Dak - Turned down contract for 30m/year.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

By listing the ones above him, you seem to think it should be performance based. Do you think dak is a top 5 Qb?

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I wouldn't say that but it also depends on what you value in a QB. Do you want someone that is going to be the example you point to when you talk about your team? Someone that works harder than anyone else and motivates your team to improve. Someone that seems to give you confidence in the 4th quarter that you can win the game? By those metrics then he might be a top 5 QB.

How many QBs on that list would you rather have in the 4th quarter? I would say Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, and Big Ben. The rest are at best a push to me. As far as the rest of what I talked about, only Brady and Brees are better at everything else. If you are drafting a QB, do you take Dak, Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, or Andrew Luck? I take Dak out of that group.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I wouldn't say that but it also depends on what you value in a QB. Do you want someone that is going to be the example you point to when you talk about your team? Someone that works harder than anyone else and motivates your team to improve. Someone that seems to give you confidence in the 4th quarter that you can win the game? By those metrics then he might be a top 5 QB.

How many QBs on that list would you rather have in the 4th quarter? I would say Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, and Big Ben. The rest are at best a push to me. As far as the rest of what I talked about, only Brady and Brees are better at everything else. If you are drafting a QB, do you take Dak, Matthew Stafford, Kirk Cousins, or Andrew Luck? I take Dak out of that group.

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I'm more cut and dry... I want the qb that has the best passer rating/qbr.

Top qbr in 2018:
1. Mahomes
2. Brees
3. Trubisky
4. Ben
5. Luck
6. Brady

Passer rating:
1. Brees
2. Mahomes
3. Wilson
4. Ryan
5. Rivers
6. Watson

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm more cut and dry... I want the qb that has the best passer rating/qbr.

Top qbr in 2018:
1. Mahomes - Agree
2. Brees - Agree but he also has maybe 3-4 years left
3. Trubisky - Haven't seen enough for me personally
4. Ben Agree but see Brees, Ben also is one of the guys that has rubbed people the wrong way including that chick he sexually assaulted
5. Luck - Don't agree - I don't think he is any better at Dak at anything except getting injured
6. Brady See Brees

Passer rating:
1. Brees
2. Mahomes
3. Wilson - He is basically an older version of Dak and is getting $32-$35 Mil per year
4. Ryan _ Dude is trash in the redzone and is anticlutch in the 4th quarter
5. Rivers Puts up better passing stats. Good QB but hasn't proven much in the actual Win column. Also on the downside of his career
6. Watson - Has been good when he isn't injured so maybe

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Only a few on that list I would take over Dak if I had to build a team for the long term and not just this year. It will be interesting to see what Dallas's offense looks like now that Linehan and his 80s NFL playcalling are gone.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Only a few on that list I would take over Dak if I had to build a team for the long term and not just this year. It will be interesting to see what Dallas's offense looks like now that Linehan and his 80s NFL playcalling are gone.

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Man, if you can guarantee me 3-4 more good years of Brees, I'll kiss the ring for Moorhead haha. I expect this to be the last year for drew, and it saddens me

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Man, if you can guarantee me 3-4 more good years of Brees, I'll kiss the ring for Moorhead haha. I expect this to be the last year for drew, and it saddens me

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I think it depends on how injury free he is and whether he either gets a ring this year or has a chance next year. Brees is my favorite non MSU player ever and I am somewhat a Falcons fan although I have never been a diehard fan of any NFL team.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Only a few on that list I would take over Dak if I had to build a team for the long term and not just this year. It will be interesting to see what Dallas's offense looks like now that Linehan and his 80s NFL playcalling are gone.

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Long term Mahomes, Luck, Watson, & Wilson would be ahead of Dak.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Long term Mahomes, Luck, Watson, & Wilson would be ahead of Dak.

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It is hard to judge a QB since some benefit from an offense and great playcalling. Also if you look at Dak, last year he had a subpar Oline for most of the year and no WR that would have started for any other team. Dallas getting Cooper and Smith at LT getting healthier changed their entire Offense. When Dak is able to use his legs then he is a top 10 QB in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I didn't say dak shouldn't try to get his. And basically you are agreeing w me. I said they haven't won w dak and zek being on the cheap. Now part of that is due to bad deals in the past eating up dead cap money. That's bad management as you said and that's what I'm saying.

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Gotcha, I still believe Dak should get all he can. This situation is a great recruiting tool for the university right now.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

It is hard to judge a QB since some benefit from an offense and great playcalling. Also if you look at Dak, last year he had a subpar Oline for most of the year and no WR that would have started for any other team. Dallas getting Cooper and Smith at LT getting healthier changed their entire Offense. When Dak is able to use his legs then he is a top 10 QB in my opinion.

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I think Dak is in that 10-15 range of QB's. He's a very good, dependable playoff QB. He's going to get paid Top 5 QB money because it's his go around on the carousel.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

I think Dak is in that 10-15 range of QB's. He's a very good, dependable playoff QB. He's going to get paid Top 5 QB money because it's his go around on the carousel.

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I could agree with that.