"Is Nick better in Practice?".... Moorhead w/o hesitation.. "Yes"

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Is he just comfortable with it or is he just trying to pad his rushing record before he graduates?

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I think Fitz actually wants what's best for the team. In the LSU game, I think Aranda forced Fitz into running more,, by adjusted his defense where the quarterback read to Fitz looked like he should keep the ball on numerous plays.

If Moorhead's career depends on starting a true freshman in Shrader next year -- who, while good, is no Trevor Lawrence or Tua -- he won't be here long.

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Originally Posted by bluelightstar

If Moorhead's career depends on starting a true freshman in Shrader next year -- who, while good, is no Trevor Lawrence or Tua -- he won't be here long.

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Moorhead isn't going anywhere. His offense is the future of most football. Even the NFL is adapting to it.

If you think that kid is not head and shoulders above others we have for this system you are not looking.

You already saw Moorhead go with Hill over an sec 1200 yard rusher that is a senior. He is not going to suddenly change and give seniority over production.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

I'm in the Moorhead rides or dies with Schrader next year group. That's his guy. He knows this kid has the tools, although raw, to successfully run his offense.

Will it make a difference? Who knows. Like I posted before: If we are still lost as ducks on offense this time next year, no matter who's QB, it will be time to move on.

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Shrader is pretty much running JoeMo's offense now with a lot of quarterback reads, in his high school offense. He also has a high football IQ. KT and Mayden will have also had more time to learn and field practice JoeMo's offense for the 2019 season. Some think that Mayden is actually a better fit for JoeMo's offense than the DM one. KT seems a better fit for the DM offense, but that doesn't mean he couldn't run this offense. Neither KT nor Mayden have mastered it yet, and they aren't going to burn Mayden's red shirt. Time will tell on how things go and who moves to the top.

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Originally Posted by Brahmabull

Fitz said in his post game interview, they do better in practice with the passing game. Then he said, but that is going against scout team and not really full speed. When you speed the game up, it changes everything.

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Why the hell do you not practice how you play?

Didnt our defense dominate our offense in early fall camp? Should Joemo have seen this coming, or is this a result of not letting Fitz get hit in practice? It is baffling that this kid is confused and we had the chance to practice against the best defense in the country for 4 weeks prior to the season. Just baffling.

I also wonder if Aranda was disguising the read man to look like he was doing one thing, but really doing another. This really wouldn't be that hard to pull off since Nick has to make such a quick decision. One slight step here or there could mislead.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Why the hell do you not practice how you play?

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Because our scout team can't simulate in practice what it's like going up against the speed and talent of a good SEC defense in a real game. Now if it's the offense not going full speed, against the scout team then that is a big problem. Our scout team is better than SFA's defense so that was no issue in that game. But that's coaching to get them prepared for an actual game day situation.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

After Fitz kept it on 3rd and goal you could read Joe's lips when Fitz was trotting back to the sideline: "Hand it off!"

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If Fitz won't run the play called, then bench him..

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

If Fitz won't run the play called, then bench him..

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This. 1000 times. Regardless of whether is selfishness or lack of understanding. I may not understand our offense fully (since nobody seems to), but he has been keeping it when the read says differently since the K State game.

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

This. 1000 times. Regardless of whether is selfishness or lack of understanding. I may not understand our offense fully (since nobody seems to), but he has been keeping it when the read says differently since the K State game.

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Aranda set and adjusted his defense so when Nick was just about ready to snap the ball his read told him to keep the ball on numerous plays. Aranda wanted the ball in Fitz's hand only and to run the ball, and he knew we weren't going to beat them trying to pass.

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Originally Posted by fishwater99

If Fitz won't run the play called, then bench him..

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You are misunderstanding that. He ran the play called. His job is to read it. Keep it or hand off based on defense. He kept it instead of handing it off. was the wrong choice.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

Holy damn. If that's true we got a big problem with our coaching staff starting with Moorhead.

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I?ll just say that this same person knew about the Cannizzaro stuff a few days before it went public as well. This person is well connected.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Take this FWIW but someone who attends practice said we practiced entirely different plays the last two weeks, than we actually ran in the game against LSU. Let that sink in. Two weeks in a pivotal game for a season and most likely a coaching career, and you get into the game and run a complete different set of plays you had practiced the entire two weeks running and implementing.

I?ll just say that the two weeks of practice before LSU, were auburn type plays with an added two QB set of plays. Anyone watching Saturday night knows we ran neither type of play.

So if you really must know, our HC is not putting our players in the best positions to win and be successful.

Eta. Hearing on Friday, that we had continued practicing the Auburn motion plays and added the 2 QB set wrinkle, I thought we would blow LSU out, because they cannot defend that. They defend what we did as well as anyone. Line up, no motion, no fakes, and LSU will eat your lunch. That?s what we did and that was the result.

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If this is true it's more evidence that Moorhead is self-sabotaging his HC career. Maybe he realized he's an introvert trying to do an extrovert's job and he's ready to check out.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

If this is true it's more evidence that Moorhead is self-sabotaging his HC career. Maybe he realized he's an introvert trying to do an extrovert's job and he's ready to check out.

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You gotta think guys on staff that are previous D1 head coaches like Hud and Jones are just shaking their heads. I'm almost to the point of believing either one them would be a better head coach than Moorhead.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I?ll just say that this same person knew about the Cannizzaro stuff a few days before it went public as well. This person is well connected.

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It?s funny you say this. I too have heard a similar story. We have a few family friends who are college coaches. Well one of these guys, who used to be a dline coach under Jackie, and was considered pretty elite in his time ? we?ll call him coach PJ. Coach PJ talked to a couple of UK asst coaches after our game with them. He said that it was the strangest thing they?d ever seen. Our offense didn?t run anything in the game that they saw on film and prepared for. And that they basically ran a base defense the entire game.

Take that however you want but it shows me there?s a whole lot of poor planning, organization and communication more than anything else.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

It?s funny you say this. I too have heard a similar story. We have a few family friends who are college coaches. Well one of these guys, who used to be a dline coach under Jackie, and was considered pretty elite in his time ? we?ll call him coach PJ. Coach PJ talked to a couple of UK asst coaches after our game with them. He said that it was the strangest thing they?d ever seen. Our offense didn?t run anything in the game that they saw on film and prepared for. And that they basically ran a base defense the entire game.

Take that however you want but it shows me there?s a whole lot of poor planning, organization and communication more than anything else.

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I think Joe may be in way over his head as a HC. Next year will certainly tell the tale.

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Originally Posted by msugolf

It?s funny you say this. I too have heard a similar story. We have a few family friends who are college coaches. Well one of these guys, who used to be a dline coach under Jackie, and was considered pretty elite in his time ? we?ll call him coach PJ. Coach PJ talked to a couple of UK asst coaches after our game with them. He said that it was the strangest thing they?d ever seen. Our offense didn?t run anything in the game that they saw on film and prepared for. And that they basically ran a base defense the entire game.

Take that however you want but it shows me there?s a whole lot of poor planning, organization and communication more than anything else.

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Stoops said post game that KY ran a simple defense, but that they did a good job of disguising what they wanted to do against us.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

You are misunderstanding that. He ran the play called. His job is to read it. Keep it or hand off based on defense. He kept it instead of handing it off. was the wrong choice.

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I can’t blame Fitz, he’s a senior, young wide receivers in a highschool offense. It must suck to be in shoes BUT all games have been winnable, sometimes it seemed nick was forever in the shotgun which wasn’t helping his dominant speed talent at all - so Fitz said what the hey, why not but we should have through all the lackluster offense been trying to work in KT and the running backs.

Or they may have wanted to pass more with Fitz, but it wasn’t the right planning obviously and to me should have just made plays for each QB to run instead of trying to put the wrong size shoe on a horse

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Originally Posted by Coach007

You may not like it... but it is what it is.

You may listen to the question at 13:19.....

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What would you expect him to say? No KT is better then Fitz in practice, but we aren't sure if it will transfer to the game field. It was a stupid question that required a comical response.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Do you really expect him to say that he has been not playing a player that has been better in practice?

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Then why not play KT? Is there some CC agenda?

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Moorhead isn't going anywhere. His offense is the future of most football. Even the NFL is adapting to it.

If you think that kid is not head and shoulders above others we have for this system you are not looking.

You already saw Moorhead go with Hill over an sec 1200 yard rusher that is a senior. He is not going to suddenly change and give seniority over production.

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Moorhead aint producing shit so idk where you get this from. If he has to have a perfect roster to win hes not a very good coach and will NEVER win here. If we lose to La Tech, Arkansas or OM he should be fired. Especially if we continue to average 9 PPG in conference play. Vandy is doing better. Croom did better. La Tech scored 21 on LSU

We're sitting here and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game KT goes out there and dies for and plays every game like it's his last, but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?

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Originally Posted by msugolf

It?s funny you say this. I too have heard a similar story. We have a few family friends who are college coaches. Well one of these guys, who used to be a dline coach under Jackie, and was considered pretty elite in his time ? we?ll call him coach PJ. Coach PJ talked to a couple of UK asst coaches after our game with them. He said that it was the strangest thing they?d ever seen. Our offense didn?t run anything in the game that they saw on film and prepared for. And that they basically ran a base defense the entire game.

Take that however you want but it shows me there?s a whole lot of poor planning, organization and communication more than anything else.

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It?s almkst as if we are running things all week I practice in hopes the word leaks out so SloMo can catch thenoplositiin off guard. Yet again the smartest guy in the room.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Gekko

We're sitting here and we're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game KT goes out there and dies for and plays every game like it's his last, but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?

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I get it, and I like it. Loved that iverson rant

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Key wont be the starter. Not this year.... not next. He will start the qb that is completing about 70% and already knows the RPO. He is going to start the kid who is already throwing the back shoulder and the deep ball. He will start the kid who can run....

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We dont have anybody like that coming in.....unless we can pay more than Dallas for Dak.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Moorhead isn't going anywhere. His offense is the future of most football. Even the NFL is adapting to it.

If you think that kid is not head and shoulders above others we have for this system you are not looking.

You already saw Moorhead go with Hill over an sec 1200 yard rusher that is a senior. He is not going to suddenly change and give seniority over production.

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No one not even state is running the Moorehead offense. RPO is just a term and not a end all be all system. All kinds of concepts can be RPO. Unfortunately ours sucks. And the main reasons are 1. We incompetent at HC. 2. We are incompetent at QB and 3. The defenses are to fast and can disguise safety?s to confuse the QB
I?ll say it again. This Joe Moorhead offense will not work here or in the SEC.

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

No one not even state is running the Moorehead offense. RPO is just a term and not a end all be all system. All kinds of concepts can be RPO. Unfortunately ours sucks. And the main reasons are 1. We incompetent at HC. 2. We are incompetent at QB and 3. The defenses are to fast and can disguise safety?s to confuse the QB
I?ll say it again. This Joe Moorhead offense will not work here or in the SEC.

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This is my problem with the RPO. A seasoned defensive coordinator can and WILL confuse a 21 year old QB 90% of the time. RPO is a good play to call in a game. Don't know if it's worthwhile to buid an entire offense around.

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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins

Do we get credit in games for competitions in practice? Does practice count on our W-L record? Do 60k people show up to watch practice?

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practices don't get W's

I think our WRs are the ones that are confused. They look bad running their routes. Remember Dak first Year at Dallas He was a Hero--why? they had the best OL and Great WRs, .. but when the OL went to shit and His quality of wideouts dropped--Dak didn't look so good. Sometimes the QB gets the blame or the praise when really it is a team deal.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I think our WRs are the ones that are confused. They look bad running their routes. Remember Dak first Year at Dallas He was a Hero--why? they had the best OL and Great WRs, .. but when the OL went to shit and His quality of wideouts dropped--Dak didn't look so good. Sometimes the QB gets the blame or the praise when really it is a team deal.

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I agree. I think Fitz has gotten "gun shy" because our OL doesn't block very well on pass protection-especially our LT. He thinks, and is probably right, that he doesn't have to time to survey the field and must get the pass off as soon as possible. To add to the problem, our W/R's seem to have a hard time getting separation, therefore, you have an inadequate passing game.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I think our WRs are the ones that are confused. They look bad running their routes. Remember Dak first Year at Dallas He was a Hero--why? they had the best OL and Great WRs, .. but when the OL went to shit and His quality of wideouts dropped--Dak didn't look so good. Sometimes the QB gets the blame or the praise when really it is a team deal.

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Matt Wyatt said this. Remember Fitz's first INT where Mitchell didn't even look for the ball? Wyatt said that was because he was running a bad route and was trying to avoid the ref. No crossing route should ever put the WR in that spot. Also we often have 2 WRs in the same spot, because they either don't know the play or are misreading their cues. I'm sure their inability to be where they should be is a contributor to Fitz panicking and forcing the ball... the few times he does read the D correctly he still has no confidence he's clear to throw, and the WR might be running the wrong route. I've watched Getsy's press conferences and he seems a bit... aloof? In his own head? Academic? IDk how to phrase it but I could imagine him stating something to the receivers and having 0 clue he didn't make it simple enough to get. Not trying to defend Moorhead or Fitz though, there's plenty of issues to go around.

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Matt Wyatt said this. Remember Fitz's first INT where Mitchell didn't even look for the ball? Wyatt said that was because he was running a bad route and was trying to avoid the ref. No crossing route should ever put the WR in that spot. Also we often have 2 WRs in the same spot, because they either don't know the play or are misreading their cues. I'm sure their inability to be where they should be is a contributor to Fitz panicking and forcing the ball... the few times he does read the D correctly he still has no confidence he's clear to throw, and the WR might be running the wrong route. I've watched Getsy's press conferences and he seems a bit... aloof? In his own head? Academic? IDk how to phrase it but I could imagine him stating something to the receivers and having 0 clue he didn't make it simple enough to get. Not trying to defend Moorhead or Fitz though, there's plenty of issues to go around.

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And on that same play our OL double teamed 2 DL, leaving one man unblocked, and Hill out of position and whiffed the block. Fitz threw it basically falling backwards/back-pedaling.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Moorhead said there's no longer a huge difference between the two. And THIS is why I've call BS on this whole "whoever practices best plays". You've got gamers and practice players. You also have guys that great in both. Don't sit guys because they're not practice players, Sincerely, Allen Iverson.

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judging practice players vs gamers is decided from watching game tapes. A prime example I witnessed in 1988-89 season. I was a student coach at Northwest MS Community College. Cortez Kennedy was a 0-3 tech on our defense. Cortez was a great player when the lights were turned on. Craig Randall was the DL coach under Rocky at the time. I called Wesley Reed and told him we had a DL they needed to offer. They sent Craig Randall to watch practice. I met coach Randall at the only motel/ restaurant in town. We had a good conversation about Cortez and I told him he wouldn't be impressed until the lights come on. I told Wesley the very same thing when I talked to him. We did not offer Cortez. coach Randall and I got into a pretty good argument about CK. I told him if he didn't want to look at game film and then evaluate him he would miss on many players. He told me, "Your not an SEC coach" and I said you are 100% correct. But, my smart asre comeback told him, "I wasn't a weather man but I knew when it was raining". Cortez went on and signed with The University of Miami. Was a 2 time all-American, Signed 4th overall in the 90 draft and played 8 out 10 years in the pro-bowl. He has since passed away but the lack of interest from MSU really concerned me at the time. But the following fall Rocky offered me the opportunity to finish my degree and be a part of MSU football. I told Rocky what Craig Randall said and he just looked at me and sorta grinned. I did get Tony Harris to come to MSU and he was a really good CB.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

I think our WRs are the ones that are confused. They look bad running their routes. Remember Dak first Year at Dallas He was a Hero--why? they had the best OL and Great WRs, .. but when the OL went to shit and His quality of wideouts dropped--Dak didn't look so good. Sometimes the QB gets the blame or the praise when really it is a team deal.

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Yep. We are running an offense that requires the QB to read safety?s and the WR routes are based on a WCO tree. Slow developing pass plays against fast DL and safety?s. Yeah. Seems like this will work.... why RPOs work for other teams. Because the ball is out fast on limited pass route trees.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

"Is Nick better in Practice?" .... Moorhead w/o hesitation.. "Yes"

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Of course he is. Because he literally cannot be any worse.

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Originally Posted by lawdawg

Of course he is. Because he literally cannot be any worse.

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....referring to which QB is better in practice not if Fitz better in practice vs games

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

And on that same play our OL double teamed 2 DL, leaving one man unblocked, and Hill out of position and whiffed the block. Fitz threw it basically falling backwards/back-pedaling.

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Folks seems to miss all that kinda stuff. You're talking of the 1st pick in LSU game ain't you? Where ball almost hit Mitchell in his earhole, but he wasn't looking?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Folks seems to miss all that kinda stuff. You're talking of the 1st pick in LSU game ain't you? Where ball almost hit Mitchell in his earhole, but he wasn't looking?

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Yep.