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Originally Posted by TrapGame
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I'm all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Fitz was a hell of a football player, unfortunately they don't give awards to qb's that rush for record yards. Nobody cares about that except the respective fans. Which is terrible.
Well we certainly have a proud tradition of great QBs here, so yeah, we should trash one of our better ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I trust Steve?s opinion like I trust a Taco Bell fart. We?ll be better on offense because we can?t really be worse. The rest is a guess.
Come on, there's a huge difference between "trashing" a player and pointing out how his shortcomings might have contributed to problems we're hoping to resolve going forward. The former shouldn't be tolerated, but complaining about the latter is no different than trying to suppress negativity about the future.
Our DL will get exposed in the middle against LSU, Bama and probably Auburn. We should have the best offense since '14 or '15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I'm not trashin, I'm stating that we had a record breaking football player that got little to no respect around the the land. And may never get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
On the previous page, a poster pretty said fitz is stupid, and didn't study his play book. Exactly what evidence is there to support this? Is that trashing or pointing out shortcomings?Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
I never said legitimate trashing doesn't happen, and it shouldn't. But in my observation, what's at this point harmless criticism for the sake of discussion usually gets lumped into the same category.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Wrong 7, not trashing nor anywhere saying he was stupid, it's a known fact he was a party dude? Why do you think he was suspended?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What's stupid is you saying someone called him stupid.
This exact thing cost us a win against LSU in 2015. There has been plenty of times that it happened under Mullen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I think more than anything Fitz was behind the 8 ball going into the year. We switched from a run first QB offense to a pass first look. That is going to go against some of his instincts that Mullen had drilled into him. Add in that he lost a step from the injury and wasn't able to take live reps in the new offense until August and it was a tough job. Fitz didn't have the experience at QB that a lot of people have at that stage of his career. He was only a starting QB for his senior year and even then it was in a triple option.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
It was a tough task and Fitz did ok but a lot of our issues was in the lack of passing game. There was big issues either finding the open man or the WR actually catching the ball when it got there. Plenty of blame to go around including the head coach but QB was an issue in last year's offense. That said, Fitz was an absolute warrior and carried the team with his legs a lot of the last 3 years. Sometimes he tried to do too much but at the end of the day, he was just trying to win games for MSU. He definitely doesn't deserve to get run down all the time but neither does Moorhead.
Or maybe he thinks he has multiple TEs and just wants to get his best players on the field. At least I hope that is what is going on. I have only seen one year where that happened and CJ Sirmones is still wide open for a TD. That guy could have played in the NFL if he kept his head on straight. He was a better receiver than Donald Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
We have 2nd year coach and an un-proven QB who couldn't win the job at PSU. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Man, don't bother... it's like talking to a wall. They'll be eating crow soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
That is definitely more of the optimist. Our offense might improve but we have Auburn and A&M on the road to go with LSU and Bama at home. We have rarely won any of those games in our history and all of those teams could have a top 15 type defense. Mullen rarely scored double digits against those type of defenses so I wouldn't expect much more from Moorhead.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
The same ppl dead set against putting any of the blame on Fitz are the same that'll be crediting Tommy for "saving" JoMo's job... watch.
Same people think we somehow could have kept Mullen and won a National Title last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
You realize that's only comparing this year to three seasons, one of which we were pretty bad and went 5-7 in the regular season, one where we were pretty good on offense but got demolished by good defenses on the road, and one where we were pretty decent but were ineffective against good defenses. That's not exactly a high bar to clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Moorhead gets trashed here daily, totally unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Perhaps so, but 7-figure salaries make you open game imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
I wish the damn season would start so we can stop discussing last season. Either JoMo is the guy or he isn't but man hearing every reason in the book why he is a failure is getting old at this point.
Hail State!
First we'd have to beat Kirby's defense and that's not gonna happen with Mullen at the helm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I?d like to qualify which fan I am .... (in response to ?same fans?)
I?m a ....
It was time for Mullen to go. He wanted out. The fan base had lost that loving feeling.
We could have won 9-10 last year with Mullen. We weren?t beating Bama. Doesn?t matter. See above.
Fitz was a good athlete and QB. JoMo asked him to do to much.
JoMo is a helluva hire for MSU. Smart coach that.... IMO... has a complicated system for college football. Considering practice time limitations and the type guy we usually have at QB at MSU.
I hope JoMo is here a long time.
LSU and Bama and AU will expose our DL because they almost always do.... year after year
anyways..... HailState.
Auburn hasn't exposed shit for us the past 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I don't get the AU love. Gus is an average coach. They are starting a true freshman at QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
How can you expect the offense to progress if you are skeptical about who is calling it?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Fitz was a good hard nosed kid that thrived under Mullen and could not run Joes offense with a few practices to get ready. It is no character assassination. It is simply observable fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This has never been a black white choice. You insisting on being personally insulted whenever this is mentioned is your choice. It says nothing about the validity of the comments.
I didn't say it would be good. We were 119th in the country last season vs conf teams in total offense. There are 129 conf teams (92nd percentile for conf games futility). If we crack the top 100, that's a "nice" progression, but still not goodQuote:
Originally Posted by gravedigger
How did the offense do overall? PPG?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This is an example of picking and choosing stats to fit your narrative.
Because here's the thing- if our offense is that bad- it's not going to work against OOC teams either. See Croom.
I'm thinking out loud but keeping it to myself. I'll let ya'll know after 7 or 8 games if I was right or wrong.
About our team this year.
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Originally Posted by Percho
And our coach.
When I am sitting in my seat at the Outback Bowl and we run four verts and there are TWO WR's running by themselves and the QB chooses to throw to the guy that's triple covered.....that's not on the scheme or the coach that called the play.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
68th in PPG... tied with vandy. Vs fbs teams only, 80thQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
We likely had the most difficult schedule in the country vs conference teams' defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah Bc they played us they had better stats....Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
Example. I'm gave up 4+ yards per rush. We avg and grand total of 2.0....
What is more likely a top flight OC forgot how to coach or he sinply had a bad season with a team limited on the offensive side of the ball. I imagine we see a big progression this season. SEC didn't make him forget how to coach.
No, nothing to do with playing us. We played UK, UF, Bama, LSU, Auburn, and even A&M. They had tough defenses against everyone, not just us. Even though we also played Ark and OM, no one in the country faced overall tougher conference defenses than State. Yes, we could have played better offense against them, but it's not right to use a ranking vs the whole country when the whole country played easier defenses than us. Against easier defenses, we moved the ball fairly easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Moorhead is a good offensive coach and has proven it everywhere he has been. To only use 2018 MSU and only against the toughest defenses in the country as evidence he is not a good offensive coach is ignorant.
What??? Uk defense gave up 4.1 a carry for the YEAR. We avg 2.0 against them 2.1 below their avg. if we avg 4.1 their avg would have been higher. In other words we helped them and fla have better stats than they would have cause we couldn't move the ball. It's not complicated. Spin it how you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedDawg
Average SEC defense is probably a top 25 unit but we will be better than average. Some on here are flipping out just for the sake of flipping out and others are just stirring the pot. I'll say it again, if the DTs are the worst part of our team, we are going to be pretty good bc we have talent at DT. Worst case scenario we still have LL and ET at ILB. That is a good group with some talent behind them. A good safety group and our best CB duo in years...I am far more concerned about the offense and from all accounts it will be better. Stevens is good. The OL is good and we have a good RB duo. That is a good team as is not counting the TEs and an improved (hopefully) WR groupQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame