Super Interesting Twitter Thread On Our Offense

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Because we had offensive players out as well during the year

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Who? Rankin for four games? Two of those starts were against UMass and BYU.

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

I personally think LSU made Joe scrap that offensive approach. We ran 60% of the time against but LSU finally forced us to attempt to pass and Fitz was horrific. We then decided to go back to his original offense and beat A&M and La Tech. Those games are the best the offense has looked and it looked like Fitz was finally understanding the offense.

Then Bama. I think all the media picking LSU to upset them just lit a damn fuse. Bama seemed to take it personal and I will be surprised if their defense isn't wrecking everyone the rest of the season.

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Aranda's defense schemed Fitz into making him think he needed to keep the ball.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

350 rushing yards is great. Wish we had stuck with using our RBs. Kylin had 23 carries vs auburn for 126 yards (5.48 per). Since then in 3 games, he has 20 carries for 109 yds (5.45 per). It worked vs a good sec defense, but we scrapped it... guess that's on fitz

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That running back motion offense was designed specifically for the Auburn game , and it surprised them , and their coaches could not adjust. Well it wouldn't be a surprise to LSU. However, LSU intentionally schemed their defense where Fitz would read the defense and think he should keep the ball. Aranda wanted the ball in Fitz's hands on runs.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

That running back motion offense was designed specifically for the Auburn game , and it surprised them , and their coaches could not adjust. Well it wouldn't be a surprise to LSU. However, LSU intentionally schemed their defense whee Fitz would read the defense and think he should keep the ball. Aranda wanted the ball in Fitz's hands.

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So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands

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His defense dictated to Fitz to keep the ball. JOeMo wasn't on the field at quarterback. LOL You must live on this board. I made a typo on the other post, and before I had time to edit it, you had already responded.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Three times better? Point totals? What kind of red herring is that?


If anything we've performed better against lesser defenses than Dan did last year. How quickly we forget UMass, Arkansas, and Ole Miss last year.

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Well we averaged 12 points per game vs Bama, Au, and GA last season and 3.3 this season vs KY, LSU, Bama. The top 3 defenses we faced last year vs top 3 this season. I actually under stated purposely, but your right. We are definitely in the red this season.

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Who? Rankin for four games? Two of those starts were against UMass and BYU.

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Rankin was hurt vs AU. Gray missed Bama, Dear missed the season (one of our top returning receivers), Mixon missed time but I don’t think those games or partially those games. Players were out on our defense as well. Teams have injuries and Bama’s replacement players are not exactly scrubs. Didn’t 1 or 2 of those LB’s play through the playoffs?

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

His defense dictated to Fitz to keep the ball. JOeMo wasn't on the field at quarterback. LOL You must live on this board. I made a typo on the other post, and before I had time to edit it, you had already responded.

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What was there to read? 10-14 runs were designed QB power runs.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So aranda dictated to Moorhead. Sucks when DCs can give us a look and get us to play into their hands

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That's what happens when your QB can't throw.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

What was there to read? 10-14 runs were designed QB power runs.

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I agree. I didn't like those calls either. When that was the designed play, LSU didn't need to scheme, because they had the player running the ball for us that they wanted to run it. They were not going to let our running backs win the game. So those designed plays just fit right in with their defensive plan.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's what happens when your QB can't throw.

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Yep

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Rankin was hurt vs AU. Gray missed Bama, Dear missed the season (one of our top returning receivers), Mixon missed time but I don’t think those games or partially those games. Players were out on our defense as well. Teams have injuries and Bama’s replacement players are not exactly scrubs. Didn’t 1 or 2 of those LB’s play through the playoffs?

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So mostly the wide receivers for a short stretch here and there? That's relatively healthy. I'd say losing those linebackers hurt them not only in our game- but also against Auburn and Georgia as well.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.

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This post is so accurate and makes so much sense, that a few people, on here, just won't be able to comprehend or agree to it, because it apparently doesn't mesh with their agendas.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The way I see it is this. We weren't that great against the good defenses last year. Everyone knew what our weak spots were, QB passing (especially downfield) and the receiving corps. We still have those same weaknesses. Exit the staff that was all about power running mixed in with some short, safe passes. Enter staff that is more finesse, read type running and RPO passing that places big emphasis on the downfield ball. Some tried to point out that that might not be a good mesh this year. They were blasted, by a lot of the same folks who are so upset now. Moorhead wasn't hired to run Mullen's scheme, he was hired to run his. One thing that keeps being said is that he hasn't adapted. From what I can see he has. He has simplified the reads and limited them a bit.

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Pretty much. I'm probably most disappointed in Fitz because he is a fifth year senior and IMO should be able to make decisions more quickly than he has at this point. But it is what it is.

I think some fans are upset because they think that this year is going to be our only chance to be special in their lifetime. I don't see it that way- I see us getting better recruits at QB, WR, and potentially OL while at the same time we are still recruiting defensively at a high level. We just have to match up both the offense and the defense at the same time during the same season to be special. And the offense just hasn't matched up with the defense this year.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

I agree. I didn't like those calls either. When that was the designed play, LSU didn't need to scheme, because they had the player running the ball for us that they wanted to run it. They were not going to let our running backs win the game. So those designed plays just fit right in with their defensive plan.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well we averaged 12 points per game vs Bama, Au, and GA last season and 3.3 this season vs KY, LSU, Bama. The top 3 defenses we faced last year vs top 3 this season. I actually under stated purposely, but your right. We are definitely in the red this season.

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And Bama was at home and was the most points scored against them with a QB that had been in the system for 4 years, AU - 10 point road game, GA 3 point road game. This year are ALL ROAD GAMES. KY - 7 points, LSU - 3 points and Bama - 7 points because the ref 17ed us doesn't mean Joe's offense didn't score it.

Looks like the biggest difference is one of those games are at HOME. Just from previous statistical records, you would assume with Dan Mullen that the results from road games vs top level defenses would be roughly the same unless Fitz is a Rookie NFL Starting QB.

We somehow now believe that one Bama game has changed 10 years of consistent results.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

So mostly the wide receivers for a short stretch here and there? That's relatively healthy. I'd say losing those linebackers hurt them not only in our game- but also against Auburn and Georgia as well.

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Against Bama we didn’t have our top 2 receivers. I think that is a factor

Eh...I just think Auburn and Georgia were really good. And it was the offense that let them down against Auburn more so than defense. They also held Clemson to 6 points, they were not scuba running out there. They are starters this year

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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe

And Bama was at home and was the most points scored against them with a QB that had been in the system for 4 years, AU - 10 point road game, GA 3 point road game. This year are ALL ROAD GAMES. KY - 7 points, LSU - 3 points and Bama - 7 points because the ref 17ed us doesn't mean Joe's offense didn't score it.

Looks like the biggest difference is one of those games are at HOME. Just from previous statistical records, you would assume with Dan Mullen that the results from road games vs top level defenses would be roughly the same unless Fitz is a Rookie NFL Starting QB.

We somehow now believe that one Bama game has changed 10 years of consistent results.

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Well for 10 years we have multiple home and away combinations vs SEC and ranked teams. And it’s never been this low, dissect it how ever you want, you have to go all the back to 2005 to get close to these numbers and that was still better. The absolutely biggest positive is that we have been ok to very good against weak teams. But against strong teams, no matter how good or bad we have been in the past, including last season, this year is the worst.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Moorhead said post game there were plays where Nick should have handed off but kept it. That's on Nick.

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Record building? And seeking the overall rushing record, even of running backs?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

350 rushing yards is great. Wish we had stuck with using our RBs. Kylin had 23 carries vs auburn for 126 yards (5.48 per). Since then in 3 games, he has 20 carries for 109 yds (5.45 per). It worked vs a good sec defense, but we scrapped it... guess that's on fitz

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If your scheme cant get the ball to your best players then your scheme is stupid and needs to change.


Its easy to get the ball to your RBs. Theres no excuse for it

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well for 10 years we have multiple home and away combinations vs SEC and ranked teams. And it’s never been this low, dissect it how ever you want, you have to go all the back to 2005 to get close to these numbers and that was still better. The absolutely biggest positive is that we have been ok to very good against weak teams. But against strong teams, no matter how good or bad we have been in the past, including last season, this year is the worst.

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Or we had 2 games early against a very good UK defense on the Road and a pretty good (#34 is pretty good) UF team. Everyone said it would take 4-5 games for the team to really start working in the offense. We did struggle but we also had 160 yards of penalties at UK. The penalties is part of the coaches responsibility but the truth is, Dan Mullen absolutely loses that game with those kind of penalties.

UF game at home is the head scratcher. When Mitchell dropped that pass, you felt all the air go out of the stadium. We needed someone to step up and make something happen but the team just didn't recover.

LSU is a tough one because we haven't played that bad down there in a while. Mullen only had one year that he didn't score double digits. We haven't won but we also haven't embarrassed them before like last year. If you don't think LSU had that game circled then I don't know what to tell you. When you beat someone that bad then they are ready when you come to their house.

Bama - We pretty much did exactly what we have done for the past 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Well for 10 years we have multiple home and away combinations vs SEC and ranked teams. And it’s never been this low, dissect it how ever you want, you have to go all the back to 2005 to get close to these numbers and that was still better. The absolutely biggest positive is that we have been ok to very good against weak teams. But against strong teams, no matter how good or bad we have been in the past, including last season, this year is the worst.

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That's where I think you can chalk up the impact of the change in system. The same issues we had under Mullen are exasperated during this transition because lack of comfort in the system amplified things.

Even if you just confine it to the Fitz era, you see the same things. In our losses, our RBs are shut down, our running game forced into Fitz' hands. One option is taken away. If Fitz completes passes consistently, then it still opens up his running game. When he can't, it gets us behind the sticks and then his running can be neutralized. It's no coincidence that when Fitz has a consistent game passing he puts up huge numbers running the ball as well.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That's where I think you can chalk up the impact of the change in system. The same issues we had under Mullen are exasperated during this transition because lack of comfort in the system amplified things.

Even if you just confine it to the Fitz era, you see the same things. In our losses, our RBs are shut down, our running game forced into Fitz' hands. One option is taken away. If Fitz completes passes consistently, then it still opens up his running game. When he can't, it gets us behind the sticks and then his running can be neutralized. It's no coincidence that when Fitz has a consistent game passing he puts up huge numbers running the ball as well.

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I can agree with some of that. But this trend does go further back for a comparable. Before Mullen. And to be clear I’ve said and like the post about the historically low yards per attempt, it is an extremely odd anomaly with the numbers. Either we should be more productive against all opponents, especially with the retuning starters and scoring, or we should have had a poor output vs a weak opponent as well. That really hasn’t happened either. The bad is historically bad vs at least somewhat similar top defenses. The good games is right in line or correct for a transition regression at worse

Sometimes I wonder if y?all even watched he LSU game.

A lot of the runs were Fitz with nobody in the backfield stutter stepping and then running up the middle.

There was no choice to give it to someone.

Go back and watch and you?ll see.

This blaming it on Fitz defieslogic in so many ways.

Why didn?t he do it last year?
If it?s a problem, why doesn?t Morehead change it?

Etc etc etc

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

it aint rocket surgery--when you play top defenses in SEC your offense isn't the same as vs Little Sister's of the Poor.

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Nominated for "Worst Post of the Year"! Unless that's over and probably is since Cadaver doesn't post here much anymore. He probably started a new site and has to keep it a secret from some posters...

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I can agree with some of that. But this trend does go further back for a comparable. Before Mullen. And to be clear I?ve said and like the post about the historically low yards per attempt, it is an extremely odd anomaly with the numbers. Either we should be more productive against all opponents, especially with the retuning starters and scoring, or we should have had a poor output vs a weak opponent as well. That really hasn?t happened either. The bad is historically bad vs at least somewhat similar top defenses. The good games is right in line or correct for a transition regression at worse

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I am not going to point to this as an excuse - just an observation.

Luck is something of a variable. Mitchell catches a sure TD pass, cut our 165 yards in penalties against U.K. in half probably allows at least 1 drive to creating a score of not more; a horrible call in the Bama game negating a score. We've been like the anti-2013 Auburn team in terms of random stuff impacting games.

My point being that sometimes statistical anomalies are impacted by outside forces. Over the course of a season, it should even out but occasionally they don't.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

That's where I think you can chalk up the impact of the change in system. The same issues we had under Mullen are exasperated during this transition because lack of comfort in the system amplified things.

Even if you just confine it to the Fitz era, you see the same things. In our losses, our RBs are shut down, our running game forced into Fitz' hands. One option is taken away. If Fitz completes passes consistently, then it still opens up his running game. When he can't, it gets us behind the sticks and then his running can be neutralized. It's no coincidence that when Fitz has a consistent game passing he puts up huge numbers running the ball as well.

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I disagree regarding leaving the ball in Fitz hands, he's selecting to keep the ball. It's predictable. Anytime we get near the goalline Fitz is keeping the ball regardless. He wants the TD. Anytime the running back gets into a small rhythm he keeps the ball. He feels he must get apart of the game. He's not the best decision maker. It's the same stumbling block on passing downs. Dude is an athlete that's playing the Qb position, period. He's not an athletic Qb.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Nominated for "Worst Post of the Year"! Unless that's over and probably is since Cadaver doesn't post here much anymore. He probably started a new site and has to keep it a secret from some posters...

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is there a nomination for dickhead of the year? i'm sure you would be in contention. Odds on favorite.