After we win Thursday night, we will be 4-3

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I was gonna point that out- we got skulldrug by LSU the year we played for the SEC title. And that was a 3-8 LSU team

Too many people try to discredit our record- it's nuts.

You dont see 1 damn OM fan talking about their 2009 Cotton Bowl team that was only 4-4 in the SEC. Something Mullen has done twice. OM OOC games that season? Memphis, SE La, UAB, and N. Arizona

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The 1998 MSU team that won the SEC west was not only skull drug by LSU, but the following week we followed that up with a L to Kentucky. We also lost to surprise, Oklahoma State.

1998-Mississippi State (SEC)

9/5 vs. *Vanderbilt (2-9) W 42 0
9/12 @ Memphis (2-9) W 14 6
9/19 @ Oklahoma State (5-6) L 23 42
9/26 @ *South Carolina (1-10) W 38 0
10/10 vs. *Auburn (3-8) W 38 21
10/17 vs. East Tennessee State (non-IA) W 53 6
10/24 @ *Louisiana State (4-7) L 6 41
11/7 @ *Kentucky (7-5) L 35 37
11/14 vs. *Alabama (7-5) W 26 14
11/21 vs. *Arkansas (9-3) W 22 21
11/26 @ *Mississippi (7-5) W 28 6
12/5 vs. *Tennessee (13-0) L 14 24 @ Atlanta, GA SEC Championship
1/1 vs. Texas (9-3) L 11 38 @ Dallas, TX Cotton Bowl

8-5-0

2009,10,11 it was Mullen hasn't beaten one SEC West team not named Ole Miss

2012, 13 it is Mullen hasn't beaten LSU or Bama. TAMU just came into the mix.



We've beaten LSU twice in 22 years, that problem precedes Mullen.

Now JWS and Croom beat Bama, but after Bama got rolling with Saban, they've won 3 BCS titles and played in another BCS bowl game. They've had double digit wins for 5 (soon to be 6) straight years. I just looked it up, since 2008, Alabama is 69-7 (39-5). Those five losses are:

2008 - Florida in the SEC Championship Game
2010 - At LSU, At USC, Auburn
2011 - LSU

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Originally Posted by slickdawg

2009,10,11 it was Mullen hasn't beaten one SEC West team not named Ole Miss

2012, 13 it is Mullen hasn't beaten LSU or Bama. TAMU just came into the mix.



We've beaten LSU twice in 22 years, that problem precedes Mullen.

Now JWS and Croom beat Bama, but after Bama got rolling with Saban, they've won 3 BCS titles and played in another BCS bowl game. They've had double digit wins for 5 (soon to be 6) straight years. I just looked it up, since 2008, Alabama is 69-7 (39-5). Those five losses are:

2008 - Florida in the SEC Championship Game
2010 - At LSU, At USC, Auburn
2011 - LSU

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I don't think anybody is saying we have to beat LSU. But we need to beat SOMEBODY with a pulse. Or at least be competitive with a good team

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Didn't Mullen beat one of those Cotton Bowl teams?

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Why yes he did, 41-27. The year after Croom produced 45-0.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

I agree.. It's time for Dan to win a BIG GAME...

Ole Miss, Vandy, Tenn, Auburn, and Mizzo did this past Saturday. Why can't Miss State?

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Really? Still? Why can't you grasp if all 5 of those wins are big wins, then so are the '09 Egg Bowl and '10 Florida? We won't know for certain until December, but most of Saturday's losers will end up with 8 or 9 wins, just like Mullen's big wins.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Or at least be competitive with a good team

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Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and **** the prom queen.

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Originally Posted by FlabLoser

Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and **** the prom queen.

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Well Mississippi state is the virgin of the SEC, so I guess I'm thinking a close loss to Bama would be like a blow job, because it's not looking like we will ever **** the prom queen. Ha.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I don't think anybody is saying we have to beat LSU. But we need to beat SOMEBODY with a pulse. Or at least be competitive with a good team

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I know what you are saying, and I too want us to not only be competitive but win a "big" game. There's a lot of football left to play this year, hopefully we get it done.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well Mississippi state is the virgin of the SEC, so I guess I'm thinking a close loss to Bama would be like a blow job, because it's not looking like we will ever **** the prom queen. Ha.

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We've played in the SEC Championship game. Until TAMU came along, Ole Miss was the only SEC West team not to. Even with 2 time Super Bowl MVP Eli, the couldn't make it to Atlanta. We did.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Well Mississippi state is the virgin of the SEC, so I guess I'm thinking a close loss to Bama would be like a blow job, because it's not looking like we will ever **** the prom queen. Ha.

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I would settle for a reach around from Bama at this point. **

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I would settle for a reach around from Bama at this point. **

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+1

While we have not had much luck against LSU in the last 20 years, but have against Alabama, I thought I'd see how the bears have done. They have beaten Bama twice since 1990, just as we've beaten LSU twice since 1990.

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Originally Posted by slickdawg

While we have not had much luck against LSU in the last 20 years, but have against Alabama, I thought I'd see how the bears have done. They have beaten Bama twice since 1990, just as we've beaten LSU twice since 1990.

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ThIs is going to sound lazy of me, Slick...but could you find the margin of victory that us and OM have lost to Bama and LSU in that time span? Or at least over the last 10 years?

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I would settle for a reach around from Bama at this point. **

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huh huh, he said reach around, Beavis...

if we had beaten LSU and then they lost to OM too, it would've been "they're down."

this is a hilarious debate to me. So, according to a certain segment of the fan base, we need a signature win over a great team... but when we beat big time programs they're not great anymore (UT, Florida, UGA, Arkansas, Auburn, Michigan). And when we beat bowl teams (Bowling Green, Georgia, LaTech, Florida, etc...) it doesn't count because they're not Bama or LSU.

We can and will do better, but a "bad year" and a bowl birth isn't all that bad. We're headed in the right direction.

the "Stands sheep" were castigated for accepting mediocrity. Now, mediocrity under Mullen is to be praised?

There are 3 coaches currently in the SEC who do not have a "signature SEC win" under their belt. Belima, Stoops, and Mullen. Two first year coaches and a 5th year coach. Franklin, Freeze, Sumlin, Pinkel, Malzahn, Jones, and Muschamp have all been coaching for less time (in the SEC) and have already pulled off the feat.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Really? Still? Why can't you grasp if all 5 of those wins are big wins, then so are the '09 Egg Bowl and '10 Florida? We won't know for certain until December, but most of Saturday's losers will end up with 8 or 9 wins, just like Mullen's big wins.

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I consider a BIG Win a win over a TOP 10 or Top 20 team.. Dan doesn't have one yet, does he?

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

I consider a BIG Win a win over a TOP 10 or Top 20 team.. Dan doesn't have one yet, does he?

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#22 Florida in the Swamp doesn't seem to count for some reason - something we haven't done in 40 years.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

the "Stands sheep" were castigated for accepting mediocrity. Now, mediocrity under Mullen is to be praised?

There are 3 coaches currently in the SEC who do not have a "signature SEC win" under their belt. Belima, Stoops, and Mullen. Two first year coaches and a 5th year coach. Franklin, Freeze, Sumlin, Pinkel, Malzahn, Jones, and Muschamp have all been coaching for less time (in the SEC) and have already pulled off the feat.

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who did Franklin beat?

Not a single big win in there. Also had 2 bad losses, and another loss at home to Kentucky. We should have fired Jackie for getting blown out vs LSU and losing to Kentucky at home!!!

If Vandy over UGA counts for Vandy, then MSU vs UGA counts for Dan.

If Mizzou over UF counts for Mizzou, then MSU over UF counts for Dan.

If Tenn over USC counts then Ole Miss vs MSU counts for Dan.

That's 3 Big Wins.

Ole Miss vs LSU is too early to say if it is a Fishwater big win since a 8-4 LSU team would not be a Top 20 team Therefore, not a big win.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

I consider a BIG Win a win over a TOP 10 or Top 20 team.. Dan doesn't have one yet, does he?

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Here is the deal - Dan bashers/defenders are both right and wrong.

Beating Florida in the swamp (sure they weren't great, but they weren't bad) was a signature win at the time.

Problem is that happened in 2010 with a team made up of mostly Croom players. Its 2013, its basically been two full seasons of nothing even close to be considered a signature win and now we are in year three without even the semblence of a signature win.

That is the bigger deal. People are getting caught up in whether FL was or wasn't a signature win. Even if you think it is, thats fine, the bigger issue is that the win wasn't with his players, and he hasn't had one in 2 1/2 seasons. That is the bigger issue.

He still has time - A&M is beatable and so is SC. Honestly, the only game I don't think we can win is Bama.

y'all know who else hasn't beaten Bama since Mullen's been hired:
Anyone outside the SEC,
Georgia,
Florida,
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vandy
Ole Miss
Arkansas, &
State.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

If we were 5-2 with a win over Auburn right now, there would be a lot less frustration. And Mullen lost the Auburn game, so the frustration is geared directly where it should be...at him.

Now, he has to make up for the Auburn choke by beating SC or A&M, plus win at Ark and against Ole miss. That's the only way he can make me feel any better.

And to try and make people think that we are sitting exactly where those other 4-3 teams are, is misleading to say the least.

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Exactly. There is no chance it happens but I wanted to rip my radio out of the car this morning when Mike and mike mentioned auburn vs Alabama for sec to West to end the year.

Its much more about how we lose than the simple fact of losing.

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

y'all know who else hasn't beaten Bama since Mullen's been hired:
Anyone outside the SEC,
Georgia,
Florida,
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vandy
Ole Miss
Arkansas, &
State.

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Cool. No one's talking about beating bama

As I posted earlier, Saban is 39-5 in SEC games since 2008. Florida 2008 in the SECCG, 2010 Auburn, LSU and South Carolina, LSU in 2011, that's it.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

the "Stands sheep" were castigated for accepting mediocrity. Now, mediocrity under Mullen is to be praised?

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If you want to hold football to the basketball standard- are you ready for basketball to be held to the baseball standard?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If you want to hold football to the basketball standard- are you ready for basketball to be held to the baseball standard?

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right, no real answer. Look, I'm not asking to beat Alabama or LSU. I would like to not get embarrassed by them on an annual basis. Mullen has to show us something against some middle of the road teams. 2009 and 10 he did, since then he hasn't. It's time. 2011 and 2013 Auburn, 2011 USC, 2013 Oklahoma State, 2012 Northwestern, etc, etc. It's time to do something other than beating bad teams. At the very least, let's play hard and look better in our losses. It's not too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

and we will join:

Georgia 4-3
Florida 4-3
Tenn 4-3
Vandy 4-3
Ole Miss 4-3

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Just curious, what do you project the end of the year(regular season) record will be for all those teams?

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Originally Posted by Coach34

If you want to hold football to the basketball standard- are you ready for basketball to be held to the baseball standard?

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How bout we hold them all to the same damn standard? Don't get the shit beat outta you in every big game and look like you have a damn clue. Every once in awhile win one you shouldn't. Make adjustments when necessary, don't just chew on the playcard and look completely lost.

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Originally Posted by Dawgface

Just curious, what do you project the end of the year(regular season) record will be for all those teams?

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Georgia? 8-4
Florida? 6-6
Tennessee? 6-6
Vandy? 6-6
Ole Miss? 7-5

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

OM's fan base is jacked about 4-3... ours is "woe is me" about 4-3.

we can beat SC, but it won't count as our "signature win" because then they'll just be another down team this year. If we have four wins with SC, OM, Ark, and A&M left on the schedule I'll feel pretty good about finding 2 more.

Arkansas is reeling right now and their offensive strength buts heads against our defensive strength. Good matchup for us.

Egg bowl is in Starkville and we'll be more prepared for them than we have been for any other team in CDM's tenure.

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Word from my Aggie friends is that JFF has a pretty serious shoulder issue that may mean multiple games or even the season finished. These are pretty level-headed folks. Sumlin does not speak about injuries so the lack of denial is fueling this too. So if JFF misses and we beat a team with predominantly RS Frosh and True Frosh up front then that would not count either. Beat USC? They lost their QB. Doesn't count. Hey beat Bama and it is only because every 30 years or so when Alabama is going for a third National Title we beat them dramatically. Even Felker could do that, we just did not give him a chance.

All that matters is we get the bowl game and the extra practices it affords us to develop players. I do not give a rip about how or who we beat to get there.

nt

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Originally Posted by Five-tool Poster

Cool. No one's talking about beating bama

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I do believe someone in this thread said something about not being able to beat LSU or Bama.

If we beat USCe or aTm, it's signature in my book. I don't care if they have their QBs or not...

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Originally Posted by engie

If we beat USCe or aTm, it's signature in my book. I don't care if they have their QBs or not...

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This. Our wins against Florida and UGA were against their worst teams in 10 years.

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Originally Posted by beerfarley

This. Our wins against Florida and UGA were against their worst teams in 10 years.

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Worse than zook's teams? Worse than muschamp's first year?

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Originally Posted by beerfarley

This. Our wins against Florida and UGA were against their worst teams in 10 years.

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we are 6-17 lifetime vs Georgia- and that was the first win in 40 years against them. How can it not be considered a good win?
It was 50 year since we beat Fla in Fla- how is that not a good win?

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Originally Posted by Dawgowar

All that matters is we get the bowl game and the extra practices it affords us to develop players. I do not give a rip about how or who we beat to get there.

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agreed.

I consider Mullen's signature wins to be OM 09, UF 10, UGA 10, and Michigan 10. I don't care if others feel the same way or not -- but that's what I think.

Beating USCe or ATM falls in line with those. We will not be favored in those games -- despite both teams looking very, very beatable right now. A win over either -- and my perception about Mullen changes pretty drastically.

I'll be honest -- watching ULL vs Petrino didn't do Mullen any favors in my eyes. We'll see how Arky St can do against them on the road tomorrow night...