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Originally Posted by Coach34
Agreed. It is a very low risk move for us, if he indeed wants to come, you take him. Well worth the scholly.
This is far from confirmed and still in the early stages, but as of now I would EXPECT this to happen.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Agreed. It is a very low risk move for us, if he indeed wants to come, you take him. Well worth the scholly.
This is far from confirmed and still in the early stages, but as of now I would EXPECT this to happen.
The ultimate perfect world would be to have Franks come in and kick ass, and we get to limit Shrader and Rogers to 4 games each and redshirt both, and then they can square off in 2021 to see who the QB of the future is.
That may not work with injuries and all that, but imagine how great it would be to have 5th year senior Shrader in 2023 with 4 years in the offense, or Rogers in 2024.
Marcus Murphy played several other positions in high school.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
On the Defensive Coordinator search:
Hearing even more smoke around Charlie Strong's name. There is no doubt that there is mutual interest between MSU and Strong. Mutual interest is just the first box to check, though.
Strong, Grantham and Shoop will all have to say no for it not to be one of them. I think you throw a $7,500,000 over 4 years at Grantham, with each year's salary increasing by $250,000 a year($1,500,000 in 2020; $1,750,000 in 2021; $2,000,000 in 2022; $2,250,000 in 2023) which incentivizes him to stick around (along with his son being a freshman on the baseball team this year) for at least 4 years before taking a HC job at a lower tier P5 school somewhere. If he declines, I think you throw a similar offer at Strong and try to come to an agreement. If that doesn't work you come back to Shoop and give him $4,000,000 to $5,000,000 over 4 years. If that doesn't work you go back to the drawing board, maybe take a couple shots at some big name sitting P5 DC's, make them say no.
I have heard no matter what this is not a hire that we will go cheap on.
You saying Shoop is an option Leach is considering? Cause Paul on 247 says all assistants were kinda told sayonaro.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeviousDawg
At this point I can't confirm that but I don't see Leach not having a meeting with him if he doesn't get his #1 guy. Shoop is going to be a cheaper option than the other two, which means we may get a position coach or two that we wouldn't have been able to afford with Strong or Grantham as DC. Shoop had the #1 defense in the country at MSU just 1 year ago, he has proved that he can do it here. Shoop is a really smart guy and I see him and Leach hitting it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
He's a really good DC, but his system does require a certain level of talent to excel, so some years it will look like this year, and some it will look more like last year.
I'm with you and that could be the case. Paul just said they were all told he was bringing his own guys on board. However, if he misses on Strong ... he may take a whack at Shoop. I'm slightly concerned with Strong tho. Been 10 years since he's called D plays most likely. Probably still involved in D planning tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeviousDawg
Shoop, T-Buck, and Hughes will be interviewed to keep their jobs. Leach is a smart guy and realizes he needs to recruit. I will be surprised if we dont keep a couple of these guys
You know that for sure?
GRANTHAM isn't coming. Please drop this. It's NOT happening....
If there were such a thing as trading in CFB then I would send Shrader to Florida and take Franks in trade. Shrader fits Dan Mullen's system. Franks fits Leach's system. I think that would be the best thing for both kids in all honesty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
This...Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
the only way TG was coming back here was as HC..
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Originally Posted by Homedawg
the only way TG was coming back here was as HC..
Why would you be so certain of that? You don't think he would wanna spend a few years here working for the Pirate and getting to watch his son play baseball? But if you have inside sources saying otherwise, I would like to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Maybe being a DC under the air raid is a tough sell. I guess.
No doubt, it?s Shoop or a Strong from early reports, but I still believe you have to make Grantham say no. I know there may be some sour grapes but that feeling will ease, and there is definitely some appeal there for Grantham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
I would be more than happy with Shoop if it happened right now. Still thing Strong is gonna get the first swing at making a deal, if it is not already happening/happened. Too much smoke coming from different directions to not be fire.
This is definitely going to be a factor, that?s why we have to commit to paying blue blood money for a DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
How many times does Homedawg have to tell your that Grantham isn?t coming back???? He knows what he is talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
I don?t mean you specifically Wales, but this continues to be brought up and it?s a dead issue.
What about Hud?**Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
My main concern at this point is the S&C coach. I wanna know about him, his resume and what he's gonna do regarding having meetings and setting the proper expectations regarding what's gonna be required of them during the off season. To me, this is the most important thing at the moment.
If we can lock that part down, then I'll feel much better and no longer nervous. Based on the meeting, I'm feeling confident Leach is gonna lock that part down.
Funny thing is ... some people question me about why I like Shoop so much and I've explained it with stats too many times. I don't get the Grantham love. I like Grantham a lot but on 3rd down and long or late in game, he predictable as hell. And he don't hide what he's fixing to do either. Damn fine DC tho but I think there are many more at his level than there are at Shoop's level.
ETA: Course Grantham runs a 3-4 which a lot of folks love. But I think against spread offenses, 4-2-5 is better. But Shoop mixes those up some here and there too.
that's cool man. Again, I don't have any insider info. I'm just wondering why it's a dead issue when his son is playing at The Dude. I realize it's a stretch but maybe it's a topic worthy of discussion? Does Homedawg talk to Grantham's agent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmabull
Well let me startQuote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
1- he didn't get our job twice
2- he has a better job
3- He makes more money and we can't out bid them
4- his son is a non baseball scholarship guy and there is no guarantee he will be here in 2, 3 years
5 - see number 1 and 2
6 I'd add more but you people wouldn't believe it anyway. He's not coming back as a DC.
7 I know him.
No one should have a problem with retaining Shoop. I'd be all for it but it seems he's not on "the list" of those being retained?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Thanks Homedawg, that should about settle it. Count me in as a believer. I'm sure Leach will do what he feels best regarding the DC position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
It’s just the topic has been brought up and discussed numerous times. Not as bad as “hire Hud” threads, but getting there. His son playing baseball here is irrelevant to him taking a drop in prestige from FL, who can match any salary we can offer and then some, especially after we have passed him over twice attempting to become our HC. And how does him coaching football in Florida keep him from watching his son possibly play for us in baseball? He can fly up anytime he has a break and has the means to do so as much as he wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Leach is going to hire the DC and then let him hire who he wants for defensive side of ball. Leach trust his coaches to do their job. He will cover everything with the DC candidates and then let the person hired do his job.
The right thing to do is tell the coaches on staff that they do not have a job as of now. I suspect we might bring back TBuck and Tony. Most of Leach’s offensive staff will come with him.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brahmabull
If we can pull Strong he's the guy. Shoop is a very nice fallback option.
Spot on. This is the reality, and it?s a damn good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
^^^^ still alive^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Missed ya
Agreed. Good to see you on here again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Well I'll be damn, look what the cat brought in. Welcome back. So you think Shoop might stay if The Pirate wants him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
There's a chance he could be back. I'm hoping to get the Strong deal done.
Strong would be huge for recruiting purposesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
How high would you go salary-wise on the offer to Strong? That’d be one hell of a pull!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think Strong would be a legit addition at DC/Sgt at Arms,,, dude, is a disciplinarian from what I recall... and you'll need him to be if y'all wanna entertain the thought of bringin' a cat like Franks aboard your ship...
$1.5-1.75 would be my ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
$1.5 would fetch em up and be a good value, IMO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Good to have you back. Why do you like Strong over Shoop? Recruiting? Cause looking at final finishes in total D I still like Shoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I like the fact that Strong runs a 3-3-5 defense.