Going to Need some help getting on board with Sark...

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Originally Posted by hacker

It's a slightly changed copy/paste from SPS, but I agree. He also left off:

It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.

PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes

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Most people making fun of his past issues with alcohol are hypocrites..... I know better..... I'm okay with my drinking

Maybe Cohen is looking for someone with a similar career as Kiffen but with an alcohol problem added in.

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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55

He was a QB in college, QB coach on the legendary 2004 USC staff, and QB coach for a Raiders team that threw for 4K yards, so QB development should be good.

He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 11 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season. That's taking a product worse than what Croom gave Mullen and emerging with about the same results.

He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him. People who say "he only went 9-3 at USC so what!!!" don't know what they're talking about.

After a year in the wilderness as an analyst (under Saban though), his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.

He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.

He runs a multiple and varied spread offense so I expect he will be able to adapt it to our offensive personnel.

He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.

His second recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class and second in the nation overall. His first Washington class was BAD (coming off 0-12 season) but were all top 25 after that.

He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run

He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.

This could be a fantastic under the radar hire. Also, it will make the egg bowl extra spicy.

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Great post! Have some rep

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

4-23 vs top 25. His metrics aren?t great if you ask guys like Jake Wimberly or Dave Bartoo. I?m not real excited about this. All that said, it?s better than Moorehead but so is 2-day our cat puke on Bourbon street.

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You are basing your opinion on what those two guys say?

Sark has head coaching experience at better programs than MSU and after being Saban's offensive analyst was OC for the Falcons then OC for Nick Saban. So coaching and recruiting experience at 3 big time programs, including Bama. Saban doesn't hire just anyone to be his OC. Sark has a lot more experience than anyone on our list or of AFAIK any hire this offseason, and he's only 45 years old.

Whether he is a fit for State or not, I don't know, but he was a fit for Saban. Twice.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

I'm neither "dumping on" nor making light of his issues. You say past issues, but addiction is a disease that you can't cure. You manage it. Every. single. day. For the rest of your life. Yes, he seems to have been clean for a long time, and that's great. But it IS a fair concern. He may manage it for the rest of his life, and I hope he does, whether he comes here or not. But it will never be gone.

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First of all, I was just pasting the rest of the post BulldogDX55 copied from SPS.

That said, I agree. I'm personally familiar with the issue, actually. Coming up on 3 years clean. I'm glad I wasn't judged for my problem and I was able to continue my career. I feel like I'm even better at it now.

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Originally Posted by defiantdog

He's a great offensive coach. The falcons were good his first year then not so good his second year (and not so good this year - May just be personnel issue with them)..... he's no Grantham when it comes to discipline of a football team either..... also, he's not a bad recruiter but doesn't like recruiting. I've been told this several times by folks at Bama.

It's a good hire because he is a good coach..... we need some really good recruiters to support him...... I really liked Napier because he has a really good supporting cast..... I'm not sure who Sarkisian will bring with him.

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Actually the offense was better in 2018 than in 2017 for the falcons.

2017
Total Yards- 5837 / 364.8
Passing - 3990/ 249.4
Rushing - 1847/115
Points-353/22.1

2018
Total Yards- 6226/389
Passing- 4653/290
Rushing- 1573/98
Points- 414/25.9

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

4-23 vs top 25. His metrics aren’t great if you ask guys like Jake Wimberly or Dave Bartoo. I’m not real excited about this. All that said, it’s better than Moorehead but so is 2-day our cat puke on Bourbon street.

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Bartoo loved Moorhead

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Originally Posted by hacker

It's a slightly changed copy/paste from SPS, but I agree. He also left off:

It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.

PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes

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Great point. He had a lot of stress and others issues going on in his life back then when all that came about. Saban would have never hired him if he thought it was an issue or would be a recurring one. People make mistakes in life, other than some posters on message boards it seems. I bet some will keep on harping on this, when it should be a moot point, but some like to talk about the negative things about our athletic programs but this should not be in the discussion.

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Originally Posted by hacker

First of all, I was just pasting the rest of the post BulldogDX55 copied from SPS.

