I Just Realized How Out on Moorhead I am

To be honest I completely forgot we were playing A&M a few weeks ago until my A&M buddy texted me in 4th quarter. That’s where my apathy is. Only been to two games all year after watching the shit show debacle last year. This is the 12th football season since I graduated college and prior to this year I have averaged attending 9.5 games a season. Two of the seasons I attended all 13 games, home and away. I have had 8 season tickets for years and gridiron passes since year one and I have never felt this much apathy towards a MSU athletic program. Even the Rick Ray Experiment and Slytanic years were not this bad. If Cohen cannot read the situation and rid us of this cancerous head coach, Cohen needs to get a package deal with the moving company and get the hell out too.

Go look at StubHub and wait for the 10’s of people at the game this weekend. If a change isn’t made, we will have a new coach and AD November 2020.

There is only 1 thing that gives me hope in this whole situation - Gary Henderson.

The decision to retain Gary Henderson as permanent baseball HC might be the toughest decision faced by an MSU AD in decades. Long time assistant coach with stops at 3 top programs; former national assistant coach of the year; former SEC Coach of the Year; former assistant coach for the AD making the decision. Henderson had not just salvaged a season from an absolute train wreck, he took that train wreck and steered it on a miracle run to the CWS and earned National Coach of the Year from 2 organizations.
The most MSU thing ever would have been taking the easy road and making Henderson the HC - it would have been justifiable, there was pressure to do it, it would have been a "feel good" story like MSU likes to be, it would have been the way MSU has always done things, but deep down the powers that be knew that for the long term health of the program we needed more than what Henderson could give.

I know baseball and football aren't the same. I know there are different wizards behind the curtain for each one. But, MSU is one of the handful of schools where a non-football sport might actually be the most important "face" of the school (think Duke or UK in basketball). The fact that we did what was best for baseball gives me hope we may do the same for football. It's probably unrealistic - but I've got to cling to something.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

There is only 1 thing that gives me hope in this whole situation - Gary Henderson.

The decision to retain Gary Henderson as permanent baseball HC might be the toughest decision faced by an MSU AD in decades. Long time assistant coach with stops at 3 top programs; former national assistant coach of the year; former SEC Coach of the Year; former assistant coach for the AD making the decision. Henderson had not just salvaged a season from an absolute train wreck, he took that train wreck and steered it on a miracle run to the CWS and earned National Coach of the Year from 2 organizations.
The most MSU thing ever would have been taking the easy road and making Henderson the HC - it would have been justifiable, there was pressure to do it, it would have been a "feel good" story like MSU likes to be, it would have been the way MSU has always done things, but deep down the powers that be knew that for the long term health of the program we needed more than what Henderson could give.

I know baseball and football aren't the same. I know there are different wizards behind the curtain for each one. But, MSU is one of the handful of schools where a non-football sport might actually be the most important "face" of the school (think Duke or UK in basketball). The fact that we did what was best for baseball gives me hope we may do the same for football. It's probably unrealistic - but I've got to cling to something.

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I hope you right but ... if we win out I think it'll be hard to fire Joe.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I hope you right but ... if we win out I think it'll be hard to fire Joe.

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True. If we beat AC and OM and win the bowl game, we will not only be 7-6, but we will have won 4 of our last 5 games. That would be a tough call to fire a coach because it looks like he showed improvement over the 2nd half of the season.

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

True. If we beat AC and OM and win the bowl game, we will not only be 7-6, but we will have won 4 of our last 5 games. That would be a tough call to fire a coach because it looks like he showed improvement over the 2nd half of the season.

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I think he needs to go regardless but don't think he will if that happens.

the lost revenue next fall from low ticket sales, hotel bookings, tailgate food suppliers will tell the tale if he stays. If he had Saban's team currently, they would be 6-4

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Originally Posted by timotheus

If he had Saban's team currently, they would be 6-4

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That's ridiculous. He has proven what his offense can do with good players, and those players (except maybe the RB) weren't nearly as good as what Bama has.

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

True. If we beat AC and OM and win the bowl game, we will not only be 7-6, but we will have won 4 of our last 5 games. That would be a tough call to fire a coach because it looks like he showed improvement over the 2nd half of the season.

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Except to anyone that actually watches the games. I will say that actually winning a bowl game over a quality opponent would be a good start. Winning 3 games over a FCS team and 2 teams with losing records doesn't scream Improvement. It just looks like you got to a spot in your schedule that you could just let talent win games and not have the coaching lose them.

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

That's ridiculous. He has proven what his offense can do with good players, and those players (except maybe the RB) weren't nearly as good as what Bama has.

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I don't know any halfway decent coach who wouldn't win at least 8 games with Bama's talent. I will say that he has shown that he will lose to teams even if he has a talent advantage. Our 2018 team had a talent advantage over everyone but Bama. I don't care if Fitz didn't fit what he wanted to do on offense because our offense is worse and basically all we did was replace Fitz with all world talent Tommy Stevens.

Joe can screw it up, there is no doubt in my mind. If he took the current Bama team to a 8-4 record, he'd be run out of town.

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Originally Posted by timotheus

Joe can screw it up, there is no doubt in my mind. If he took the current Bama team to a 8-4 record, he'd be run out of town.

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I could probably coach the current Bama team to a better record than that, and I've never coached anything except youth soccer. Joe would do well with them along with every other person of average IQ who has ever had much contact with the game. Talent matters more than coaching.