Lol... that should be the question. Football wise it's not even a question . Tebow was apart of 2 national title teams, Heisman winner, and ultimate team leader. He wasn't overworked in any activity or curriculum.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
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Lol... that should be the question. Football wise it's not even a question . Tebow was apart of 2 national title teams, Heisman winner, and ultimate team leader. He wasn't overworked in any activity or curriculum.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
I don't know, he's kinda deadQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
How is this 3 pages? Its not even a debate.
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Tebow was never getting stopped on 3rd or 4th and 1.
Also, Fitz sucks so astronomically bad at throwing compared to Tebow. Just look at the numbers, or if youre brave enough to stand it, go watch some film.
Fitz probably only has speed on Tebow realistically.
That NFL talent thing goes both ways. If Tebow would not have had that receiving talent, he would have had many more running attempts and his total yards would be much higher.
Since Mullen coached both, I wonder what his honest answer would be.
You think there's ever been a thread on a Florida board asking if Nicky Fitz is better than Tebow?
This thread is retarded and I have not even gone thru it nor will I.
Much better at not being a moussed-up bible-thumping douche.
Fitz >>>>> Tua!
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Originally Posted by dawgday166
Seek Help, You need it.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Luiz's Afro
Just because ya don't use mousse, or practice the religion doesn't mean one isn't a douche, ya Douche.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Luiz's Afro
Rep given!Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
So you don?t think Fitz would have better passing numbers if he had just one NFL caliber receiver around him? Multiple that by 3-4 NFL players around him that played multiple seasons and made actual impacts on NFL offenses, and you still don?t think Fitz would have better numbers. Hell Michael Henig would have been considered for all SEC teams, with the talent Florida had when Tebow was there. The ridiculous part is thinking they aren?t even comparable, when one QB had as close to an nfl roster around them as any team we have seen in Recent years. Bama usually has NFL defensive talent, but those Florida teams had NFL starters on both sides of the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Give Fitz one or two of those passing targets and he has numbers close to Tebow in the passing game. Those guys would not play multiple NFL seasons, dropping passes like our receivers have the last 3 years.
ETA. Who thinks Tebow?s passing mechanics were better than Fitz? Tebow?s shit mechanics were covered up by all of those NFL receiving targets. SMMFH at some of these comments lacking the ability to project each QB on the other team with the talent on those Florida teams vs these MSU teams.
Yes give fitz nfl receivers and his passing numbers would go up.....but as stated before then Fitz's rushing numbers go down . And the one thing Fitz has done better than tebow in.....well he wouldn't be better at that anymore
Under no circumstance would Fitz have total numbers comparable to tebow. Not even if he played on those Florida teams.
This really is an dumb thread. Very very dumb
I'll give Fitz this... He's tough as nails... and when he get beyond the LOS, he has decent speed...
But he's a taller, larger/heavier, slower, physically weaker, less accurate passing version of Jalen Hurts...
Not buying that Fitz is slower and weaker than Hurts. Everything else you said is correct though. Hurts got benched though because he couldn't stay in the pocket longer than half a second. He may have improved since then but I honestly wouldn't know because I'm not watching Bama games past the 1st quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Hurts is a power lifter/nutso gym rat.... The disparity in strength is not an arguable comparison...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
However, Fitz might be faster than Hurts beyond 50 yards... At the 40, Hurts is prolly ~.2-.3 seconds faster....
And you're def correct that Hurts has improved some and still runs way too soon... Although limited in plays, he's statistically top 10ish in passing in the country...
I'll buy Hurts is stronger due the power lifting aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Speedwise ... It would've been a good race before Fitz hurt his ankle. He had explosive speed before that. Never saw him caught from behind before this year. He seems to have lost a step and is running more cautiously now too in the open field.
I think it's comparable on the accuracy too. Hurts has had receivers like Ridley and in 2016, a mucho better Oline too. Hurts generally has always had all day to throw, hasn't had all the dropped passes, and when he completes a pass his receivers are wide-ass open. Fitz hardly ever has a receiver wide-ass open. In fact, when any Bama QB completes a pass the receivers are wide-ass open and never drop the ball either.
But of course, being a Bammer the only player than can be better than Hurts is another Bammer.
Fitz didn't cost as much to recruit and get to come to MSU either. If we spent as much on recruits as Bama, or even OM, we'd lose 50 schollies and be on probation for 10 years.
