And now on top of that- we have threads like this one on why we should keep the obviously disinterested and declining football coach.
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And now on top of that- we have threads like this one on why we should keep the obviously disinterested and declining football coach.
FFS, can we just drop this? I'm about sick and tired of every single 17'ing week seeing a thread with, essentially, "FIRE MULLEN!!! HIRE HUD!!! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE IN A FLAMING BALL OF FIRE!!!" Look. I'm not in the Fire Mullen/Keep Mullen crowd. I'm not in the Hire HUD/ Forget HUD crowd. I'm just here to watch a few games and enjoy a good analysis of games. But obviously that's too damn much to ask on a message board. I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But we don't need to have a thread on every HUD game and break down how well/poor he would do in the SEC if he was our coach. We will cross that bridge when we come to it. But until then, CALM THE EVER LIVING SHIT DOWN. /rant. Excuse my french.
I agree this is a BAD thread. But we need something, somewhere to light a fire under Mullen's butt. Heck, lately he really acts lately like he is fine with winning, fine with losing. He used to at least act like he was determined to raise our program up to higher standards but no longer do I get that feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
give me a ****ing break with schedule bullshit. okie st lost to wvu. they didn't play all that great against us. we could have easily won that game, and if playing okie st instead of tulane is the difference between a good season and a bad season, then you don't understand what a good season is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Personally I don't think I've ever seen a Mullen MSU team that could have beaten a decent BCS conference team in the OPENING GAME. We never look like we are prepared when we open up the season. We should stick to SWAC teams or bad D-1 teams to open up with to sort out the kinks that we always have.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Funny enough 2009 was when we accomplished exactly what you say we can't.....beating a favored Ole Miss team when we were 4-7.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
BWA HA HA full circle indeed.
Maybe he know something we don't. I must add that this is absolutely pure speculation on my part.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
In the Dubose era. And it was the "right" thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
The 2009 team had tremendous heart. We saw it every week. That's been absent from mullen's last two teams here -- and I don't care what the excuse for it is -- it's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
I swear and does nobody see that we could end up doing to them exactly what they did to us last year? Though I prefer to have the 6th win before then. The Egg Bowl odds are in our favor anyway. I keep saying it...3rd -12th in SEC this year are beating each other up. This guaranteed UM Egg Bowl victory crap is getting old. If the players don't get up for another game but 1, it will be that one. If they can't get up for UM... then blame doom and gloom crap like this that so many people naively think the players aren't reading. Y'all are telling them they can't win the Egg Bowl, so don't be surprised when they come out of the field house half beaten already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
I'm not talking just about that. Playing on Thursday nights, going away from how to use the scoreboard to get the fans involved, gimmick uniforms, blindly supporting a coach because of past accomplishments alone, etc. It's the total package.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
I know it's the least important of the issues you mentioned and I don't even agree with all of 'em, but this is the one that drives me freaking crazy. But I'm a traditionalist asthetically. I like to have an identity as far as unis go. I give Oregon a pass because crazy uniforms that have little to do with their school colors is their identity. Somebody asked me about bidding on a pink helmet and I said I wouldn't be interested till it was maroon and white. Sadly, I think if enough time pases and they run out of shades of green they WILL wear a maroon and white uni some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
well i think i misread your use of "S.O.S." to mean "strength of schedule", not "same old shit". but to more directly answer to rest of your post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
i have no problem with a thursday night game after a bye. we have more than enough time to get healthy and prep for it, we still have 8 days to get healthy and prep for the next game, and we're the only CFB game on ESPN. fine by me.
the scoreboard shit sucks, but that's a problem across the country, college basketball, CFB, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, it doesn't matter. it is what it is at this point, but we definitely aren't doing somethings others aren't. i don't like it, but hard for me to focus my anger at our ath dept when apparently someone likes that shit since everyone else , college or pro, does it.
i don't care about uniforms. if you win, none of your fans care what you wear. if you lose, it's just something pissed off fans use to pile on.
if you think i blindly support mullen, then you haven't read my posts. i'm definitely not in the fire him now camp, i'm in the let's see what happens the rest of the season camp. and i've been pretty critical of a lot of things i'd like to see him change.
Well, technically there is the MTSU/Marshall game on Thursday as well which is of no concern- but even more pressing we will be competing with the NFL that night and Game 2 of the World Series. It's also a major inconvenience for our fans who have to work the next day and it also is a headache for recruits who either won't come because they want to focus on their high school game the next day or it gives them an opportunity to visit another school on Saturday. And then the JUCO's can't come because most of them are playing on Thursday night. I'm sure there are a lot of people that may not "mind it"- but I also believe that if you gave people a choice they would prefer Saturday. We can only accomplish so much with one extra day off- and I suspect we most likely would use it to rest players.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
The "scorebaord shit" doesn't go on at Bama, LSU, etc. It goes on and works in baseball because they know ahead of time that there are 9 defined innings with at least one and usually two distinct stoppages in play. Football isn't like that.
As far as the uniforms, I was referring to the Snow Bowl uniforms. We glorified an Independence Bowl victory. A game that marked the end of an era- and the beginning of a sharp decline. Because it snowed.
As far as you individually blindly supporting Dan- I wasn't referring to you or anyone as an individual blindly supporting Dan, but rather the entire group as a whole.
Wow at this bs. If the players are too mentally weak to take message board criticism, we're already screwed. Maybe you are right -- and that's why they fold at the first sign of adversity every time Mullen runs Bell's ass out there to shank another chip shot. Nice job of building in your excuses preemptively though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
When you face adversity, you either fight -- or you quit. I haven't seen a LICK of fight from anyone associated with our program in 2 years here, and I'm pissed off about it. I'm going to raise 14 kinds about that until someone on OUR team steps up and proves me(happily) wrong and hits someone in the mouth, puts their foot on their throat, and keeps it there for 4 quarters.
Coach content with mediocrity -- players content with mediocrity -- "fans" complaining at other fans that aren't accepting of less than 100% effort from coach and team... And somehow, this is the message boards' fault? LOL
Half of our SEC home games are on Thursday. Our ONLY TWO home Saturday SEC games are virtually guaranteed blowout losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
On our first SEC Saturday game, LSU, we were barred from having official recruiting visits to as part of our self-imposed sanctions. You can't really OV recruits on a Thursday game. This is especially true for JUCO guys looking to make decisions soon -- because they PLAY on Thursday and go to games on Saturdays. You also can't hardly OV recruits on Thanksgiving. So, that leaves us with ONE big home recruiting weekend -- against #1 Alabama -- where our fate in the game is all-but-sealed -- and the atmosphere won't be electric because no one believes we have a chance -- along with a jumbotron that will do commercials all game long when music should be playing.
And people wonder what is wrong with our recruiting? We can't get out of our own way on ANY level -- and it starts at the VERY TOP. Strick f'd Mullen, recruiting, and the fans with this schedule. For a little extra TV time? He might as well have taken a payday and moved our home games against Florida to Jacksonville**
well i haven't lived in or near the south in nearly a decade, so i haven't been to any sec road games in that long. i have been to other CFB games and i've been to pro games, and they do a lot of the same shit. goofy kiss cams, cartoon races, trivia, etc always sponsored by someone. the straight up commercials are definitely lame, and not as prevalent around the rest of the country, but definitely aren't limited to just msu either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
well i live 2500 miles away, so i am not as in tune with everything as some of yall, but that does make me change my opinion. i hadn't thought about it with relation to total sec home games, cruitin' visits, ncaa punishment, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
i guess my question is why was the lsu game chosen? did we choose that one ourselves? or were we told that was the game by the NCAA? if we self-imposed that game, then we are ****ing idiots. we should have self-imposed alcorn st or BGSU or tomorrow night even (knowing that a lot of players couldn't make it anyway).
but in general i don't mind a thursday night game after a bye week. in this specific situation, maybe not the best choice, but in general, i'm not opposed.
I'll try to find the specific ruling on the matter. Haven't seen it in awhile and am just going off memory on that.
Either way, we've got OVs lined up for days**
MSU OV list:
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-mkir-16kb.jpg
contrasted with our brothers to the north:
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/12222/m_...-2lwv-71kb.jpg
Per Scout, Ole Miss has ALREADY had 2 5* and 10 4*s OFFICIALLY visit -- with another 5* and 4 4*s on deck. MSU has had ZERO visits period -- with one 3* scheduled for MARCH.
Nothing to see here -- recruiting is going just fine**
All I'm saying is that I don't think the doom and gloom is called for yet. I go to almost every home game yell like a banshee at stupid coaching decisions and bad plays but for the most part leave it all "on the field." I don't think we are in a crisis and have to freak out when we haven't played in almost two weeks and in the meantime our rival has played and ULL has played twice. Hey, where's the fire? If we don't handle Kentucky then we have some smoke. I believe in giving our team and coaches a chance to respond to what has amounted to a gauntlet thrown down in front of them since BGSU before we concede the Golden Egg. For the record I believe we are going to win the Egg Bowl. I do not deal in prefabricated excuses. I'm expressing my frustration at what amounts to watching people run out of a theatre screaming "FIRE, FIRE!" only to walk into said theatre to discover a still-lit cigarette discarded on the carpet by a curtain. It's a problem that if left unfixed can lead to disaster but let's give the fire dept a chance before we panick.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Sorry for the rant and the anology. It's not really a board's fault of course (especially since not all of us are panicking) but that meltdown and Hudspeth NOW stuff.... DOES NOT HELP THE TEAM.
I'm vehemently against firing Mullen, but what exactly is going on here? Jesus, OM has 10 4*s left on their board?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
This^ is a strong post.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
What's going on is we're getting our asses TOTALLY dominated in recruiting. Last year could be dismissed as an outlier. This year can not.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
They've got 6 4*s in the boat. They've got 14 4*s and 3 5*s officially visiting BEFORE we've got our first OV of the year -- all of which they think there is some remote shot at -- and after last year, who can blame them. They are expected to get 4 more 4*s -- and that's with an average "close" -- not a rockstar close like they had last year.
Yes -- they are cheating. Yes -- they are being investigated. Yes -- they are going on probation with us. And yes -- they are recruiting at a level that, if sustained, puts them very close to the elite teams in our conference from a talent standpoint as soon as next season -- and certainly by 2015.
The sooner we face that reality, and come up with a gameplan for countering it, the better off we will be. I think "my" gameplan is pretty obvious at this point...
What they are doing is selling the SEC to players that normally go to Michigan, Nebraska and iowa.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
They are using that and the mystique of Oxford and playing the, "why go to Bama and do what has been done before, come here and do something special"
As diluted as their fans are, they genuinely have bought into the "why not us" attitude. It's something I wish we had. They have beaten Bama for 4 OL in the last 12 months. FOUR! They are going heads up with Bama on Hampton and heads up against FSU for Pack and though they are wasting their time, they are going after Green until the bitter end.
Mullen better be right about some of the commits we have on board, because he needs a class to come through big time.
Mullen very well could be, but do you guys really think he is this dumb? Do you really think they sit over in the football building throwing shoes at the wall out of anger because they can't figure out how OM gets so many visits from highly rated players? Do you really think they don't try and get players from Illinois, Michigan, etc to visit?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Guys, Mullen may be stubborn, but he isn't dumb. OM isn't using some mysterious recruiting strategy that no other school can figure out. They are paying players and offering benefits for players to visit. It's the only thing that makes sense. I can't imagine that Mullen and Co aren't attempting all the same recruiting strategies that OM is. All sports leagues are copy cat leagues.
After the Humphrey tweet a few weeks ago, I have started think that this recruiting problem has much less to do with Mullen than the alumni recruiting situation we have.
You guys give Freeze and his "recruiting strategy" WAY to much credit. I mean, have you guys heard Freezus talk. He comes across well, but he ain't no rocket scientist. He isn't outsmarting the entire college football world when it comes to recruiting.
Do you really think OM is recruiting well because their fans have bought in the "why not us" attitude?
Come on man, the main reason everyone on this board has been pissed all week is because the MSU fan base has the "why not us" attitude.
Doesn't OM already have 21 commits? How many more can they take?
He put together the best class by a nontraditional power in the history of recruiting rankings last year. No, I do not think we are giving him too much credit. How does downplaying the success he's having help us? It doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I know all about how they get the visits. The point is -- they are doing it more and/or better than anyone that isn't a "big boy" has in a bunch of years. They are under investigation. And there's not even a hint of it slowing them down right now.
I'm not trying to downplay his success. Just saying that his basic strategy, minus the cheating, isn't any better than anyone else's. The cheating is whats getting it done, not his being creative and offering kids from the mid-west.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Correct... But ultimately, it doesn't matter "how" it's getting done -- just that it is getting done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
No doubt, just trying to make sure people are looking at this from the right perspectiveQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
Sort of like the Bowling Green game? I know many MSU teams from yesteryear that fold and take that beating, a few of them coached by King Jackie.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Effort is not our guys problem. Personnel and some questionable in-game coaching is.
If you want to get mad and throw tantrums, at least get mad at the right things.
to simple its simple... Beat UK, UPig, and OM.... added to the fact we take USC, TAM, and Bama to the brink. I will be content with Mullen. Otherwise, I can here the NSYNC song playing in my head.
I have always been on the Mullen train, but we are now able to see a body of work with a larger sample size from Mullen. The most glaringly obvious fault I now have against Mullen is: WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED DROP BACK PASSERS IN MSU/MISSISIPPI HISTORY AS A 5TH YEAR SENIOR AND WE CANT BUILD AN OFFENSE TO SUIT HIM. Any GOOD coach knows how to think outside the box and tailor systems around his best players. And that's a fact Jack. Coach would you agree?
I remember Tyler Russell slicing and dicing a good South Panola team in the state championships... what happened to that kid? I think he was better then than he is now.
You do realize that we couldn't have official visitors due to the self imposed penalties don't you? This is NOT on Mullen. Bracky offered up these penalties to the NCAA and we can't have official visitors until after the UK game. Those visitors that were at our games on the sidelines all had to buy their own tickets and pay their own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
So, we can't schedule any in advance?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakePlissken
Rosey has us at one -- for March. Paul has us at zero. There is NO excuse for that at this point. Doesn't have much to do with how many we've already hosted -- but the fact that we obviously aren't recruiting on the level we have the past couple of years -- and it APPEARS to be because we don't give a shit and aren't trying.
Yes, but do you realize the image indicates that we don't have any OVs set up until March?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakePlissken