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I don't think it's the Pirate. Pretty sure a lot of folks were predicting this with SloppyMo coming back. Historically speaking we're 1 game up on Ky and that's after Mullen owned them 8 outta 9 years. But ... by gawd we're just much better than them every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Folks don't want to give Stoops credit for establishing a tough, hard-nosed team up there now either.
I would love to discuss the depth chart. We need a grad transfer qb really bad. If we get Costello we have qb figured out. I like what Leach is doing with the OL especially with Lashley. Hill will be a real threat out of the backfield m. I think Austin Williams and Payton will be the biggest benefactors of this coaching change.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm waiting to see on depth chart myself. I believe there may be some attrition on the way. And maybe some additions too. At least Lashley and a few Mullen leftovers will know what it's like to work hard.
You are the one that brought recruiting up, genius. No one that beat us in 2018 is there any more. They have gone through 2 quarterbacks since then. We may lose the game. It's not a sure loss and will very much be a tossup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
What I've found with Kentucky is that we just have to play well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
If we play well, we beat them & there isn't much they can do about it.
Yep. Outside of 2018 when it was a monsoon and they had the only legit defense they have had in the past 40 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
One thing is for sure... the MSU beat writers will be at spring and preseason practices and make folks believe we should win about 10 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Texas Tech went 6-5 the year before Leach. No bowl game because of lack of bowl games then. Leach went 7-6 the next season thanks to a 12th game being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Washington State was 4-8 the year before Leach. Leach went 3-9 the next season- 1 game worse than the previous coach as he began to flip the roster
To think he will suddenly improve State by 2-3 games in Year 1 with our roster is lunacy.
Why can't we just agree that we need to get to 6 wins and then go from there. Let's not start out with unrealistic expectations for CML. However, I would think Kentucky is just as winnable as it is loseable. Let's not act like they are unbeatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That's fine. I prefer excitement over a black cloudQuote:
Originally Posted by Pennywise
You're acting like we have the same coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I don't understand this thinking every year like it seems to be these days. I've thought that in 2014 and 2018. Outside of those years I haven't seen 10 regular season wins any year except maybe 1 or 2 under Jackie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennywise
Now we got folks predicting 9 or 10 wins regardless of youth/inexperience, young QBs starting, what kind of coaching turnover we have, etc. I just SMH at that.
We've had like 3 maybe 4 10 win seasons in our entire history I think.
It's all about the clicks...Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
We have hired a better coach. But we are in a rebuilding year in 2020. The "rebuilding year" bullshit JoVester tried to spew for 2019 was ridiculous. Our team in 2019 was better talent-wise and had more experience than ours will be in 2020. 2020 was going to be a rebuild with JoVester. Now, its a rebuild and transition year with Leach.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
We need to hope we win 6 games and keep the bowl streak alive. That will be a good season. Anything better than that is gravy. 8-9 wins aint happening with a completely new offense and a D with no pass rush, weak at LB, and a new Secondary. Especially considering we will play 75 plays a game on D.
Bottom line is we won’t know till fall practice gets here. Will players stay? Improve? Players he’ll with new staff? It’s amaz to me people adamant about results next year when we have no clue on so many variables. This decision was made to move us forward in the future. Not necessarily this year. Let things play out in the upcoming months and then the muddy water will settle and become more clear
Gel not He’ll
There are already way to many here that are falling for the fan media bullshit. I don't care who is brought in with a grad transfer there are so many questions to be answered I don't feel good predicting 6 wins. These guys feet are barely on the ground and predicting or expecting 8 wins is just not realistic in any way shape form or fashion. Just grasping and blowing like your brethren to the north.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennywise
Agree about waiting until we know what happens after Spring. I wont be surprised if we see guys like Austin Williams and a Dontae Jones transfer due to playing time. We bring in a transfer QB and then a guy like Mayden may want out- maybe even Shrader.
There is going to be some roster shake-up after Spring Practice as guys see they dont fit in the new scheme. Both sides of the ball.
Who knows? Have to put them out there and see who buys in and gets it. I bet there are some starters not even listed aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We'll win 6 no matter what. I'm leaning towards 7. Our schedule isn't terrible. SEC is going to be a little down as far as the top teams (AL returns a lot). If we had LBs I'd feel real good.
Going to be fun!
