Look at the previous 10 years prior to him and get back to me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
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Look at the previous 10 years prior to him and get back to me.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
If you are looking for marked improvement year over year then that means National championship. That's never happening. You need to go follow Bama. Then get pissed when you don't win it but 3 out of 5 years. Fantasy land.
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Originally Posted by RezDog7
If you don?t think what Mullen did here was special, you?re a moron. Remember all those winning seasons and bowls before he got here? We?ve been garbage 95% of our history. He and Jackie were oasises in a Sahara of bad football. Get the 17 outta here with that shit.
Get outta your feelings. Mullen is a great coach. He ain’t here anymore, and that sucks, but he is a great head coach. Demanding more than he gave and bad mouthing him—given our history—makes you look like a jealous, petty **** cake.
Freshmen QBs start every single season all over the country, including the sec, and have plenty of success. If he picks up the offense and is the best passer of the group, then you start him and let him take some lumps along the way. Would much rather do that than start a repeat of fitz (if that's what key and mayden are). If we start key or mayden because shrader has never played against a sec defense, even if he's the best passer and grasps the offense, then Moorhead may not see 2020. At least if schrader shows something resembling the offense Moorhead ran at penn st, fans will start getting back on board. If we put guys out there who can't throw and we repeat the 2018 MSU offense, Moorhead will be back at Fordham before schrader touches the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
It's fair to criticize Mullen and not consider him a shitty coach. It's fair to get tired of him chasing after literally any and every P5 gig for the majority of his time at MSU too. I mean Maryland? Minnesota? Come on, gtfo with that shit. I get it if Florida comes calling or even Miami, but we are talking bottom tier big 10 schools he was flirting with that don't have a fanbase that gives a shit about college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
We've solved that problem. Moorhead won't be flirting with any school after this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Bama has broke the sec, especially the sec west. Remember how stacked the sec coaching ranks were in the late 00s and early 10s? Saban methodically tore every single one of them down. The other program that's really improved their coaching situation between them and now is uga. The rest have either decidedly regressed or are crossing their fingers the new guy ends up being as good as the old guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
I didn't say he wasn't a good coach but people on the sane board were complaining about him every year as well. He didn't want to be here so what does it matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
Lulz true, but not the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It's basically rigged to a certain extent. You have to win your conference to get in the CFPs, and there are only certain schools that can do that. It's predetermined for the most part every year. The same 10 or so schools rotate into the CFPs, and Bama usually wins. 99% of us are playing for a bowl game. It's just reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgs
Didn't seem to driven in recruiting top notch game changing players or very driven to overcome the final hurdles to put us up with the big boys as a program. Seemed quite content with staying as a 8 win type program. Also didn't seem very driven to fix the holes in his coaching staff and even joked about the importance of determining the starting kicker coming off a season in which he lost to South Alabama after missing a short field goal at the end. The more Moorhead sucks the greater Mullen becomes to some on this board recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
Mullen is a good coach not a great coach. Great coaches don't set the all-time worst record vs ranked teams in the history of college football. Looks to me like it's you that is in your feelings not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
I'd hate to see how he'd look if he wasn't such a quick study then ....Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Les Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Nope. At least one other. Daryl Royal left us for Texas and had a somewhat decent career there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I agree. This season would've been the best test (arguably Dak's Jr season) of whether or not we can truly compete to get into the playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
Which "sane" board are you talking about? I don't see much sanity on any MSU board I go to ****Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
That shithead was going to go to Tennessee before Florida called. Let that sink in. He?d of rather coached the Shitshow in Knoxville then coach his ?greatest team? he ever had here. **** him.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
A qb would solve all kinds of problems going on now.
One man.
So you think it's all on Fitz? Coaching, WRs, Oline are no part of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Usually does in football. I'll give Dan credit here. He is elite with working with QBs and getting the best out of them. Moorhead so far is 0 for 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I'll point out increased SEC revenues and the increase in the number of bowls. See below to see how relatively easy it is to get into a bowl these days. You can't compare the Kang's reign versus Mullen's because they coached in different eras.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
"To appreciate the rise to 40 bowl games, it's helpful to see the historic trend. In 1955 there were just six bowl games. Over the years, that number has steadily increased: to 11 games by 1975, 18 by 1995, 35 by the end of the Bowl Championship (BCS) era in 2013, and 40 by 2015. That's an increase in bowl games of about 567% over 60 years."
I give Mullen his props and say that he is a serviceable coach. He isn't elite. Elite coaches don't leave schools where the cupboard is stocked (as some here think of our team's talent) to take over any perceived program they think is better. They don't want to acknowledge he was headed to UT before UF called.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
This is right. Mullen raised our expectations. That?s all. It?s not like he?s the next Saban. There are many coaches out there that can win as much or more than Mullen did at State. Unfortunately, we didn?t hire one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
How many in our history won as much as Mullen? 69-46 (.600)Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
How many had ESPN money and exposure like we have now?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm confused. Did all the sec teams not have the same money and exposure bc Mullen was better than quite a few that we weren't when he arrivedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
If you think 1985 MSU is equal to 2018 MSU I can't help you.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If the money and exposure raised us, why didn't it raise the other 13 teams as much as us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Well you are belittling what he did and yeah I can compare em. And Jackie only played 7 league games too. So there's that. You don't have to like dan, he was a dickhead, but what he did with our program was successful. Hard to argue w that. Even though you want to say we regressed from year to year. Hell, you called going 6-7 to 9 wins regression so ......Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh
You act like Mullen feasted off of an easy SEC to average 7 wins a season. He didn't. He feasted off of OOC games. That's where money and exposure raised us the most. All Mullen had to do was go 2-6 in the SEC to make a bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
I think that msstate point is EVERYONE benefited. While our exposure and money went up, so did everyone else's. Which btw, is true.
Our history sucks. Your expectations are low. I want better. This ain’t it. But Mullen had reach his ceiling. A better recruiter that can coach can win more than Mullen. High school coaches in Mississippi hated Mullen. A bunch of them did. I talked to one that played at State. He personally told me that he would never allow one of his players to go to state as long as Mullen was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Mullen had a losing record in the sec 4 of his 9 years. 2-6 was his worst sec year, and he only did it once. He was .500 or better in 5 of his 9 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Did 7 make a good point today? Do I need to mark it down on my calendar ********Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Just messing with you 7.
But we only won 2 league games once in his tenure. At least 3 every other year. So that isn't what for us in bowls for the majority of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
So you expect us to be better than we've ever been, and glad we lost our most successful coach ever. Sounds reasonable. I wanna hire urban Meyer... we should expect it bc, well, that's what I wantQuote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Bookmark it bc I'm gonna lose it Saturday night when we score 6 points, againQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Give a million dollar salary to a millionaire doesn't have the same life changing effect as when you give it to the guy making minimum wage. More money and exposure doesn't help Tennessee as much as it did MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
I'll be losing it too. No, no, no ... I'm just gonna shrug my shoulders and get ready for hoops and know that my falls will be wide open for a few seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7