That said, I agree. I'm personally familiar with the issue, actually. Coming up on 3 years clean. I'm glad I wasn't judged for my problem and I was able to continue my career. I feel like I'm even better at it now.

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Congrats.

I have watched my best friend deal with it for almost 10 years. It is crushing to watch, and it has not turned out well for him.

Also he is a great recruiter. Bryce Young Alabama's star recruit this class has gone on record and said that he is at Bama because of Sark. I am not saying this is a transfer type guy but He can get top talent.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bartoo loved Moorhead

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Bartoo is the kind of guy that looks in the mirror every morning and says "I'd **** me."

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Bartoo loved Moorhead

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That's pretty much case closed. Bartoo comes up with hard and fast conclusions on very complicated issues with so many human variables based on an analytical formula using mostly subjective data.

Analytics are great, but they're garbage in garbage out, and I just don't think what he's trying to do uses objective enough data to be reliable in any way.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Great point. He had a lot of stress and others issues going on in his life back then when all that came about. Saban would have never hired him if he thought it was an issue or would be a recurring one. People make mistakes in life, other than some posters on message boards it seems. I bet some will keep on harping on this, when it should be a moot point, but some like to talk about the negative things about our athletic programs but this should not be in the discussion.


Since you apparently copied and pasted I'm more curious to know why you left those off too?

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Just to be clear, this was the whole post on SPS. In my original reply, I was wondering why BulldogDX55 left off the sobriety stuff because it's important.




It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.

He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 6 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season.

He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him.

After a year in the wilderness, his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.

He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.

No, he doesn't exclusively run pro style. Have you people not watched a single Bama game this year?

He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.

His first recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class

He was a QB in college, so I'd assume he knows a thing or two about the position.

He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run

He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.

He might not have been your first choice, but this is still a great hire and anyone who is already shitting on this decision doesn't know anything about the guy.

PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes

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Originally Posted by hacker

It's a slightly changed copy/paste from SPS, but I agree. He also left off:

It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.

PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes

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Oh hey, I wrote that post on SPS, I just have different user names.

I reposted it in a few different places and made slight edits depending on the audience. I think I left that line off here because I didn't see anything attacking his alcoholism in this thread though I absolutely stand by that statement.

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Originally Posted by Sienfield

Maybe Cohen is looking for someone with a similar career as Kiffen but with an alcohol problem added in.

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We definitely need more posters like you on ED.****

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Originally Posted by hacker

Just to be clear, this was the whole post on SPS. In my original reply, I was wondering why BulldogDX55 left off the sobriety stuff because it's important

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That was me. See my above reply to hacker

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Originally Posted by hacker

Just to be clear, this was the whole post on SPS. In my original reply, I was wondering why BulldogDX55 left off the sobriety stuff because it's important.




It's gross how many of you are dumping on his sobriety issues. He's been clean for about five years now.

He took Washington from a dumpster fire that won 6 games in 5 seasons to a team that averaged 7.5 wins per season.

He did the best a first year USC coach has ever done before his alcoholism caught up with him.

After a year in the wilderness, his Atlanta offense didn't do great, but many believe that he was just the scapegoat for an awful Dan Quinn.

He's been tearing it up under Saban- which isn't exactly hard with those athletes- but he's statistically better than Kiffin was under the same circumstances, and before he left Saban to become the Falcons OC (but before coming back) he is the one who found Tua.

No, he doesn't exclusively run pro style. Have you people not watched a single Bama game this year?

He has connections across the country, so I expect him to put a strong staff together.

His first recruiting class at USC was stronger than any Kiffin class

He was a QB in college, so I'd assume he knows a thing or two about the position.

He's had three years under Saban to at least watch how a top flight program is run

He's still only 45 years old and is chomping at the bit for another chance.

He might not have been your first choice, but this is still a great hire and anyone who is already shitting on this decision doesn't know anything about the guy.

PS: reiterating again that those making fun of his past issues with alcohol are a bunch of assholes

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That last sentence wasn't in reference to your post. I saw where he had responded to you and then I deleted my last sentence.