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No tourney requirement for 4 seasons? If he can't make it in 4 years that means he can't recruit for shit and should be gone. I will choose to believe that a reason we had to settle for Rick Ray was because people did not want to take on a rebuilding project so it should be easier to get a decent coach after Ray does the transitional work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
This doesn't sound good. Knew going in it would be a bad year, but i was hoping to compete with schools like this.
Hey, Jarod Haase knows basketball and was tenured by Roy Williams. He was a star at Kansas and won national championships at North Carolina as an assistant. His resume is ten fold better then Ray's.
Yep and in a sport we absolutely dominated Ole Miss in (which is basketball) that hire assured us that they will close the gap and surpass us. I am surprised no one has mentioned this.
I am definitely for giving Ray a chance. I am happy with 16+ wins this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by quickstrike2
So basketball has to boil down to essentially how well Ole Miss is doing? If Ole Miss is your barometer for success in basketball you are really really aiming low. Ole Miss made the tourney for the first time in a decade last season and they will go back to not making the tourney this season. Andy Kennedy is still a mediocre coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
It's not a barometer for success. My point was we dominated Mississippi in recruiting for basketball. We just gave that in for Ole Miss and even Southern Miss to creep in. Heck our barometer for success with Ray it seems is just to be mediocre and Stans did that as his floor. Seems stupid to me.
Wow 4 classes and he has't been here but 1 year, amazing. The first class was really last year, this will be the second. What he was left with when he got here was a frigging mess. I would say technically he is about to sign his 3rd. (Stans had already signed or had commits first year).Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
It's a ****ing scrimmage guys and we have injured players that didn't play. Basing opinions off of a closed door scrimmage is ruhtarded. Can we make it to game 1 before we want Ray canned atleast
Stansbury had a nice run but he had lost whatever he had before and was regressing. It was time to replace him. Hopefully we will do that sooner rather than later with football. As far as MS recruiting a lot of Stansburys best players did not come from MS.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
We didn't blow up our basketball program. In hindsight, yes Stansbury was given a year too long, but I don't think you can call that "exploding" the basketball program. If we had fired Stansbury a year earlier, I'm not sure we're any better off except that we're a year further into rebuilding. Maybe the roster would have looked more attractive to potential coaches, but not giving Stansbury another year to turn it around would have potentially scared away good candidates just as much as the state of our roster when we hired Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by drunkernhelldawg
The fact of the matter is we were in a shitty decision. The fact that the program imploded after giving Stansbury an extra year does not mean we exploded it by not firing him sooner. At the time, it was an entirely defensible decision and it isn't even clearly wrong with hindsight.
lmao- Ray got the job 18 months ago. He found some scraps to bring that Spring. He has had 1 recruiting class so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
That's a pretty ugly agenda you got on your shoulder there
SMDH
People, might as well wake up and smell the coffee, our days of dominating anybody in football or basketball recruiting appear to be sadly coming to a close. Maybe I'm off but appears to me that for us being totally clean is much more important than being competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
it wasn't "change for the sake of change" though. stans was not getting it done period. he wasn't recruiting like he did earlier in his tenure, and the better players he was signing were increasingly likely to be headcases. we literally ran the exact same offense since i was in HS. i could draw up our plays and i'm not even a huge basketball nerd that analyzes that kinda stuff. we could never really grab a strangle hold on the sec west despite being the most talented team in the west among a bunch of schools that didn't care all that much about improving their basketball over the past decade. stans should have been putting up 12-4 or better conference records nearly every year over the 7 or 8 years of his tenure, but instead he'd inexplicably lose 3-4 games that we had no business losing, and we'd go 8-8 or 9-7 or 10-6 and be on the bubble with several bad Ls on our resume.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
sure we all knew there was a chance we would take a major step back with stans, but we also knew we were pretty much never going to be anything but a bubble team with headcases up and down the bench moving forward with stans. sure it provides a little excitement but ultimately it ****ing sucked. so it was time to do something. maybe it works out or maybe it doesn't but we weren't winning shit without a change. if ray doesn't work out, then we make another hire in a few years.
I thought it was the 2nd string QB? Just imagine how good we'd be with a replacement coach and our best QB on the bench!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Good post dawgs
Stains problem was me me me me me and me me me off the benchQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
This is what I never understand. If you are gonig to fire a coach for not meeting your expectations, why do those expectations CHANGE when you bring in a new coach? Stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
because we had a gutted roster and he didn't have a fair shot to bring in even low end major conference caliber recruits to fill it out the recruiting class in the spring signing period? i think everyone expects there to be improvement this season because (1) all our best players last season were freshmen and should be improved and (2) we won't be relying on walk ons to be our 6th and 7th men during much of the conference season.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
Well maybe if we made a splash hire, we could have kept Rodney Hood. To me that would have been a great center piece to attract a great young coach from a mid-major. Instead Stricklin screwed up the hire and we ended up with a guy no one had heard of before. As I said previously, UAB made a better hire then we did. Heck, South Carolina even made a better hire and they are basketball purgatory. We had a top five SEC job and hired for a 14th spot. So in fact Stricklin did blow up the basketball program.
Hey, with that schedule he has even a lame brain would win 15 games. To me, an 18+ win season possibly changes my mind. The schedule we have has to be one of the easiest we have ever had even for Stansbury standards.
the expectations overall do not change. they remain the same AFTER the new coach is given an actual chance to clean up the mess. every one of you understands this, so I can't understand why anyone continues to pretend otherwise. the time required for the cleanup is debatable, but to suggest he shouldn't get any time to actually clean it up is silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDawg
Ah, I get it now. In your eagerness to run down everything associated with your scapegoat, in this case the AD, you are willing skip over actual facts, resort to "maybes", toss out complete unknowns as "facts", and generally make shit up in order to complete the circle and "validate" your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully01
I love how every single thread gets transformed into a talk about our administration. I can't wait for some dawg hoops. Excited to see what we look like this year even if we did lose a scrimmage to UAB.
Tough crowd.
I think I will just hide and watch.