Probably wouldn't be dead if he wasn't a murderer.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
Actually, we have our own season statistics that say you are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
In 2016, with 4* Fred Ross (917 y), 4* Donald Gray (709 y), 4* Malik Dear (264), and 3* Keith Mixon (228) as our 4 top receivers being thrown to by a QB they had been working with for 2-3 years, Fitz threw for 2,423 yards and 21 TDs, and ran for his highest rushing total 1,375. That's 186 yards passing and 105 yards rushing a game. Our top 4 receivers average rank on 247 was 3.75* with an average player rating of .902.
In 2017, our WR downgraded due to graduation - and more importantly injuries to Gray, Mixon, and Dear. Our top 4 receivers were 3* Jackson (276 y), 3* Mixon (275 y in 8 games), 3* D. Thomas (263), and 4* Gray (214 y in 8 games).
Our team passing yards went down 525 yards from '16 to '17, and our QB rushing production was essentially the same - 1,430 total yards '16 (Fitz, and D Will), and 1,474 in '17 (Fitz and Key). Fitz's passing numbers dropped to 158 yards a game (11.25 games played due to injury), and his rushing yards decreased to 87.5 yards a game. Our top 4 receivers average rank on 247 was 3.25* with an average player rating of ..883. A significant drop. The receiving corps was injury riddled, personnel changed from week to week, and had virtually no in-game experience beyond our 3 injured guys.
In 2018, our top 4 receivers to date are 3* Mitchell (242 y), 4* Guidry (192), 3* Johnson (119), and 3* Thomas (103). Our top 4 receivers average rank on 247 was 3.25* with an average player rating of .864
To date, Fitz has averaged 142 yards passing a game, and 103 yards rushing. Already, our receiving corps is more productive then last year in terms of top 4 receivers - but there is only 1 carry-over player - Thomas. So, essentially Fitz is throwing to an all new receiving corps for the 2nd straight year. These 4 are lower rated than the previous 2 years - and significantly lower rated than the top 4 receivers in '16.
So far, Fitz' rushing production has bounced back to his '16 level, but the passing production is still down. Why is that? Well Fred Ross, Donald Gray, a healthy Malik Dear, and a healthy Keith Mixon were; 1)higher rated recruits; 2) Ross and Gray are #1 and #15 in school history in receiving yards respectively - meaning they were very talented as far as MSU goes; 3) all of them had worked with Fitz and had at least a full season of SEC experience on the field prior to Fitz being the starter. Gray, Mixon and Dear 1 year ('15), and Ross 3 years ('13, '14 & '15). This year's crew - Mitchell played in 5 games last year, Guidry is a JUCO transfer. Thomas and Johnson have been in the program longer - (14 games over 3 years each) and are also learning a new system.
So, while Fitz can be inconsistent, and is no Tebow passing the ball; the past 2 years have been obviously hampered by our lack of health, experience, consistency, and ability amongst our WR corps. It's right there in the stats. That lack of passing offense has also not led to Fitz or our QB's in general running more - as that production has been relatively steady thru 2+ seasons
Hopefully, over the next 2 weeks our passing game can come together and get us closer to Fitz' ceiling ('16 -2,400+ yards), and not the floor ('17 - 1,782 yards).
ETA: You could argue that I need to replace Justin Johnson in the '18 WR list, since he really is a hybrid TE/WR - but I think most of his production is coming as a WR. If swapped him for Mixon, our #5 receiver, it decreases this year's production level and slightly increases the player rating.
He is trolling saying hurts is faster and stronger. That?s less debatable than asking whether or not Fitz would see improved statistics playing with a NFL team whilst still in college. Tyler Russell would have SEC records in passing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Hurts and Fitz has essentially identical numbers in 2016 and Hurts won SEC POY because of “the talent he had around him” and their overall record duento the “talent he had around him”. Put Hurts on MSU that year with that OL and supporting cast and no one ever knows his name. That’s the difference in the two players.
But yet you joined in.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Tebow is a better baseball player too.
I did. To say it was a dumb thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
And I will probably join future dumb threads. My participation just means I like to point out stupidity.
And anyone that thinks Fitz is in the same conversation as tebow is a stupid person. I will gladly point that out
Love Fitz. He's great. He's not tebow. Anyone that thinks he is doesn't have a clue
Amen Brother!Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Numbers have nothing to do with it.
Drew Brees is not the best NFL QB ever. He's one of the best, but not "the best." He has been the most productive. Like Fitz has been the most productive rusher. His passing numbers could be better and I think he has a better arm than Tebow, but he doesn't have "it." And at QB, if you don't have "it" you're never going to be amongst the best.
lol