C34 when he sees a win/loss thread
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I think we can win 7 games. We will upset somebody. My guess is Auburn. They lost a lot of talent off the OL and DL. And we have them in DWS.
If we can pull one- they are certainly one of themQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Let me point some things out for those of you on the fence about winning more than 6 games. The 2018 team should have won 10 games minimum. 2019, 8 games minimum. The one factor that created the net -2 wins per season is no longer here.
So in reality, Leach is stepping into an 8 win team talent wise. Any semblance of an offense and it should result in a similar potential output that 2019 had. So it really is not unreasonable to think 7-8 wins is impossible.
How many of your minds would change if Mike Leach was taking over an 8-4 regular season team, despite the culture issues? Once again you cannot base a conclusion by picking and choosing input data. Everything has to be computed, most of all the net -2 win factor of JoVester. Take that away and change the culture, and this team still has the talent to get to 8 wins with expected output. The unknown is the ML factor, which should be a net positive, based on track record.
Talent maybe. Experience not so much. This is more like Mullen's 2016 team. It probably will be somewhat of a roller coaster next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Or his 2017 team where we were coming off of a six win season but added some key transfers and upgraded from Sirmon to Grantham. Changes can make a big difference sometimes. It's a lot more unpredictable when we don't know what we have because of so many changes plus we don't really know how the grad transfer thing is going to totally shake out at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Exactly. I'm basing my prediction next year on what a competent coach should accomplish. The reason we went 6-6 last year was because we were completely incompetent at the head coaching position. Leach is inheriting a team that should have won 8 games last year. He can just win the games against teams he out talents and go 8-4. He could beat Auburn and A&M and/or lose to Kentucky / Missouri / Ole Miss. This idea that we should be grateful for 6 wins is horse shit. He's inheriting an underachieving team. He needs to make them achieve to their talent level.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
Maybe so but a lot of things have to fall just right for that to happen. Just like they did with Mullen on all the in-state Jucos that had D1 experience and were studs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
ETA: I would guess the odds are pretty long for that same scenario again this year. And Mullen's QB was used to the system and had led the SEC in Total O the year before.
I’ve got us at 8 wins going into the UMiss game.
No idea who wins the Egg Bowl, but it’ll be interesting no matter what.
TAM or AU or you just saying we split those two?Quote:
Originally Posted by TXDawg
Good post, Rouge. Context is key.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
4 pages and I've yet to read a post that said, "I'll take that bet."
booooooooooooooooooooo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi1LMIUOOAIQuote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Exactly. It's a complete wild card. We could have 1999 or 2017 JUCO's. Or we could have Arizona Western JUCO's. Typically it takes six games or so for them to get acclimated. And of course the grad transfer market is something that didn't exist in 1999 and something that we didn't really take advantage of in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I'm saying we split those two. Not sure which one we get, but I think we'll take one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I can see an upset like one of these but I also foresee a WTF game ... or 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXDawg
The talent factor, good or bad, is easier for me to put my finger on. My questions are how quickly do the players buy in to this staff? Are there any culture issues in the locker room that can't be overcome? Do some veterans push back against a new way of doing things?
These coaches are going to tighten some stuff up. There is always some push back, and there could be some players leave.
Getting to 6 wins isn't that hard in this league. It's trying to get more than 7 or 8 where things get tough. Mullen knew that. Beating the non-conference teams, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Kentucky, etc. is so much easier than trying to consistently beat LSU or Bama.
With Moorhead, two freshmen starting at defensive tackle, and a true freshman QB, we weren't far from 8 wins (Tennessee and Kansas State).
I'm thinking we lose some to attrition. Newberry says he plays the guys that are laying it all out there ... and they may not be the most talented guys. I think Leach is the same way.
So some of us may see a player or 2 flash if they get in the game but behind the scenes ... they may be slacking and Leach/Newberry sitting them most of time cause of that.
I'm thinking though that our roster was allowed to ride The Good Ship Lollipop during the off season and that's about to change dramatically. You do make some good points though regarding Leach's first seasons at T. Tech and WSU that were not total 180's from the previous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm remembering how different our team played Mullen's first year. Maybe Leach is gonna use his more experienced mind this time and make a big difference season 1 with a new team. Maybe a stronger, more disciplined and more physical team will give us a better roster than what we think we have.
Who is the Starkville High WR that we signed last year that played in a few games? He has great size, and I think will do well in Leach's system...Cam something, I'm too lazy to look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg