Fitz was a top 20 QB nationally in qbr both years before Moorhead. He was school record 6 time sec player of the week. In 2016 and 2017, he was 3rd in the sec in total offense. Leaves school as the leading rusher ever in the sec. The disrespect our fanbase gives this kid is terrible. Kid got his leg broke out there trying to win games for jerks like youQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
John Bond hops in Corvette after game in Jackson to go party in Athens = MSU living legend, epitome of 80's ballerQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Nick Fitz visits girlfriend in offseason = slacker who doesn't care
Nick Fitz - suspended for a meaning less name for unknown rules violation = lacks leadership skills
KT, probable QB starter, rumored since February to be missing multiple games for academic dishonesty = little criticism from board (until Stevens transferred in)
It amazes me sometime how contradictory our fans can be (and Todd - I'm not attributing these other comments to you specifically, just general board opinions over the years)
No coach ever has labeled a strip of the ball as flukey. Auburn guy didn?t just drop the ball, he was hit and stripped of the football. That?s not flukey. That?s a football play teams practice daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Agree. Mullen recruited a slew of guys who are in nfl now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yep, NFL is loaded with offensive guys from State *** You dumbasses who continue to bitch Moorhead?s offensive production last year at least need to be consistent with your straw grasping and whiningQuote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Look.... another thread hijacked for the sake of arguing about our receivers and other reasons we should be miserable leading up to this year in football. Same dead beat horse.
While the thread title is bringing more attention to the nickname than the poster even does in his posts, the topic has some how evolved into a 3 page thread about the same convers.... errrr argument.... you see on every other page you click on.
This season can't start soon enough.
Confucius, forgive him... he has no idea you're nowhere close to anti-Moorhead. I think he's a little slow. Just pray for himQuote:
Originally Posted by MrKotter
I have not seen anybody disrespect him. I defended him his whole time at MSU. That does not excuse the fact that he did not grasp the new system and was making horrible reads and late.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He is probably the 2nd best QB in school history. Had Mullen stayed he probably gives Dak a run for his moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
we could have kept our skeleton crew of Coaches that beat Louisville and won 10 last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
Fitz was a Warrior who left everything out on the field. He also didn't "get" Moorhead's offense. Fitz wasn't a consistent enough passer to run an offense that wasn't run option first. He is probably the best running QB in SEC history but his lack of experience throwing the ball really hurt the offense. Mullen's offense masked his deficiencies a lot better than Moorhead did although Joe did run a bastardized version later in the season to get Fitz at least comfortable. Even then Fitz never really ran the offense to its full potential. Fitz just had a whole lot stacked against him last year. Now if Stevens looks like Fitz did last year then it probably is the offense not working against the speed of SEC defenses. Fitz missed wide open guys all year the biggest example being the flea flicker against Bama so I am not sold on Moorhead's offense just not working as of right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You would definitely want to make a huge decision like that based on winning a game against the worst DC since Ron Cooper.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Q Weatherspoon says hello....Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It’s pretty much a MSU tradition for our fans to have a Ugly separation with the senior QB. Madkin is another grossly under appreciated former player.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Fitz is gone.
Last year is over .
Dan Mullen is gone. and he better win the east soon or he won’t be in Gainesville in a few years
Enjoy the upcoming season. We have some guys in place this year. We have some NFL talent (probably the most ever called come April) on the field.
Joe is in year 2 . He is getting his kind of guys here. We have some stud juco guys joining the program next year with some talented young kids. The OL and recruiting the OL talent is a huge improvement . We are getting Big time WR prospects to at least give us looks and showing interest. Defense is still recruiting at a SEC high level .
Just keep building the program and winning games...I’m sure the ****s up in Oxford would kill for what we have right now in football .. so ****ing enjoy it
And he had surgery and fought through an injury. He was also All SEC this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
And he's loved by our fanbase as he should beQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
That?s what staying somewhere for 9 years will get you. Imagine if the HS coaches actually liked him. That?s why so many of us knew that Dan had peaked. He hadn?t reach MSU?s ceiling, he had reached his ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well u just have been absent on the basketball recruiting threads the last 4 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Could be, but he matched his best season here in year 1 at Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
A veteran SEC coach has a good season in year one. Stop the presses.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I don't even think that's that good of a season at Florida. I just disagree with 10 wins being Mullen's ceilingQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Mullen won't be job hunting in November anymore. He'll win more games b/c of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
That's at UF. Sorry, but they have a stronger history in their program.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Right now he has the #13 class. All 4*s. Last year he had a top 10 class with 17 4*s. Those 2 years combined, he had 27 4* players....... added to what he walked into:
2018- 13 4*s
2017- 11 4*s
2016- 9 4*s
2015- 2 5*s and 2 4*s
That's pretty much 2 times the amount we were getting with him here. And I'm a fan of Mullen and you know from my post thought it was crazy to be calling for him to be gone.
BTW, fans at UF are already complaining about his recruiting and MS ST would kill for those types of numbers.
I don't dispute Mullen's ceiling at Florida is higher than here. He said Mullen had reached his (Mullen) ceiling. I'm not sure if our ceiling in today's sec west environment is NY6 here or not; but when considering ceilings, I think you have to consider if all the west reaches their ceilings where ours is. If you say our ceiling is playoffs, I think you have to acknowledge that meant LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama didn't reach their ceilings. So we need luck whereas others in the west don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
That's not what he was saying (I think). He's saying at Ms St, he had reached his ceiling. Mullen is a great coach. My opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
But he and some on his staff was not liked. I know a OL who went elsewhere because of Dan's man. Was a MSU fan and had been his whole life.
Agree. We play eachother and somebody is not going to win!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Then you have to approach our dropped passes the same way. Bottom line, we lost those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
And UF had an average recruiting ranking class of 15 over the past 5 years. MSU was probably 25-35. He walked into as much or more talent at UF top to bottom. We had 2 guys who played their way into the first with Simmons the only sure fire first round guy at the beginning of the year. UF had 2 guys play their way out of the 1st round with the DE actually bombing the interview process at the combine so bad he was removed from draft boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
People give Franks crap but he was more highly recruited than any QB on MSU's roster during Mullen's entire time.
Mullen went somewhere that helps cover his deficiency which is recruiting. You probably have to try to have a recruiting class outside the 25-30 at UF whereas at MSU that was around the best he did on average. UF has a higher average ceiling especially when you consider the East is easier on average.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
He is going to have to improve his recruiting to get past GA and keeping his fans happy. They believe they should have a top five class every year and that will get Mullen on the hot seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Considering that Bama has won 7 of the last 11 SECW titles, I'd say it requires some luck from any team to win the west that isn't named Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yep, they think Urban's top 1-5 classes are the worst they should do. Of course Urban also won 2 National Titles there also. Mullen probably has 3 years before he is on the hot seat for finishing outside of the Playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Correct. A ceiling with conditions on it isn't really a ceiling.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I only read the first 1.5 pages of this mess of a thread, but what if all of the following is true:
1. Mullen was good at recruiting some
Positions, but bad at others
2. Our receivers were a weak point, but other teams receivers make mistakes too
3. The jury can still be out on Joe, and he's shown both good and bad aspects
4. His offense was bad at times last season, but we also know that his system needs a 60% passer and receivers who catch so we don't know if it's entirely the systems fault
5. Fitz was a good qb for Mullen's system, but not a good QB for Joes
Not everything has to be black and white and set in stone. Nuance exists.
One thing for sure: anyone seriously comparing Joe to Croom is pants on the head stupid, but Joevester is just a silly nickname that any reasonable fan isn't using seriously.
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Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
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Is there any derogatory nicknames not allowed like Joevester or foam bat? What about Peaches?Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogDX55
What the hell is the OP talking about? Jovester hasn't been said more than a couple of times ever. It ain't exactly catching on.
Certain posters are using it in every one of their posts trying to get it to catch on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Have some Rep!Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogDX55