Arkansas Thoughts

4. Lemonis is a bust and will run this program in the ground in two years: Here's my take on Lemonis- He's a CEO coach. Just like Jackie Sherrill essentially. So not a bad thing- but it does mean that he relies a lot on his assistants and he's going to be only as good as his assistants. Foxhall has not impressed me that much since SEC play started. He has a lot of input in the staff and he has a traditional approach to the bullpen. But he has to start being OK pitching our better guys if we're down a run. The coaching staffs approach to the game Thursday set the tone for the series in a really bad way. Gautreau has to do better of correcting approach issues IN GAME rather than just sit around and let our guys swing once and pop out time after time and not do anything about it until later. Halter needs to sit. Gilbert should be the third baseman going forward regardless of match ups.

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agree & think this is the formula for Omaha in a few months. excellent points

One thing I give Lemonis ton of credit for is moving Foscue to 2nd which has improved our team greatly. Seems like Lemonis has 2 more big moves to make over the next month for postseason prep & I think those are Gilbert full time @ 3b and setting the sat starting pitcher (basically determine his top 7-8 arms for the weekend). Gilbert hits 2 bombs vs Bama and then gets relegated to spot duty from the bench vs ak which just seemed to screw up the whole offensive chemistry. all the confidence that Gilbert played with leading up to Ark was squashed. Yeah, I know Halter got on base vs Ark but those were anomalies. Gilbert's bat is too valuable to sit any longer and he's a better defender;. plus think Gilbert is going to play alot better w/o looking over his shoulder. And yeah, I still put blame on Halter for the opening inning vs LSU game 2 which doomed us. Thing is, Halter has 100 abs on the season hitting 260, but what's crazy is he only has 4 extra base hits. 4 with a majority of those ABs being non SEC. contrast gilbert has 50 abs with 6 extra base hits coming from spot duty mainly.

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Originally Posted by justwin

4. Lemonis is a bust and will run this program in the ground in two years: Here's my take on Lemonis- He's a CEO coach. Just like Jackie Sherrill essentially. So not a bad thing- but it does mean that he relies a lot on his assistants and he's going to be only as good as his assistants. Foxhall has not impressed me that much since SEC play started. He has a lot of input in the staff and he has a traditional approach to the bullpen. But he has to start being OK pitching our better guys if we're down a run. The coaching staffs approach to the game Thursday set the tone for the series in a really bad way. Gautreau has to do better of correcting approach issues IN GAME rather than just sit around and let our guys swing once and pop out time after time and not do anything about it until later. Halter needs to sit. Gilbert should be the third baseman going forward regardless of match ups.

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agree & think this is the formula for Omaha in a few months. excellent points

One thing I give Lemonis ton of credit for is moving Foscue to 2nd which has improved our team greatly. Seems like Lemonis has 2 more big moves to make over the next month for postseason prep & I think those are Gilbert full time @ 3b and setting the sat starting pitcher (basically determine his top 7-8 arms for the weekend). Gilbert hits 2 bombs vs Bama and then gets relegated to spot duty from the bench vs ak which just seemed to screw up the whole offensive chemistry. all the confidence that Gilbert played with leading up to Ark was squashed. Yeah, I know Halter got on base vs Ark but those were anomalies. Gilbert's bat is too valuable to sit any longer and he's a better defender;. plus think Gilbert is going to play alot better w/o looking over his shoulder. And yeah, I still put blame on Halter for the opening inning vs LSU game 2 which doomed us. Thing is, Halter has 100 abs on the season hitting 260, but what's crazy is he only has 4 extra base hits. 4 with a majority of those ABs being non SEC. contrast gilbert has 50 abs with 6 extra base hits coming from spot duty mainly.[/QUOTE]

And I think you made some good points as well. Halter is a singles hitter and his best attributes are his arm and the fact that he can bunt. Gilbert starting from here on out should be a no brainer. I think JT getting dead arm messed up the rotation a little bit and we paid for it somewhat this weekend. I expect him to get back to the Saturday spot this week. That should put Plumlee back to Sunday. The best bullpen arms we have right now are Leibelt, Barlow, (I know he sucked this weekend), and Colby. The fourth spot is up for grabs. Gordon, Keegan, and Eagan have the ability- but they need to throw strikes if they want to get in the game. Brandon Smith has done OK especially considering that he is a freshman. He's pitching like some of our seniors. And that's not a compliment. I hope we get an opportunity to see what Eric Cerentola can do in relief. He may surprise in that role.

Most of halter’s hits are from him pulling off of the ball, cueing it with the end of the bat, and dribbling it for an infield hit. He is fast, so he can beat those out. Any solid contact from him is because the pitcher missed out over the plate or inside.

It is amazing that he has gotten as far as he has. It is a shame because he is a twitchy athlete and could probably scald the ball with a good approach.

Todd, this makes me laugh "4. Lemonis is a bust and will run this program in the ground in two years:"

He isn't the first Coach to go on the road and lose to 3 games to a top 10 team. You are way to critical in year one, he hasn't had a chance to recruit "his" players and we are still a high ranked team and you are ready to get rid of him? That's a sick take for someone who loves Msu baseball. Pretty easy to be critical when we lose and wear your emotion on your sleeve.

He may or may not be the answer, but it's way to early to be calling or saying he isn't the answer. At least let this season play out.

P.S. Go read what Jake has to say about this past weekend and what he thinks will happen. Glad we have players like him.

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Originally Posted by Steakonastick

Our 2 biggest problems;

1. Our bullpen is trash.

2. We are a streaky offense. We are all or nothing.

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Our Bullpen is also streaky as hell. We don't have anyone that comes into the game and you think ok he has this.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Todd, this makes me laugh "4. Lemonis is a bust and will run this program in the ground in two years:"

He isn't the first Coach to go on the road and lose to 3 games to a top 10 team. You are way to critical in year one, he hasn't had a chance to recruit "his" players and we are still a high ranked team and you are ready to get rid of him? That's a sick take for someone who loves Msu baseball. Pretty easy to be critical when we lose and wear your emotion on your sleeve.

He may or may not be the answer, but it's way to early to be calling or saying he isn't the answer. At least let this season play out.

P.S. Go read what Jake has to say about this past weekend and what he thinks will happen. Glad we have players like him.

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Not sure he truly meant Lemonis is a bust, I think he was talking about some people saying that. Taking a team that was picked 6th in the West and having them top 10 in the country past the half way point in the SEC is not a bust. We might not make a Super but I think we have an opportunity to make noise in the post season. Right now, our bullpen and hitters have to step up. Both have show they have the talent but we have to be more consistent. The bullpen probably doesn't have the high level talent that we need to win a National Title but it is probably good enough to get us into a Super Regional especially if we host.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

Not sure he truly meant Lemonis is a bust, I think he was talking about some people saying that. Taking a team that was picked 6th in the West and having them top 10 in the country past the half way point in the SEC is not a bust. We might not make a Super but I think we have an opportunity to make noise in the post season. Right now, our bullpen and hitters have to step up. Both have show they have the talent but we have to be more consistent. The bullpen probably doesn't have the high level talent that we need to win a National Title but it is probably good enough to get us into a Super Regional especially if we host.

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Players have to make plays, they didn’t do it this past weekend for whatever reason. I don’t think Lemonis lost any game and yes good coaches or CEO’s.

Baseball is a up and down game. Way different than other sports.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Players have to make plays, they didn’t do it this past weekend for whatever reason. I don’t think Lemonis lost any game and yes good coaches or CEO’s.

Baseball is a up and down game. Way different than other sports.

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^^^^^. This.

As a long term Mississippi State fan, this series was not surprising nor am I horribly depressed about it.

(1) MSU baseball has a culture of.... we all know what. That's why we all remember 1989 and still talk about it from time to time. EPICALLY Shitting the bed, when we are Ranked #2, is more the normal thing than going to Arkansas and dominating.
(2) Maybe a National Seed is the worst possible position for us? We need to be a 2 seed in Georgia Tech and then fight our way out-of-Nashville to make Omaha.
(3) Yep
(4) Then every MSU coach we have ever had is a bust. An Elder MSU fan that I respect has said this to me, so I am not attempting to be flippant with this comment.But your right about Gilbert at 3b. Also, we gave up on game-1, if we thought we could win, then Liebelt would have pitched, not Self.
(5) Keegan has never actually performed for us, he's had good summer stints. Plumlee has never been an SEC stud, he did even worse for Cannazarro in 2017, he's a midweek star. Cole is Cole. Sometimes Rodger Clemens, sometimes Steve Bedrosian the 1991 Atlanta Brave edition

We will be at our best in the summer heat, in empty stadiums, mostly-parents in the stands, fighting through elimination games.

Against really good teams Pitching Sux, Hitting Sux and Fielding Sux and this team is losing focus at the wrong time.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

(5) Keegan has never actually performed for us, he's had good summer stints. Plumlee has never been an SEC stud, he did even worse for Cannazarro in 2017, he's a midweek star. Cole is Cole. Sometimes Rodger Clemens, sometimes Steve Bedrosian the 1991 Atlanta Brave edition
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Bedrosian wasn't on the Braves in 1991. He was actually on the Twins that season - and was 5-3 with 4.42 ERA. Bedrock came back to ATL in '93, was decent in '93-'94, then bad in his last season of '95 (and I don't think made the post-season roster).

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Bedrosian wasn't on the Braves in 1991. He was actually on the Twins that season - and was 5-3 with 4.42 ERA. Bedrock came back to ATL in '93, was decent in '93-'94, then bad in his last season of '95 (and I don't think made the post-season roster).

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Your right, he was opposition in 1991. In 95, don't think he pitched in the post season.

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Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer

Your right, he was opposition in 1991. In 95, don't think he pitched in the post season.

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That 1991 Braves bullpen was a mess though - Pena, Berenguer, Wohlers, Parrett, Mercker, Stanton, Freeman, & Jim Clancy. Seemed like a great group - but you never knew who was going to be effective and who wouldn't be. I've always thought if any one of them had actually been able to lock down the closer roll an been dominant, they might have beat the Twins. Instead Pena groved that pitch to Larkin with the bases juiced....

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Originally Posted by basedog

Todd, this makes me laugh "4. Lemonis is a bust and will run this program in the ground in two years:"

He isn't the first Coach to go on the road and lose to 3 games to a top 10 team. You are way to critical in year one, he hasn't had a chance to recruit "his" players and we are still a high ranked team and you are ready to get rid of him? That's a sick take for someone who loves Msu baseball. Pretty easy to be critical when we lose and wear your emotion on your sleeve.

He may or may not be the answer, but it's way to early to be calling or saying he isn't the answer. At least let this season play out.

P.S. Go read what Jake has to say about this past weekend and what he thinks will happen. Glad we have players like him.

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Actually I'm calling out other people saying that. I think Lemonis is good.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Actually I'm calling out other people saying that. I think Lemonis is good.

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Good, to early to tell what Lemonis will bring with recruiting, everything I've read is he is outstanding. I know one kid coming that has been committed for a while, says he loves the staff and so do others coming in this fall and next.

We need pitching badly, I think it's harder finding pitchers than hitters.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Good, to early to tell what Lemonis will bring with recruiting, everything I've read is he is outstanding. I know one kid coming that has been committed for a while, says he loves the staff and so do others coming in this fall and next.

We need pitching badly, I think it's harder finding pitchers than hitters.

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I think it's more difficult to find hitters because MLB takes the very best ones typically. But just my opinion. The staff is fine though and I think they will be fine overall. Our incoming class this fall is pitching heavy. A couple of them could crack the rotation potentially.

This team has shown it has a pair before. Many times. Idk where that went this weekend but it better show back up Tuesday and this coming weekend. Win or lose I wanna see us fight and compete.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

This team has shown it has a pair before. Many times. Idk where that went this weekend but it better show back up Tuesday and this coming weekend. Win or lose I wanna see us fight and compete.

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I agree. This team has shown many many times they've got a pair and a lot of heart. Look back to last year when we lost our coach after 3 games and a lot of fans gave up on the season. Took a lot of stones and leadership to overcome what these kids went through last year and accomplish what they did. Now we played like crap this past weekend and I know for a fact the players are embarrassed by the way they played. Let's see how they respond. I believe they're gonna turn it up.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Actually I'm calling out other people saying that. I think Lemonis is good.

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This was the first weekend where he’s made really questionable decisions. I think he’s a good coach too and we will learn a lot from him this week on his lineup decisions. We will see pretty quickly how well we bounce back this week. Was it just a an anomaly or a harbinger of things to come. At 32-9, I’m thinking us playing that poorly is more of an anomaly.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I agree. This team has shown many many times they've got a pair and a lot of heart. Look back to last year when we lost our coach after 3 games and a lot of fans gave up on the season. Took a lot of stones and leadership to overcome what these kids went through last year and accomplish what they did. Now we played like crap this past weekend and I know for a fact the players are embarrassed by the way they played. Let's see how they respond. I believe they're gonna turn it up.

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I hope you're right and i expect it. But last year was last years team. This years team hasn't proven anything yet. Which to me is part of the problem. They get told too much how hard they fight and they got stones when they haven't proven it. Well this years team has to prove it bc no one cares what last years team did bc it's last year. You never get a win this year from last years team.

I expect they are embarrassed as they should be for the steaming pile of shit they threw on the field and I expect them to use it as fuel and get their act together. Too much talent and experience not to.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

I hope you're right and i expect it. But last year was last years team. This years team hasn't proven anything yet. Which to me is part of the problem. They get told too much how hard they fight and they got stones when they haven't proven it. Well this years team has to prove it bc no one cares what last years team did bc it's last year. You never get a win this year from last years team.

I expect they are embarrassed as they should be for the steaming pile of shit they threw on the field and I expect them to use it as fuel and get their act together. Too much talent and experience not to.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

I hope you're right and i expect it. But last year was last years team. This years team hasn't proven anything yet. Which to me is part of the problem. They get told too much how hard they fight and they got stones when they haven't proven it. Well this years team has to prove it bc no one cares what last years team did bc it's last year. You never get a win this year from last years team.

I expect they are embarrassed as they should be for the steaming pile of shit they threw on the field and I expect them to use it as fuel and get their act together. Too much talent and experience not to.

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If tonight is any indication we are going to be fine. Plumlee pitched pretty damn well and the offense battled and didnt pout around after a slowish start