get me super excited about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Costello on the other hand is uber talented and proven and a known commodity. He’s a big time player who changes the entire outlook on a season. HUGE drop off going from him down to Brice. Need the Pirate to seal the deal tonight with Costello.
He has made a shitload of money and never struck me as a football lifer anyway. He stayed at Boise st for so long because he wanted to stay in the PNW for family reasons, hence why he turned down USC and other blue bloods and ended up going to Washington when he did finally leave Boise. He's not a football only kinda guy, he just likes football, is good at coaching it, and made enough money doing it that he can retire early and enjoy parenting his kids while having already financially secured their futures (if he wants to leave them $$).Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Leach has only had one transfer quarterback, Gardner Minshew. So I don't think looking for transfers is something he will continue to do. Maybe this year to get everyone on board with his Air Raid offense.
thanks ... and this is a big part of why I read this boardQuote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Anthony Gordon was a JUCO transfer as well. So his last 2 have been. Transfer QBs are being taken seriously and pursued by everybody at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dogbone
I'm not nearly as sold on Brice as I am on Costello.
Anyone Leach brings in I am sold on. Be honest, if today was 2 years ago, and Minshew and Costello were both available who would you be more sold on?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But the blue bloods are the ones that are actually winning because of it. Look at us last year, Arkansas, Missouri, Miami, Maryland, WVU and I'm sure others all floundered the entire season after hitting the transfer portal for a QB. Were all pretty much disjointed from the start. You could even argue that if LSU only had Burrow for a 1 year rental in 2018 he is a failure. I just don't see getting Costello for a 1 year transition year as vital, but I'm not against him coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The blue bloods are winning because they're blue bloods. They were beating us with the groomed QB's just like they're going to beat us with the transfers. Because the talent surrounding the QB is so much better too. LSU beat us like 30 straight times with no QB that could throw. We are now intriguing to guys like Costello because it's an air raid big numbers system but it's now in an elite conference. To not take advantage of that interest because "it only works at blue bloods and we want to develop a guy" is just senseless in my opinion. But I'll just agree to disagree. The transfer portal is here to stay and we will have really good options at QB every year Leach is here....might as well take advantage, bc there is no guarantee a 3 year "groomed" Will Rogers will be any better than a 1 year former 4 or 5 star. In fact, Costello is a much less risky option than even a Will Rogers with 3 years in Leach's system would be if we had that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Costello. If they were both available 2 years ago, I'd bet leach would've chose Costello then too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
I totally agree but I will say that Brice sure looks much better to me than Tommy ever did. Let's get Costello tonite.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I can agree with that. Brice looks better than Tommy did and looks like he'd have more potential as a true QB but also has about the same level of inexperience as Tommy had. I'm betting Brice has thrown a good bit more passes in games than Tommy (both are low totals though really) did coming in but still, significant game experience is lacking just like Tommy.Quote:
Originally Posted by timotheus
Agree with you though and especially your last part, let's just seal the deal with Costello tonight and roll!
If we don't get Costello, I'd just assume go with what's on roster and may the best man win.
Looks like Brice is not visiting. Costello it is!! (or better be)
So we're either supremely confident Costello's visit to Washington is not too serious and Leach will close it out with his in-home or we are just going the "Costello or bust" route & he's the only one Leach really would want to take and if we miss on him, just roll with what we have. I'm trusting the Pirate and what he wants to do, especially with QB's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
If we for some reason don?t get Costello, Peyton Ramsey from Indiana entered the transfer portal yesterday. If you look at his career stats, he seems exactly like the kind of guy Leach would pursue. But obviously Costello is our first choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I don't know if UW will pay 180K.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Price has gone up since thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Peyton Ramzey from Indiana entered the portal. Maybe a back up plan
Why is he leaving?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Wazzu was in the playoff running until the final weekend of the season with minshew. So clearly it can help non-blue bloods too. As for all the teams you listed, do you think they'd have been better with the QBs on their rosters before the transfer? Because unless you believe they were benching they wrong guy, you can't really argue the transfer Portland QB hurt them, it's the rest of the roster and/or coaching that was the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
My thoughts are WSU with Minshew is the exception and not the norm, and I think the probability of that working out at State in the SEC West with a 1 year guy is much less.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
As for those other teams, it contributed to MSU, Arkansas, and Missouri firing their coaches. I think we definitely started the wrong guy but that's a separate discussion. The rest of the teams had pretty horrific years, so I don't think you can argue the portal "helped" them. I bet a lot of those schools look back and realize they could have just tried to groom a young guy and ended up with the same results, and now they are back at square one. Miami's best QB is transferring because they botched their situation and now are getting portal happy with King.
I just think the new QB transfer portal is intriguing for a quick fix, but that intrigue is driven by the success the blue bloods have had with it. For the most part, its bred complete shit shows at mid to lower range schools.
IMO We cancelled Brice’s visit in order to prove to Costello that We are 100 percent committed to him. Leach will seal the deal tonight and Costello will commit soon. Just my opinion.
Thursday night ratherQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
The kiss of death.... alright who's next on our list?******Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Just messing with ya preacher lol. What you're saying does make sense though. I just don't see Brice cancelling the visit. I think it had to be on our end and why would we do that to our back-up plan out of nowhere if we weren't highly confident in landing Costello? Just wouldn't make a ton of sense.
Meh, just like anything, it works with the right guy and doesn't with the wrong guy. The difference is that blue bloods have their pick of whichever guy they deemed to be the "right guy", while programs like us, mizzou, wvu, etc. usually don't have that luxury. We can identify the "right guy" just like a blue blood, but pulling the "right guy" ain't as easy as identifying the "right guy". You have the wrong mindset if you are against the idea of taking or not taking guys through the transfer portal without considering all the various factors that go into whether any given guy would actually work out. Last year, I understand why joevester made the gamble on Stevens, and honestly, until he got hurt against USM, I thought he looked pretty good throwing the ball. Against K-state, he was missing wide open WRs, not because of the defense or an inability to throw the ball, just cause he was playing hurt. Shit snowballed from there (further injury, panic/forcing things, improved competition ready to take advantage, etc), but that stuff didn't happen cause Stevens was a transfer, it was a confluence of circumstances unrelated to being a transfer QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Nevermind that Costello is far more proven than Stevens. Shit, he's far more proven than all but a handful of QBs in the country period.
I think the portal can help people like Shrader develop by giving them time to develop and learn. I've seen some MSU QB's start out really well only to lose their confidence in the SEC while they take their lumps- usually end up being benched only to make a small comeback once the next young guy gets benched after he loses his confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
I was going to say the same thing about Stevens being hurt. Joe should have never put him back out there until he was healthy. And I think it got into his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Not against it, I mentioned that earlier in the thread. Going by evidence so far, the transfer portal in general does not pan out great for programs like us.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
I keep seeing people say Leach's visit is tonight. I believe it is Thursday night. So don't freak out when we don't hear anything in the next 24 hours.
Not sure a juco guy can be considered a transfer in the context of this conversation. Kinda like comparing apples and lava rocks for this conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Not really. Still a guy who wasn't developed from the beginning in your program.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Not going to disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
But with Schrader, Mayden and Rogers, I'm having a difficult time understanding the urgency to get a transfer. Leach is known for doing pretty well with less talent and depth. We are talking about an initial season where the expectations for winning are around 6-7 with a possibility of 8-9 if the ball bounces our way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paldridge10
The Stanford kid looks good on paper, I'll admit. But not so much so that not getting him is cause for any concern.
When you have a chance to add a kid that has thrown for over 6K yards with 49TDs and only 17 Picks - averaging over 60% completion percentage vs. Two QBs who have never taken a college snap and one who has thrown for about 1K yards and had 8TDS and 5 picks and apparently has some growing up to do (This is per several posters on this board - not me); You take the known entity. Personally I think giving Shrader a year to learn the system and develop is perfect for his overall development.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
I hope we land Costello and Shrader sees the same thing.
That is a true sophomore that played a good bit, a Rs So (or maybe true Jr.; not sure if Mayde got to redshirt) that has basically has not played, and a true freshman. It's not as bad as it could be b/c Shrader got good experience this year, but it's not clear that Shrader fits what Leach wants to do at all or that Leach would have recruited either Mayden or Shrader. A one year stop gap could do a ton to ease the transition this first year.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger